Socket 939 Sempron found........

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Opteron

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Opteron

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Which is why I think a single Pentium D840EE with HT would be better suited for database/application servers than a single DC opteron or X2.

ROFLMAO !!
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2397&p=10

So you really believe that 100% cpu usage tells us something about server performance ?
Server WILL loose it's performance if CPU use is 100%, so testing how it does at 100% is meaningless crap.
100% usage won't even tell us how server performs when it is overloaded.
You see, all the applications in THG test are running at their own pace, not like in servers, since servers work at the pace of requests made.

So test with 80-90% CPU usage is the way how servers are tested, and AMD64 systems are winners at everything.

PDF from HP -> http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/servers/benchmarks/dl145-webbench.pdf

No offense man, but if your member name wasn't named after an opteron processor, I might have given you a second thought. I was actually talking about the number of threads that could be handled and not sheer performance of a single thread.

So my name means that Intel is better at handling threads ?

For the 1000th time, it's OS job to handle tasks.
Also server applications do have more threads than those apps at THG have.

For only 11 posts, your doing a real good job of acting stupid. You know what I mean. If you don't, your loss. And for the 1000th time, regardless of the OS, A singe Pentium D with HT can handle four threads at once. X2 can only handle two. be it shittux or winblows or other. But your obviously a biased opteron/AMD fan so why am I even talking to you logically talk to you.? Dunno. Done.

 

[Duvie]

Is this Dothans alter ego??? What is it with these newbies naming themselves after the processors???

 

[Markfw]

keysplayr2003: I don't think you get it. If the thread priority was set the same on 4 threads on each processor (manually) we are gueesing that they would be much closer in ALL the 4 threads. Right now AMD wins some, and Intel wins some, due to the nature of HT and thread priority. If somebody would test that way it would be interesting...

 

[imported_Opteron]

Originally posted by: Duvie
Is this Dothans alter ego??? What is it with these newbies naming themselves after the processors???

Registering requires a name, so i picked one.
Does that make me a newbie ?

 

[imported_Opteron]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

For only 11 posts, your doing a real good job of acting stupid. You know what I mean. If you don't, your loss. And for the 1000th time, regardless of the OS, A singe Pentium D with HT can handle four threads at once. X2 can only handle two. be it shittux or winblows or other. But your obviously a biased opteron/AMD fan so why am I even talking to you logically talk to you.? Dunno. Done.

I have shown you several times that you are wrong.
Your responce: "omg ! his name is same as amd cpu name !! he is fanboy !!"

If im stupid, how i managed to explain that THG's test has nothing to do with good server cpu ?
Or are you one of those that understand only if it's told 10 times ?

You do know that everything i have said is true.
Or do you know ?

No you don't, since you don't know the difference between thread and application.


edit: How the hell anyone can be a fan of bigcorp ?

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Opteron

Originally posted by: Duvie
Is this Dothans alter ego??? What is it with these newbies naming themselves after the processors???

Registering requires a name, so i picked one.
Does that make me a newbie ?

Newbie doesn't mean stupid and unknowing...Is that right for you??? Just meant to say NEW to here....

 

[dug777]

touchy n00bs

 

[IntelUser2000]

No people, I believe Tomshardware is NOT Intel biased. The problem with Tomshardware is whether testing AMD, Intel, or Via systems, they have no clue what the hell they are talking about.

I heard from other sites that Toms screw the results up in the stress test, one minute it says Intel had 3 reboots, AMD had 1 reboot, and the next minute they say Intel had 1 reboot, and AMD had 3 reboots.

How can you have 3 reboots in such a short time? I have no clue!!! It just means the site is screwed up.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: IntelUser2000
No people, I believe Tomshardware is NOT Intel biased. The problem with Tomshardware is whether testing AMD, Intel, or Via systems, they have no clue what the hell they are talking about.

I heard from other sites that Toms screw the results up in the stress test, one minute it says Intel had 3 reboots, AMD had 1 reboot, and the next minute they say Intel had 1 reboot, and AMD had 3 reboots.

How can you have 3 reboots in such a short time? I have no clue!!! It just means the site is screwed up.

Welcome back Intelc4004. Or are you someones second account?

-Kevin

 

[classy]

No matter how you look at it AMD is in the driver seat, has been in the driver seat, and it doesn't look they will be out of the driver seat any time soon. The X2 is very impressive and anyone who thinks its not is really being foolish.

 

[imported_Opteron]

Originally posted by: IntelUser2000
No people, I believe Tomshardware is NOT Intel biased. The problem with Tomshardware is whether testing AMD, Intel, or Via systems, they have no clue what the hell they are talking about.

I heard from other sites that Toms screw the results up in the stress test, one minute it says Intel had 3 reboots, AMD had 1 reboot, and the next minute they say Intel had 1 reboot, and AMD had 3 reboots.

How can you have 3 reboots in such a short time? I have no clue!!! It just means the site is screwed up.

They do make an awful lot of mistakes..

But that AMD had 3 reboots is mistake made by some one else..

Maybe your browser mixed context ? Or it has buggy CSS support ? Or maybe THG server fooked for a moment ?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Opteron

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

For only 11 posts, your doing a real good job of acting stupid. You know what I mean. If you don't, your loss. And for the 1000th time, regardless of the OS, A singe Pentium D with HT can handle four threads at once. X2 can only handle two. be it shittux or winblows or other. But your obviously a biased opteron/AMD fan so why am I even talking to you logically talk to you.? Dunno. Done.

I have shown you several times that you are wrong.
Your responce: "omg ! his name is same as amd cpu name !! he is fanboy !!"

So this is what I said huh? Check your glasses or change your contacts brudda.

How i have managed to explain that, THG test has nothing to do with good server cpu, if im stupid ?
This sentence makes no sense. Rephrase please.

Or are you one of those that understand only if it's told 10 times ?
What you probably cannot fathom here, is that some people will get what they want or need from the results of this (whatever kind of test it is) test. You get what you want or need, and I'll do the same for myself. How's that sound? When I look at this test and determine for myself whichever chip can be a good application server CPU or database CPU, that's my business isn't it.
And yes, the required registration name you chose will undoubtedly make you look like a biased fanboy no matter how helpful or correct you are. First thing people see in here is your avatar, then your name. Since you have so few posts, I suggest you change your name to something a little less flammable. If you don't care, then by all means do as you wish.

You do know that everything i have said is true. Do you always believe everything your told?
Or do you know ?

No you don't, since you don't know the difference between thread and application. Do I really need to?


edit: How the hell anyone can be a fan of bigcorp ?

I don't know OPTERON, why don't you tell me....

 

[Markfw]

keysplayr2003, did you read any of my replies either ? Please re-read what I said on multiple threads, and reply.. I don't want to double-post...Opteron has serveral good points, and iggnore his name....

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
keysplayr2003, did you read any of my replies either ? Please re-read what I said on multiple threads, and reply.. I don't want to double-post...Opteron has serveral good points, and iggnore his name....

Yes, I read your replies. You and opteron both have good points. Anyhow, I think I'm just going to pick up 2 830's and 2 955X boards and a couple of gigs of DDR2 come Monday. I have a budget for testing new platforms when they emerge so I might as well use it. You guys please continue your dialogue. I'm just going to watch silently.

 

[Markfw]

why don't you get one 830, and one X2 4200 and compare them ?? I am sure if you don't like the results, you can sell the 4200.. I might eve buy it, as I have several 939 motherboards...

 

[porkster]

Originally posted by: Markfw9001) Intel draws a lot of power and the current motherboards have a hard time supporting that.
2) Adding SLI to the equation makes it totally unstable with ANY current motherboard.
3) The Intel puts out much more heat and requires much more cooling.
4) The performance using the 4 threads of the type choosen by THG is at best debatable as to which wins.

Very questionable.

1. THG didn't setup the system correctly causing hardware failure.
2. The test system still isn't proper as the cases don't have air channeling over the CPU.
3. If the voltage and amps are within specification for the CPU and the motherboard, then what's the issue?

.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
why don't you get one 830, and one X2 4200 and compare them ?? I am sure if you don't like the results, you can sell the 4200.. I might eve buy it, as I have several 939 motherboards...

I would, but I have programmers under me who do not wish to use AMD systems. I believe this "karma" started when the Athlon MP came about and they used Athlon MP systems to save a buck or two over Xeon systems. When I mentioned that both Intel and AMD are shortly coming out with Dual Core CPU's, eyebrows raised and I got the whole song and dance story why they don't want to use AMD. Even though they do realize how good AMD has become, the bad taste has not left their mouths yet.

Quick list of what they complained about.
Failures in the field, and hard reboots. Data corruption from these reboots.
Whether or not these Athlon MP's caused this is unknown to me becuase it was before my time at the company. So, mentioning AMD to some of these guys is like throwing holy water on a vampire. I have to stick with Intel through thick and thin here. Right now, they are pretty thin. But that will be over soon with Yonah/Merom/Conroe. Yes, I have to buy those too.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: porkster

Originally posted by: Markfw9001) Intel draws a lot of power and the current motherboards have a hard time supporting that.
2) Adding SLI to the equation makes it totally unstable with ANY current motherboard.
3) The Intel puts out much more heat and requires much more cooling.
4) The performance using the 4 threads of the type choosen by THG is at best debatable as to which wins.

Very questionable.

1. THG didn't setup the system correctly causing hardware failure.
2. The test system still isn't proper as the cases don't have air channeling over the CPU.
3. If the voltage and amps are within specification for the CPU and the motherboard, then what's the issue?

.

If indeed they did set it up that incorrectly what does that have to do with the heat and power consumption?

Of course the Voltage (dont know hwo amps cn be in spec) is in spec. However the Pentium chips consume MUCH more power than the athlons. A Single Core PD at idle consumes more than a Dual Core Athlon at load.

Those reasons are just excuses, with no basis whatsoever.

Please cite where each of those is located on THG.

-Kevin

 

[PetNorth]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Markfw900
why don't you get one 830, and one X2 4200 and compare them ?? I am sure if you don't like the results, you can sell the 4200.. I might eve buy it, as I have several 939 motherboards...

I would, but I have programmers under me who do not wish to use AMD systems. I believe this "karma" started when the Athlon MP came about and they used Athlon MP systems to save a buck or two over Xeon systems. When I mentioned that both Intel and AMD are shortly coming out with Dual Core CPU's, eyebrows raised and I got the whole song and dance story why they don't want to use AMD. Even though they do realize how good AMD has become, the bad taste has not left their mouths yet.

Quick list of what they complained about.
Failures in the field, and hard reboots. Data corruption from these reboots.
Whether or not these Athlon MP's caused this is unknown to me becuase it was before my time at the company. So, mentioning AMD to some of these guys is like throwing holy water on a vampire. I have to stick with Intel through thick and thin here. Right now, they are pretty thin. But that will be over soon with Yonah/Merom/Conroe. Yes, I have to buy those too.

oh my god... so if their Intel system have some failure caused for any reason, they will not want more Intel system or what? pfff there is absurd and retarded people there...

 

[Vee]

Originally posted by: IntelUser2000
No people, I believe Tomshardware is NOT Intel biased.

It should be quite obvious, alone from the benchmarks they prefer for various comparisons.
But since you're in doubt, check out this rant, slipped by Tomshardware's general manager.

http://www6.tomshardware.com/column/20040218/index.html

I have no real wish to involve myself in this thread. But it should be obvious that THG have made a very real intentional effort to slant this test in Intel's direction.
Many have already commented upon how the Windows sheduler has been involved. However, I'm not sure the consequences have been understood or fully illuminated in this thread. My apologies if the following observation has already been made in this thread (there are 543 posts in this thread sofar):

THG makes no effort to sum up or display the total amount of work performed!
Despite that this would have been the really interesting data. Knowing quite well that Intel would have been totally outclassed.

Instead they're burning up X2 4800+ cpu cycles by imposing a constant load to run Far Cry framerates. Framerate is then only accounted for as an instantenous value. We have no kind of sum here representing the total amount of work for the duration.

We also have no idea how much of the total amount of work performed, is represented by DivX or FarCry. But the isolated DivX comparison makes the result look much better for Intel. Like: "win some, loose some" or "AMD must have some issues with multitasking".

 

[Dothan]

Damn AMD fanatics here !!!

Tell me how Intel EE 840 chip has blown away X2 4800+ on DiVX encoding test ?

Quit telling people Intel machine unstable and too hot running. What a load of horsecrap !

Pentium EE 840 is the FASTEST DESKTOP PROCESSOR !!!

I think people here cannot afford EE 840 that is why the bad sentiments !!!

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: Dothan
Damn AMD fanatics here !!!

Tell me how Intel EE 840 chip has blown away X2 4800+ on DiVX encoding test ?

Quit telling people Intel machine unstable and too hot running. What a load of horsecrap !

Pentium EE 840 is the FASTEST DESKTOP PROCESSOR !!!

I think people here cannot afford EE 840 that is why the bad sentiments !!!

Wrong. http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2410&p=3

If you bothered to read this thread you would have noticed that the whole test is not believable. You would also know that the EE LOST in 3 out of the 4 tests (although none of the tests are reliable).

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: Dothan
Damn AMD fanatics here !!!

Tell me how Intel EE 840 chip has blown away X2 4800+ on DiVX encoding test ?

Quit telling people Intel machine unstable and too hot running. What a load of horsecrap !

Pentium EE 840 is the FASTEST DESKTOP PROCESSOR !!!

I think people here cannot afford EE 840 that is why the bad sentiments !!!

Look at the post right above yours by Tomshardware general manager !!!!
Even they admit the X2 4800+ outclasses the EE. Get a grip and go back and tell your Intel manager you failed to spread FUD!!!

It should be quite obvious, alone from the benchmarks they prefer for various comparisons.
But since you're in doubt, check out this rant, slipped by Tomshardware's general manager.

http://www6.tomshardware.com/column/20040218/index.html

Edit: And if you look at my sig, you will see I CAN afford the EE if I wanted to.

 

[PetNorth]

Is there some troll epidemic here or what?

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: PetNorth
Is there some troll epidemic here or what?

Well, at the moment Dothan has FUD like this in the top 4-6 threads in the CPU area. He only has 12 posts total. Can you say Intel employee ??? Was he asked to do this ? or paid to ? Only speculation, but he cantributed zero to any of the threads, one he started just to flame, and was shot down immediately..