Socket 939 Sempron found........

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: PetNorth

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Markfw900
why don't you get one 830, and one X2 4200 and compare them ?? I am sure if you don't like the results, you can sell the 4200.. I might eve buy it, as I have several 939 motherboards...

I would, but I have programmers under me who do not wish to use AMD systems. I believe this "karma" started when the Athlon MP came about and they used Athlon MP systems to save a buck or two over Xeon systems. When I mentioned that both Intel and AMD are shortly coming out with Dual Core CPU's, eyebrows raised and I got the whole song and dance story why they don't want to use AMD. Even though they do realize how good AMD has become, the bad taste has not left their mouths yet.

Quick list of what they complained about.
Failures in the field, and hard reboots. Data corruption from these reboots.
Whether or not these Athlon MP's caused this is unknown to me becuase it was before my time at the company. So, mentioning AMD to some of these guys is like throwing holy water on a vampire. I have to stick with Intel through thick and thin here. Right now, they are pretty thin. But that will be over soon with Yonah/Merom/Conroe. Yes, I have to buy those too.

oh my god... so if their Intel system have some failure caused for any reason, they will not want more Intel system or what? pfff there is absurd and retarded people there...

Please do not use the word "retarded". It offends me. Thanks.
Intel platforms have never given them a lick of trouble. So why wouldn't they stay with Intel? There is nothing I can say to console you PetNorth. It is what it is. My company uses Intel and that won't change anytime soon. You know, I wonder if IT professionals who are also fans of AMD would intentionally sabotage Intel systems at work just to get the suits to consider going AMD. I don't doubt that this is happening somewhere by some loser zealot.

 

[PetNorth]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: PetNorth
Is there some troll epidemic here or what?

Well, at the moment Dothan has FUD like this in the top 4-6 threads in the CPU area. He only has 12 posts total. Can you say Intel employee ??? Was he asked to do this ? or paid to ? Only speculation, but he cantributed zero to any of the threads, one he started just to flame, and was shot down immediately..

nor employee, nor paid nor nothing, he is a plain and simple moron troll. period.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Dothan
Damn AMD fanatics here !!!

Tell me how Intel EE 840 chip has blown away X2 4800+ on DiVX encoding test ?

Quit telling people Intel machine unstable and too hot running. What a load of horsecrap !

Pentium EE 840 is the FASTEST DESKTOP PROCESSOR !!!

I think people here cannot afford EE 840 that is why the bad sentiments !!!

Umm, no. The AMD FX 55 or 4800+ are the fastes desktop processors currently.
What you stated above is just from blind fury that Intel is currently not top dog. Dothan.

 

[PetNorth]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: PetNorth

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Markfw900
why don't you get one 830, and one X2 4200 and compare them ?? I am sure if you don't like the results, you can sell the 4200.. I might eve buy it, as I have several 939 motherboards...

I would, but I have programmers under me who do not wish to use AMD systems. I believe this "karma" started when the Athlon MP came about and they used Athlon MP systems to save a buck or two over Xeon systems. When I mentioned that both Intel and AMD are shortly coming out with Dual Core CPU's, eyebrows raised and I got the whole song and dance story why they don't want to use AMD. Even though they do realize how good AMD has become, the bad taste has not left their mouths yet.

Quick list of what they complained about.
Failures in the field, and hard reboots. Data corruption from these reboots.
Whether or not these Athlon MP's caused this is unknown to me becuase it was before my time at the company. So, mentioning AMD to some of these guys is like throwing holy water on a vampire. I have to stick with Intel through thick and thin here. Right now, they are pretty thin. But that will be over soon with Yonah/Merom/Conroe. Yes, I have to buy those too.

oh my god... so if their Intel system have some failure caused for any reason, they will not want more Intel system or what? pfff there is absurd and retarded people there...

Please do not use the word "retarded". It offends me. Thanks.
Intel platforms have never given them a lick of trouble. So why wouldn't they stay with Intel? There is nothing I can say to console you PetNorth. It is what it is. My company uses Intel and that won't change anytime soon. You know, I wonder if IT professionals who are also fans of AMD would intentionally sabotage Intel systems at work just to get the suits to consider going AMD. I don't doubt that this is happening somewhere by some loser zealot.

Don't worry man, obviously I don't care what your company uses or not

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: PetNorth

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: PetNorth

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Markfw900
why don't you get one 830, and one X2 4200 and compare them ?? I am sure if you don't like the results, you can sell the 4200.. I might eve buy it, as I have several 939 motherboards...

I would, but I have programmers under me who do not wish to use AMD systems. I believe this "karma" started when the Athlon MP came about and they used Athlon MP systems to save a buck or two over Xeon systems. When I mentioned that both Intel and AMD are shortly coming out with Dual Core CPU's, eyebrows raised and I got the whole song and dance story why they don't want to use AMD. Even though they do realize how good AMD has become, the bad taste has not left their mouths yet.

Quick list of what they complained about.
Failures in the field, and hard reboots. Data corruption from these reboots.
Whether or not these Athlon MP's caused this is unknown to me becuase it was before my time at the company. So, mentioning AMD to some of these guys is like throwing holy water on a vampire. I have to stick with Intel through thick and thin here. Right now, they are pretty thin. But that will be over soon with Yonah/Merom/Conroe. Yes, I have to buy those too.

oh my god... so if their Intel system have some failure caused for any reason, they will not want more Intel system or what? pfff there is absurd and retarded people there...

Please do not use the word "retarded". It offends me. Thanks.
Intel platforms have never given them a lick of trouble. So why wouldn't they stay with Intel? There is nothing I can say to console you PetNorth. It is what it is. My company uses Intel and that won't change anytime soon. You know, I wonder if IT professionals who are also fans of AMD would intentionally sabotage Intel systems at work just to get the suits to consider going AMD. I don't doubt that this is happening somewhere by some loser zealot.

Don't worry man, obviously I don't care what your company uses or not

Well, that's a good thing because I'd be concerned if you did.

 

[Markfw]

keysplayr2003 : In regard to your comment about your company preferences, some of the top-tier management at my comany (120,000 employees) WANTS new Opteron servers, but the management above them (non-technical) want to stay with Intel due to marketing and the usual "well they have been fine, so why ?". I can understand your frustration like mine. And it makes all of ours jobs more painful, and takes money out of MY pocket (they are more exspensive, use more power ($) and more AC to cool them)

 

[porkster]

Originally posted by: GamingphreekOf course the Voltage (dont know hwo amps cn be in spec) is in spec. However the Pentium chips consume MUCH more power than the athlons. A Single Core PD at idle consumes more than a Dual Core Athlon at load.

The heat difference between the X2 and and Intel was about 10c. The overall power use of the systems where equal if not the AMD was using more power at the power point over the Intel system.

The Intel is hotter a CPU due to the technology used in the silicon. AMD are using older recipes to make the silicon. The reason why the AMD X2's require a faster fan and are mostlikely less over clockable. The Intel silicon can handle higher heat and frequencies.

.

 

[porkster]

Originally posted by: Vee

http://www6.tomshardware.com/column/20040218/index.html

Great link, thanks.

THG makes no effort to sum up or display the total amount of work performed!
Despite that this would have been the really interesting data. Knowing quite well that Intel would have been totally outclassed.

Unless the data was fraudulent then the on going results from the test showed the Intel was the far better chip.

DivX comparison makes the result look much better for Intel. Like: "win some, loose some" or "AMD must have some issues with multitasking".

You're clutching at straws. It doesn't matter what was being multitasked, as long as the cpu's were max'ed out.

If THG were so Intel loyal then why did they reveal so many botch ups to get the Intel system setup properly? Why wont THG continue the test to show that Intel's 840EE is a great CPU for those that need the power?

.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: porkster

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Of course the Voltage (dont know hwo amps cn be in spec) is in spec. However the Pentium chips consume MUCH more power than the athlons. A Single Core PD at idle consumes more than a Dual Core Athlon at load.

The heat difference between the X2 and and Intel was about 10c. The overall power use of the systems where equal if not the AMD was using more power at the power point over the Intel system.

The Intel is hotter a CPU due to the technology used in the silicon. AMD are using older recipes to make the silicon. The reason why the AMD X2's require a faster fan and are mostlikely less over clockable. The Intel silicon can handle higher heat and frequencies.

.

Your stupidity must grow with every post you make.

You have ABSOLUTELY no idea what you are talking about. Look just do everyone a favour and hit the logout button and dont come back.

-Kevin

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: porkster

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Of course the Voltage (dont know hwo amps cn be in spec) is in spec. However the Pentium chips consume MUCH more power than the athlons. A Single Core PD at idle consumes more than a Dual Core Athlon at load.

The heat difference between the X2 and and Intel was about 10c. The overall power use of the systems where equal if not the AMD was using more power at the power point over the Intel system.

The Intel is hotter a CPU due to the technology used in the silicon. AMD are using older recipes to make the silicon. The reason why the AMD X2's require a faster fan and are mostlikely less over clockable. The Intel silicon can handle higher heat and frequencies.

.

Your stupidity must grow with every post you make.

You have ABSOLUTELY no idea what you are talking about. Look just do everyone a favour and hit the logout button and dont come back.

-Kevin

Seriously porkster, you have no idea what you're talking about. Maybe you can fake your PC knowledge around your friends, but you ain't gonna do it here.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: PetNorth

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Markfw900
why don't you get one 830, and one X2 4200 and compare them ?? I am sure if you don't like the results, you can sell the 4200.. I might eve buy it, as I have several 939 motherboards...

I would, but I have programmers under me who do not wish to use AMD systems. I believe this "karma" started when the Athlon MP came about and they used Athlon MP systems to save a buck or two over Xeon systems. When I mentioned that both Intel and AMD are shortly coming out with Dual Core CPU's, eyebrows raised and I got the whole song and dance story why they don't want to use AMD. Even though they do realize how good AMD has become, the bad taste has not left their mouths yet.

Quick list of what they complained about.
Failures in the field, and hard reboots. Data corruption from these reboots.
Whether or not these Athlon MP's caused this is unknown to me becuase it was before my time at the company. So, mentioning AMD to some of these guys is like throwing holy water on a vampire. I have to stick with Intel through thick and thin here. Right now, they are pretty thin. But that will be over soon with Yonah/Merom/Conroe. Yes, I have to buy those too.

oh my god... so if their Intel system have some failure caused for any reason, they will not want more Intel system or what? pfff there is absurd and retarded people there...

Please do not use the word "retarded". It offends me. Thanks.
Intel platforms have never given them a lick of trouble. So why wouldn't they stay with Intel? There is nothing I can say to console you PetNorth. It is what it is. My company uses Intel and that won't change anytime soon. You know, I wonder if IT professionals who are also fans of AMD would intentionally sabotage Intel systems at work just to get the suits to consider going AMD. I don't doubt that this is happening somewhere by some loser zealot.

Man, that's fvcking retarded.

 

[porkster]

Originally posted by: GamingphreekYour stupidity must grow with every post you make.

Reframe from making personal attacks.

If you were moniotring the THG tests, you would have noticed the AMD systems total wattage when the intel systems was turned off. The AMD was burning over 345watts, when both systems where on the wattage was around 660watts.

Yes the AMD may have a CPU that uses lower wattage but the mothboards that drive them seem to use more. The overall AMD X2 system was using more power at-the-wall than the Intel.

You can examine the discussion at THG forums to see talk about this power use topic. So stop saying the AMD systems are better on power, as it's misleading.

.

 

[Nanobaud]

Originally posted by: PetNorth
Is there some troll epidemic here or what?

Of course, it's an invitation to a troll festival, where would you expect them to be. It was established early-on that nothing useful could be or ever would be learned from this demonstration, yet there are 500+ posts of folks predominantly claiming that the tests support or will eventually support their hypothesis that... , so it would be more unusual to see someone here who wasn't trolling and furthermore...

hmmm, where did that bridge over my head come from???

Bye now.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: porkster

Originally posted by: GamingphreekYour stupidity must grow with every post you make.

Reframe from making personal attacks.

If you were moniotring the THG tests, you would have noticed the AMD systems total wattage when the intel systems was turned off. The AMD was burning over 345watts, when both systems where on the wattage was around 660watts.

Yes the AMD may have a CPU that uses lower wattage but the mothboards that drive them seem to use more. The overall AMD X2 system was using more power at-the-wall than the Intel.

You can examine the discussion at THG forums to see talk about this power use topic. So stop saying the AMD systems are better on power, as it's misleading.

.

Here, right from tomshardware guide, the Intel takes 315 watts under load, and the X2 4800 takes 185

So we are not spewing FUD, you troll !!!!!

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: porkster

Originally posted by: GamingphreekYour stupidity must grow with every post you make.

Reframe from making personal attacks.

If you were moniotring the THG tests, you would have noticed the AMD systems total wattage when the intel systems was turned off. The AMD was burning over 345watts, when both systems where on the wattage was around 660watts.

Yes the AMD may have a CPU that uses lower wattage but the mothboards that drive them seem to use more. The overall AMD X2 system was using more power at-the-wall than the Intel.

You can examine the discussion at THG forums to see talk about this power use topic. So stop saying the AMD systems are better on power, as it's misleading.

.

Wasn't the AMD system running sli though while the P4 wasn't?
BTW, who's ever been concerned with how much power the system takes, I thought they were concerned with how much heat it output? The two are usually related but it doesn't have to be a 100% relation, more power drawn with less heat output just means it's making more efficient use of the power.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: porkster

Originally posted by: GamingphreekYour stupidity must grow with every post you make.

Reframe from making personal attacks.

If you were moniotring the THG tests, you would have noticed the AMD systems total wattage when the intel systems was turned off. The AMD was burning over 345watts, when both systems where on the wattage was around 660watts.

Yes the AMD may have a CPU that uses lower wattage but the mothboards that drive them seem to use more. The overall AMD X2 system was using more power at-the-wall than the Intel.

You can examine the discussion at THG forums to see talk about this power use topic. So stop saying the AMD systems are better on power, as it's misleading.

.

Here, right from tomshardware guide, the Intel takes 315 watts under load, and the X2 4800 takes 185

So we are not spewing FUD, you troll !!!!!

What is interesting to note is that the Intel system was NEVER off. It had either crashed or rebooted, and was simply IDLE until the apps could be restarted. Idle comps continue to draw power.

 

[Duvie]

The machine was off obviously when the last fixed the power supply and HSF was changed out....That is a fact...other restarts where quick but one time after a restart the cpu usage was idle for I think 6-8 hours I think.....I think it happened at night and Toms lab was empty to fix the problem and make sure the apps restarted....



I see that until guys like Porkster and Dothan are gone this thread which had been doing fine without him will turn into a flame fest....


Porkster and Dothan...i have explained multiple times why the Divx results are as they are so either learn to read or stay the heck out....I will have you removed if I have to, so respond to my responses are move on. You add nothing to this thread but to spew same response evry day with your normal FUD...tell your employer Intel you wont do this type of campaign anymore..LOL!!!



Guys like Mark are perfectly in their right to talk about platform stability when the test itself was labelled a stability test...Sorry the beginnig of this test (1st round and 2nd rouind) did not go as you would have liked to seen it....BUt Oh well!!! fact is fact...Dual core is hotter by 13c on average. The fan now is as fast if not louder then the amd fan due to diameter....It uses much more power but this isn't a shock considering it has been well documented by many sites...look beyond the white sheet spec numbers of Intel, man....Also had Toms did this test with a 480watt power supply we could have seen what the minimum size intel users are going to need with this beast....850 watt power supplies dont tell us much....Intel Dual core has serious immaturity issues with SLI, and most of the NF boards...power caps are also an issue with some of the boards it appears....Fact is also the Intel system has rebooted at least 8 times with 2 major shutdowns to completely change out parts....Those are facts...argue them....

 

[imported_Opteron]

I hate to say this but Porkster has a point, AMD did consume ~340 watts when Intel was off.
But it was using SLI at the time, and when Intel was on their total power drained was over 800 watts.
(no need to start explaining that the power meter was broken since it wasn't).

I have screen of that ~340w, but i won't share it because that troll is going to use it for spreading crap.
'he' would try to claim that the ~340 watts is without SLI..

Abou XE840 being fastest desktop CPU.
That THG test scenario is the ONLY way to make XE to look faster..
I don't understand why Intel fanboys are so blind to this fact ?
Maybe they are desperate ?
Perhaps they are Intel shareholders ?

ps. Porkster knows his stuff

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: PetNorth

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Markfw900
why don't you get one 830, and one X2 4200 and compare them ?? I am sure if you don't like the results, you can sell the 4200.. I might eve buy it, as I have several 939 motherboards...

I would, but I have programmers under me who do not wish to use AMD systems. I believe this "karma" started when the Athlon MP came about and they used Athlon MP systems to save a buck or two over Xeon systems. When I mentioned that both Intel and AMD are shortly coming out with Dual Core CPU's, eyebrows raised and I got the whole song and dance story why they don't want to use AMD. Even though they do realize how good AMD has become, the bad taste has not left their mouths yet.

Quick list of what they complained about.
Failures in the field, and hard reboots. Data corruption from these reboots.
Whether or not these Athlon MP's caused this is unknown to me becuase it was before my time at the company. So, mentioning AMD to some of these guys is like throwing holy water on a vampire. I have to stick with Intel through thick and thin here. Right now, they are pretty thin. But that will be over soon with Yonah/Merom/Conroe. Yes, I have to buy those too.

oh my god... so if their Intel system have some failure caused for any reason, they will not want more Intel system or what? pfff there is absurd and retarded people there...

Please do not use the word "retarded". It offends me. Thanks.
Intel platforms have never given them a lick of trouble. So why wouldn't they stay with Intel? There is nothing I can say to console you PetNorth. It is what it is. My company uses Intel and that won't change anytime soon. You know, I wonder if IT professionals who are also fans of AMD would intentionally sabotage Intel systems at work just to get the suits to consider going AMD. I don't doubt that this is happening somewhere by some loser zealot.

Man, that's fvcking retarded.

No Jack, my neice is.

 

[Duvie]

I have been tracking numbers for a day now with sleep time and I will do it a bit longer today..Some interesting things occur in apps speeding up and slowing down....overall the test #2 and #3 still move further to AMD and the test #1 and #4 move further to Intel...none are ties...I do not look at total numbers but delta change in numbers between given times....

I think a culprit may be here we have not looked at...read Toms main pages...he uses some app called the THG thread managemanet ot assignment...I would like to take a look at that app...

What I find odd is he says the average user will not mess with thread priorities to speed up certain apps (IE like Divx)...Yet he thinks the average user is going to use his proprietary app??? NOt likely moron...i would like to see someone get that and disects its code.....He should not be messiing with anything, period...leave the OS at stock as well to either show its efficiency for one cpu or the OSes overall deficiency....

I am starting to see more and more why noone can reproduce his test...usually in scientific test one sets parameters that can be followed....

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: PetNorth

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Markfw900
why don't you get one 830, and one X2 4200 and compare them ?? I am sure if you don't like the results, you can sell the 4200.. I might eve buy it, as I have several 939 motherboards...

I would, but I have programmers under me who do not wish to use AMD systems. I believe this "karma" started when the Athlon MP came about and they used Athlon MP systems to save a buck or two over Xeon systems. When I mentioned that both Intel and AMD are shortly coming out with Dual Core CPU's, eyebrows raised and I got the whole song and dance story why they don't want to use AMD. Even though they do realize how good AMD has become, the bad taste has not left their mouths yet.

Quick list of what they complained about.
Failures in the field, and hard reboots. Data corruption from these reboots.
Whether or not these Athlon MP's caused this is unknown to me becuase it was before my time at the company. So, mentioning AMD to some of these guys is like throwing holy water on a vampire. I have to stick with Intel through thick and thin here. Right now, they are pretty thin. But that will be over soon with Yonah/Merom/Conroe. Yes, I have to buy those too.

oh my god... so if their Intel system have some failure caused for any reason, they will not want more Intel system or what? pfff there is absurd and retarded people there...

Please do not use the word "retarded". It offends me. Thanks.
Intel platforms have never given them a lick of trouble. So why wouldn't they stay with Intel? There is nothing I can say to console you PetNorth. It is what it is. My company uses Intel and that won't change anytime soon. You know, I wonder if IT professionals who are also fans of AMD would intentionally sabotage Intel systems at work just to get the suits to consider going AMD. I don't doubt that this is happening somewhere by some loser zealot.

Man, that's fvcking retarded.

No Jack, my neice is.

Sorry to here that.....I will try to refrain form using it as well....Can I use Moron to explain Porkster???

 

[MDme]

Duvie, I may be wrong, but I don't think THG is using their "THG thread assignment tool".

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20050603/stresstest-02.html

 

[Continuity27]

Duvie, you're a genius!

About the THG task application... that does indeed some very peculiar, why would one need that through the course of testing?

 

[Duvie]

I see how I may have misinterpreted that...It seems odd if you sit and look at all this data i have that while for 6 hours the winrar will be even all of a sudden, Divx falls to almost nothing being done, and gaming and CDs hold the same....Then all of a sudden winrar falls back to AMD gaining big and gaming jumps to 36fps and CDs hold the same and Divx takes off again....Then CDs slow, Divx still going and gaming takes off a bit along with better then average winrar performance....

Is it that the HT scheduler (which I know doesn't work with the normal priority thread settings from my testing awhile back) is just that random??? Where I and others have questioned it is that it appears to have AI and moves resources to areas AMD is way ahead at the time....In the end all the jumping back and forth isn't changing a thing...24 hours later there is still positive growth in 2 out of the 4 test as it always has been..nothing has changed from the uptime in between the INtel stability and the latest round of uptime for the INtel chip....

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Continuity27
Duvie, you're a genius!

About the THG task application... that does indeed some very peculiar, why would one need that through the course of testing?

he may not be using it but instead linking for ppl "who do want to mess with it".....I am not 100% certain.....

No accolades please, I have not figured out anything really in this goofy arse review chalk full of bumbling idiots....