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Perknose

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Millennials Are Causing the U.S. Divorce Rate to Plummet

"New data show younger couples are approaching relationships very differently from baby boomers, who married young, divorced, remarried and so on. Generation X and especially millennials are being pickier about who they marry, tying the knot at older ages when education, careers and finances are on track. The result is a U.S. divorce rate that dropped 18 percent from 2008 to 2016, according to an analysis by University of Maryland sociology professor Philip Cohen."

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“One of the reasons for the decline is that the married population is getting older and more highly educated,” Cohen said. Fewer people are getting married, and those who do are the sort of people who are least likely to get divorced, he said. “Marriage is more and more an achievement of status, rather than something that people do regardless of how they’re doing.”


Many poorer and less educated Americans are opting not to get married at all. They’re living together, and often raising kids together, but deciding not to tie the knot. And studies have shown these cohabiting relationships are less stable than they used to be.

Fewer divorces, therefore, aren’t only bad news for matrimonial lawyers but a sign of America’s widening chasm of inequality. Marriage is becoming a more durable, but far more exclusive, institution."

^^^ Good news overall, even as the economic factors behind this are regrettable, to say the least.



 

dasherHampton

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They're skipping over that "first marriage" and moving right on to the second one.

I guess that probably is progress.
 

Commodus

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It's funny, conservatives will often whine about the decline of "traditional values" and point to higher divorce rates as supposed evidence, but I think it's really that combination of smarter couples and, unfortunately, some income inequality.

You look at the marriage ages of many millennials' parents (let alone the parents of older generations) and you notice that many of them got married in their mid-20s or earlier. They heard the drumbeat of their parents, who pressured the kids into marrying young and treated them as failures if they were still single after 30. The result? Lots of people who end up in marriages that aren't really a good fit and lead to divorces, even if it's 10 or 20 years down the line.

And yeah, if your family expects you to spend $40,000 (or even $5,000) on a marriage ceremony when you can barely afford rent and food, it's not surprising that you'd choose just to live with your partner instead, and may feel pushed into it out of economic necessity. Give people better wages and a strong social net and then they can consider marriage.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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And yeah, if your family expects you to spend $40,000

An in-law spent more than that on a ring because his then-wife saw that as the bare minimum. We all said, "DON'T DO IT". The marriage ended as you might have expected but uglier than most.
 
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What really makes me wonder is (long term) how is the human body going to adapt to this shit?

Humans were made to be fertile and start pumping out babies at 14-18 being the PRIME years. Now that we have people getting married and forcing kids through IVF/IUI in their 30's / 40's - That has definitely gotta screw with the basic human biology that we were originally built for. Interesting times no doubt -

However, as far as divorces I would take this with a grain of salt. I'm sure the average marriage for boomers lasted a certain numbers of years before the divorce kicks in, I'm betting that millennials haven't yet hit that anniversary where they give up and seek a divorce.
 

Commodus

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An in-law spent more than that on a ring because his then-wife saw that as the bare minimum. We all said, "DON'T DO IT". The marriage ended as you might have expected but uglier than most.

Egads. If your spouse-to-be is obsessed with the pomp of a wedding rather than its meaning, it's definitely not a good long-term match. With that said: incomes shouldn't be so low that couples can't even imagine a marriage more elaborate than signing some documents at town hall.
 

UNCjigga

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Curious to know if studies also show more marriages with prenuptial agreements, and whether that's correlated with stability.
 

Juiblex

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Why get married when all you need is friends with benefits?

Easy come and easy go... No need to worry about building or being part of a family when you substitute it with the government. But when the govt divorces the people. What then?
 

alien42

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Why get married when all you need is friends with benefits?

Easy come and easy go... No need to worry about building or being part of a family when you substitute it with the government. But when the govt divorces the people. What then?

wtf is this crazy shit? substituting family with government?

your hatred of liberals and progressives is quite clear, it just doesn't make any sense or have any grounding in reality.
 

Chromagnus

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Can't wait for the divorce rate to drop to 0 because only 4 people in the country can afford to get married in the first place.

Maybe the concept of insanely expensive weddings will get killed off as well (probably not though). Aside from the actual wedding being married is generally cheaper than not being married (independently of children).
 

Blackjack200

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Maybe the concept of insanely expensive weddings will get killed off as well (probably not though). Aside from the actual wedding being married is generally cheaper than not being married (independently of children).

I'm not referring to the cost of the wedding. I'm referring to the fact that to get married, generally a couple needs to be ready to begin a new life together, move out of their parents' basement, not be buried under six figures of college debt, etc. etc.
 
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I'm not referring to the cost of the wedding. I'm referring to the fact that to get married, generally a couple needs to be ready to begin a new life together, move out of their parents' basement, not be buried under six figures of college debt, etc. etc.
What's so hard about that? Go to a college you can afford. Get a degree in something that actually has jobs. Or skip college and go into the trades. Don't be afraid of hard work.

I'm a felon. No excuses here. The bootstraps is real.
 
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Chromagnus

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I'm not referring to the cost of the wedding. I'm referring to the fact that to get married, generally a couple needs to be ready to begin a new life together, move out of their parents' basement, not be buried under six figures of college debt, etc. etc.

Gotcha. Speaking as a millennial I don't know anyone who isn't getting married specifically because they "can't afford it", I know far more people that are waiting to buy a home for that reason but it seems like people are still getting married. That being said people are choosing to get married older for many reasons, some of which are career related so you could tie that back into finances but I've never heard someone explicitly say they can't afford to get married.

I'd say far more people are just really cautious about getting married too young or not dating someone for long enough. The fear of divorce is very real in my generation after seeing how poorly marriage turned out for a large portion of our parents generation.
 

Blackjack200

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What's so hard about that? Go to a college you can afford. Get a degree in something that actually has jobs. Or skip college and go into the trades. Don't be afraid of hard work.

I'm a felon. No excuses here. The bootstraps is real.

Thanks Horatio Alger.
 

Blackjack200

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Gotcha. Speaking as a millennial I don't know anyone who isn't getting married specifically because they "can't afford it", I know far more people that are waiting to buy a home for that reason but it seems like people are still getting married. That being said people are choosing to get married older for many reasons, some of which are career related so you could tie that back into finances but I've never heard someone explicitly say they can't afford to get married.

I'd say far more people are just really cautious about getting married too young or not dating someone for long enough. The fear of divorce is very real in my generation after seeing how poorly marriage turned out for a large portion of our parents generation.

That's great, but your social circle is not representative of the experience of young Americans. The data that I've seen suggests that millenials are poorer, burdened by more debt, and have worse career prospects than their parents.
 

Chromagnus

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What's so hard about that? Go to a college you can afford. Get a degree in something that actually has jobs. Or skip college and go into the trades. Don't be afraid of hard work.

I'm a felon. No excuses here. The bootstraps is real.

It's still proportionately harder than it used to be. My path was about as conservative as could be. I went to a good state school where tuition was relatively pretty cheap. I majored in a very practical area and went into a career that is very stable and fairly well paid. I was able to get my school loans paid off relatively quickly compared to some of my peers but it still took time. That being said if I went this exact same route 20 years it would have been much easier financially. Tuition has sky rocketed and 20 years ago I probably would have been able to pay off my loans in half the time, or maybe even graduate without loans since I worked the entire time I was in school.

Tuition is just one example but there are many other indicators on how it is harder now for young people to get financially stable than it used to be and it's not about hard work.
 
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