So why does the army has no problems with alcohol, but strictly prohibits something as harmless as....

[ch33kym0use]

I am already stupid. I don't need weeds to makes me more stupid. Although I likes different alcoholic drinks in moderation.

 

[johnjohn320]

Originally posted by: Deadtrees
With alcohol, at least, soldiers would do something together even if it's something stupid. It builds companionship. Weed is not like that.

You've apparently never smoked weed.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: LikeLinus
. . . but it's not as clear cut as "alcohol is just as bad as weed" that a lot of people bring up as an argument.

Not only are you wrong, but you are WAY wrong. Are you high or something?

Every single blue ribbon group appointed to investigate the matter, starting with the one Nixon appointed, has come back saying that alcohol is FAR WORSE than weed in the destruction that it's use and abuse causes in society... FAR WORSE.

Put down that modest glass of chardonnay you're relentlessy sipping and educate yourself on this matter. :laugh:

You have no rebuttle to my whole text other than to say that me saying that the simple argument of saying liquor vs weed isn't clear cut.

Seriously, that's ALL you have to respond with? That I'm wrong?

Wow. Talk about someone who needs educating.

Simply put, alcohol can be very evil. But two wrongs don't make a right. Weed has no real socially redeeming quality to it. You did not dispute a single one of my points.

No one said anything about MJ being dangerous.

Way to twist everything I said and to not even provide a valid argument. Maybe you should put down that joint and motivate yourself to type more than 1 sentence and cut and pasting freaking NIXON of all people.

Great reading comprehension on your part. Nixon commissioned one of several blue ribbon commissions which have all concluded that alcohol does FAR more serious societal damage than pot and recommended that pot be decriminalized.

That's THEIR EXPLICIT, EXPERT, STUDY BASED CONCLUSION THAT REFUTES YOUR POINTS.

Nothing was twisted, YOU were simply refuted and continue to be refuted by every high level commission that has ever studied the problem.

How do you like them apples?

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: Braznor
...weed?

I never did get that logic. I can understand their stance about harder drugs. But isn't alcohol much more harmful to one's health than marijuana?

Part of your premise here is wrong. In clinical studies, moderate consumption of alcohol is indeed quite beneficial to your body. If I recall correctly beer has more nutritional value than a banana. Current studies point that it is the actual ethanol in alcoholic beverages that is beneficial and not necessarily the resveratrol in red wine that people like to talk about.

Additionally marijuana is indeed a neurotoxin and current studies may be pointing that smoking marijuana may indeed lead to the same sorts of cancer associated with cigarettes.

So your assumption that alcohol is intrinsically very harmful and that marijuana is safe is likely incorrect. Not to mention the entire legality thing that has been mentioned a few times here.

WRONG... WRONG WRONG WRONG! :laugh: Do some research that isn't biased and funded by those that want it to remain illegal.

Marijuana is nothing more than a planet. THC and Cannabinol have actually be found to have no negative effects on the body. Now, smoking plant material can be hazardous to the lungs... we get that. It's not a necessary way to get those chemicals though. Vaporization gets the chemicals and just about that. Most medical marijuana patients use vaporization instead of smoking, but will smoke due to convenience of not being tethered to a wall.

The body actually naturally creates Cannabinol iirc, took awhile for researchers to figure that out. There are neurotransmitter receptors in the brain referred to by a similar name, and are what Cannabinol attaches to (I believe they are called CBN receptors... don't feel like looking it up again right this moment...). THC is now believed to be potentially anti-tumor... two distinct studies nearly a decade ago researched this on mice and discovered a link between THC and tumor death... whereas nicotine is pro-tumor (not a carcinogen, but leads to a favorable environment by interfering with apoptosis), THC seems to potentially force apoptosis in wayward cells. Nobody is doing large-scale research on humans due to morality and federal funding. I'd argue that THC, beyond comforting and giving appetites to cancer patients, may actually help the fight against the cancer, but it isn't credited... rather, modern medicine is credited with successful cancer treatment.

It's a natural pain reliever, this has been proven through all the prescriptions for pain, pain that many prescription pain relievers don't touch for those patients.

There are more Pros to the legalization of marijuana than there are Cons. But it's a tough fight to get there, because nobody wants to do full-fledged research on the plant.

And sure, many people smoke it only to get high. But many also only toke to get a little buzz, which can provide release from anxiety, which that alone can improve performance in many applications. Sure... you get the lazy stoners who create the stigma that weed has. But many professionals, and scholar students, and who knows who else, use it like they would alcohol or nicotine. It's a way to release, unwind, loosen up, improve creativity, socialize, etc etc... just like everything else.

LikeLinus This post was for you too.

I don't use it myself, but I don't care if people do, and recognize the idiocy in it being illegal. It wouldn't have the negative impact on society that alcohol does, that's for sure. It might make more lazy people even more unmotivated, but in all honesty, that's not the drug, that's their mindset. It really just makes people be more who they really are, so in one way, it just exaggerates the individual's mindset. If they become more lazy, that's because in the end, that's who they want to be, and would rather not work. Hell, I have that mindset I could easily have now, because I really dislike the realities of humanity, but that's a different topic you can finally find in the multiple religion/atheist topics.

 

[idiotekniQues]

weed is illegal cause a bunch of racists that ran this country until not too long ago deemed that the negroes could get our white women with some mareeejaaawaaaanaa

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: moshquerade
why is weed illegal in the first place? i don't get that logic.

Because Weed doesn't really have one social redeeming quality other than getting high . It's good for medical reasons, but how many people say "I bet that skunk would go really well with a nice steak" or "Some AK-47 would really bring out the flavor of this duck".

But everything taste better after some skunk

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Braznor
...weed?

I never did get that logic. I can understand their stance about harder drugs. But isn't alcohol much more harmful to one's health than marijuana?

Booze makes you aggressive while weeds makes you lethargic. The Army wants aggressive soldiers.

Bingo!

Plus there is Europe's history with alcohol. We don't call it being 'smoked' now do we?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: IGBT
..it's dope. the problem of addiction starts wit the desire to intoxicate. get over it.

And yet you find it intoxicating to prevent others their desire to intoxicate. That's your 'dope.' Should we get over that? Or just put your un-American ass up against the wall?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: uberman

Originally posted by: Uppsala9496
Because alcohol is legal and weed is not. As simple as that.

That's it, really simple! A friend of mine was up for a high ranking position at the embassy. She was asked about the "weed." Said yes to it a long time ago. She was kicked out of the position. The rule is zero tolerance.

BTW, weed is not a safe drug. It has very serious side effects such as destroying motivation and retarding social growth. I know a guy who's in his 50's and has the emotional maturity of a 15 year old. He has no motivation and has no idea about world affairs. He doesn't even know who the Department of Homeland Security is.

BTW, I'm for legalization for medical use. I agree it is a dangerous drug.

I had a high school friend who became alcoholic. Last I saw him, some years ago, he was living on the streets, in the gutters, and riding trains. Should we outlaw that 'dangerous drug' too? If not, how do you justify your position with this relatively less dangerous drug?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: moshquerade
why is weed illegal in the first place? i don't get that logic.

Because Weed doesn't really have one social redeeming quality other than getting high . It's good for medical reasons, but how many people say "I bet that skunk would go really well with a nice steak" or "Some AK-47 would really bring out the flavor of this duck".

Having a glass of wine each day can actually be healthy for you. Show me one doctor who says smoking a joint a day is healthy.

Can you cook with weed without it putting THC into the food and getting you high? Wine, Beer and Alcohol can all be used in cooking that will allow it to burn off, but leave the flavor of the beverage.

Not to mention that Wine is used in religious circles around the world.

Also, Wine and Beer can be drank in moderation with no effects. You can't take a few hits off a joint without being high. You can drink an alcoholic drink with a meal and not be drunk.

Medical use aside, weed is nothing more than a drug for all intents and purposes. We all know the negatives of alcohol, but at least it has some other benefits.

Some day that might change (the legality), but it's not as clear cut as "alcohol is just as bad as weed" that a lot of people bring up as an argument.

I looked up intellectual dishonesty in the dictionary and found this post.

 

[IGBT]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: IGBT
..it's dope. the problem of addiction starts wit the desire to intoxicate. get over it.

And yet you find it intoxicating to prevent others their desire to intoxicate. That's your 'dope.' Should we get over that? Or just put your un-American ass up against the wall?

..you sound disgruntled. perhaps withdrawl of some sort? would you like a pill??

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: mcmilljb

Originally posted by: uclaLabrat

Originally posted by: uberman

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: uberman
I know a guy who's in his 50's and has the emotional maturity of a 15 year old. He has no motivation and has no idea about world affairs. He doesn't even know who the Department of Homeland Security is.

Is there any reason to think your friend would be any smarter, more aware or more motivated if drank daily instead of smoking weed?

Sounds to me like your friend would have been a dufus no matter what, and that you're just trying to scapegoat weed, which, in his case is more a symptom of his stupidity and not the cause, you know?

Sure. I know a lot of people who have an evening cocktail, are highly educated professionals, and have great lives. They also remain motivated.

I'm in a PhD program, surrounded by highly intelligent and motivated people, and some of them don't want to get out of bed without hitting a pipe. They still do quite fine, and weed hasn't slowed them down at all.

That doesn't sound very motivated to me.

People use weed to get high, that's the end result. Is getting high a good or bad thing? That's up for debate, depending on other circumstances and reactions it causes. Not everyone uses beer to get drunk. Some people enjoy a good beer, but it's a shame too many people ruin it by drinking and driving or drinking shitty beer.

To good beer! :beer:

...and some people enjoy a good joint. there's no difference between coming home after a long day and having a few beers and doing the same thing with a joint / pipe / bong. except of course the legality issue

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: Perknose

That's THEIR EXPLICIT, EXPERT, STUDY BASED CONCLUSION THAT REFUTES YOUR POINTS.

Nothing was twisted, YOU were simply refuted and continue to be refuted by every high level commission that has ever studied the problem.

How do you like them apples?

Wow, just wow. Drugs are bad kids, this proves it.

My original reply was to someone saying "alcohol is more dangerous to weed". My rebuttle was that the issue of why MJ isn't legal is NOT AS SIMPLE as that stupid argument. I NEVER ONCE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT IS DANGEROUS. I pointed out that Alcohol has it's downsides, it also has socially redeeming qualities and uses that weed simply doesn't have. That because of these other uses in cooking, use without getting drunk immediately, religion, social aspects and more - that it is not frowned upon like weed is. That's because, and here is my point one more time, weed is really only good for recreational use (and medical).

I NEVER refuted anything the Nixon commission said. Are you freaking HIGH or something? I said you had NO REBUTTLE to my list of ues and that you have provided NO logical argument against my points of why alcohol is level and weed isnt. That report does not shine light on other uses of the drug itself. The comments that you posted from the commission only talk about the legality and that they think it's safe. LOL, WTF does that have to do about the actual USES of the drug?

You are making an argument about absolutely NOTHING. I'm not the one with the reading problem.

That was the WHOLE point of this thread. Why MJ is illegal and Alcohol isn't. My reply was to someone saying " You have NOT ONCE tried to point out it's actual valid uses OTHER than getting high or medical.

All you want to do is ignore my argument and post a single link to reports that do not show ANYTHING in regards to my basic outlined discussion.

Thanks for the apple champ - Teachers love apples. Class dismissed.

destrekor - my post has nothing to do with my views or beliefs on its use. You'd probably be surprised. But my whole point is that alcohol is used for may things. Weed, honestly, what use does it have other than getting high or medical? lol seriously. It's just fun to watch the potheads get all in a roar. It is what it is, a recreational drug.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: moshquerade
why is weed illegal in the first place? i don't get that logic.

Because Weed doesn't really have one social redeeming quality other than getting high . It's good for medical reasons, but how many people say "I bet that skunk would go really well with a nice steak" or "Some AK-47 would really bring out the flavor of this duck".

Having a glass of wine each day can actually be healthy for you. Show me one doctor who says smoking a joint a day is healthy.

Can you cook with weed without it putting THC into the food and getting you high? Wine, Beer and Alcohol can all be used in cooking that will allow it to burn off, but leave the flavor of the beverage.

Not to mention that Wine is used in religious circles around the world.

Also, Wine and Beer can be drank in moderation with no effects. You can't take a few hits off a joint without being high. You can drink an alcoholic drink with a meal and not be drunk.

Medical use aside, weed is nothing more than a drug for all intents and purposes. We all know the negatives of alcohol, but at least it has some other benefits.

Some day that might change (the legality), but it's not as clear cut as "alcohol is just as bad as weed" that a lot of people bring up as an argument.

I looked up intellectual dishonesty in the dictionary and found this post.

Not true. I don't believe that weed has any uses outside of medical or recreational. I don't give crap if people use it recreational, but it has no redeeming qualities outside of those uses. The whole point was WHY society thinks alcohol is ok. It can be used without getting drunk. You really can't use weed without getting high off it. That's all.

 

[alkemyst]

I don't think alcohol or drugs in general need to be banned. Let people do what they want and regulate it. You fuck up because you got stoned, you pay a price.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: moshquerade
why is weed illegal in the first place? i don't get that logic.

Because Weed doesn't really have one social redeeming quality other than getting high . It's good for medical reasons, but how many people say "I bet that skunk would go really well with a nice steak" or "Some AK-47 would really bring out the flavor of this duck".

Having a glass of wine each day can actually be healthy for you. Show me one doctor who says smoking a joint a day is healthy.

Can you cook with weed without it putting THC into the food and getting you high? Wine, Beer and Alcohol can all be used in cooking that will allow it to burn off, but leave the flavor of the beverage.

Not to mention that Wine is used in religious circles around the world.

Also, Wine and Beer can be drank in moderation with no effects. You can't take a few hits off a joint without being high. You can drink an alcoholic drink with a meal and not be drunk.

Medical use aside, weed is nothing more than a drug for all intents and purposes. We all know the negatives of alcohol, but at least it has some other benefits.

Some day that might change (the legality), but it's not as clear cut as "alcohol is just as bad as weed" that a lot of people bring up as an argument.

I looked up intellectual dishonesty in the dictionary and found this post.

Not true. I don't believe that weed has any uses outside of medical or recreational. I don't give crap if people use it recreational, but it has no redeeming qualities outside of those uses. The whole point was WHY society thinks alcohol is ok. It can be used without getting drunk. You really can't use weed without getting high off it. That's all.

.... what?
Are you drunk? Yes you can. People can take a few drags off a joint and not get high. And the uses of alcohol other than drinking to get drunk are a much newer part of society than you might care to believe. And when drinking alcohol, a glass or two of something might not get you drunk, but unless you have a tolerance built up, you'll feel something. Same with weed. You won't get high, but you start to get a light buzz. At this point, the two are pretty similar. Build up a tolerance, and it remains similar.

You're arguments against marijuana seem so contrived as to only provide further evidence as to why it needs to remain illegal, when in reality your posts have been extremely biased.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: moshquerade
why is weed illegal in the first place? i don't get that logic.

Because Weed doesn't really have one social redeeming quality other than getting high . It's good for medical reasons, but how many people say "I bet that skunk would go really well with a nice steak" or "Some AK-47 would really bring out the flavor of this duck".

Having a glass of wine each day can actually be healthy for you. Show me one doctor who says smoking a joint a day is healthy.

Can you cook with weed without it putting THC into the food and getting you high? Wine, Beer and Alcohol can all be used in cooking that will allow it to burn off, but leave the flavor of the beverage.

Not to mention that Wine is used in religious circles around the world.

Also, Wine and Beer can be drank in moderation with no effects. You can't take a few hits off a joint without being high. You can drink an alcoholic drink with a meal and not be drunk.

Medical use aside, weed is nothing more than a drug for all intents and purposes. We all know the negatives of alcohol, but at least it has some other benefits.

Some day that might change (the legality), but it's not as clear cut as "alcohol is just as bad as weed" that a lot of people bring up as an argument.

I looked up intellectual dishonesty in the dictionary and found this post.

Not true. I don't believe that weed has any uses outside of medical or recreational. I don't give crap if people use it recreational, but it has no redeeming qualities outside of those uses. The whole point was WHY society thinks alcohol is ok. It can be used without getting drunk. You really can't use weed without getting high off it. That's all.

.... what?
Are you drunk? Yes you can. People can take a few drags off a joint and not get high. And the uses of alcohol other than drinking to get drunk are a much newer part of society than you might care to believe. And when drinking alcohol, a glass or two of something might not get you drunk, but unless you have a tolerance built up, you'll feel something. Same with weed. You won't get high, but you start to get a light buzz. At this point, the two are pretty similar. Build up a tolerance, and it remains similar.

You're arguments against marijuana seem so contrived as to only provide further evidence as to why it needs to remain illegal, when in reality your posts have been extremely biased.

What?

People can take a few drags off a joint and not get high. = You won't get high, but you start to get a light buzz.

A buzz is a freaking HIGH.

Dude, why can't you grasp that it's not an argument against MJ? Wow, you people seriously need to read. I'm talking about the social aspects of why Alcohol is more widely accepted than MJ and it's uses. Get a freaking clue people. Quit twisting shit around to try to make your own fake arguments.

Why hasn't a single person provided a rebuttle on uses of marijuana outside of recreational use? All you're doing is jumping on me and saying all I'm wrong or that I'm drunk. Which is funny as hell. I'm automatically some lush because I can point out the benefits of alcohol outside of getting drunk. LOL

"And the uses of alcohol other than drinking to get drunk are a much newer part of society than you might care to believe. " That's an outright freaking joke. Alcohol has been used as part of religion, cooking and social aspect for thousands of years. The health aspect is new, but otherwise all those other uses are well known in history.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: moshquerade
why is weed illegal in the first place? i don't get that logic.

Because Weed doesn't really have one social redeeming quality other than getting high . It's good for medical reasons, but how many people say "I bet that skunk would go really well with a nice steak" or "Some AK-47 would really bring out the flavor of this duck".

Having a glass of wine each day can actually be healthy for you. Show me one doctor who says smoking a joint a day is healthy.

Can you cook with weed without it putting THC into the food and getting you high? Wine, Beer and Alcohol can all be used in cooking that will allow it to burn off, but leave the flavor of the beverage.

Not to mention that Wine is used in religious circles around the world.

Also, Wine and Beer can be drank in moderation with no effects. You can't take a few hits off a joint without being high. You can drink an alcoholic drink with a meal and not be drunk.

Medical use aside, weed is nothing more than a drug for all intents and purposes. We all know the negatives of alcohol, but at least it has some other benefits.

Some day that might change (the legality), but it's not as clear cut as "alcohol is just as bad as weed" that a lot of people bring up as an argument.

I looked up intellectual dishonesty in the dictionary and found this post.

Not true. I don't believe that weed has any uses outside of medical or recreational. I don't give crap if people use it recreational, but it has no redeeming qualities outside of those uses. The whole point was WHY society thinks alcohol is ok. It can be used without getting drunk. You really can't use weed without getting high off it. That's all.

.... what?
Are you drunk? Yes you can. People can take a few drags off a joint and not get high. And the uses of alcohol other than drinking to get drunk are a much newer part of society than you might care to believe. And when drinking alcohol, a glass or two of something might not get you drunk, but unless you have a tolerance built up, you'll feel something. Same with weed. You won't get high, but you start to get a light buzz. At this point, the two are pretty similar. Build up a tolerance, and it remains similar.

You're arguments against marijuana seem so contrived as to only provide further evidence as to why it needs to remain illegal, when in reality your posts have been extremely biased.

What?

People can take a few drags off a joint and not get high. = You won't get high, but you start to get a light buzz.

A buzz is a freaking HIGH.

Dude, why can't you grasp that it's not an argument against MJ? Wow, you people seriously need to read. I'm talking about the social aspects of why Alcohol is more widely accepted than MJ and it's uses. Get a freaking clue people. Quit twisting shit around to try to make your own fake arguments.

Why hasn't a single person provided a rebuttle on uses of marijuana outside of recreational use? All you're doing is jumping on me and saying all I'm wrong or that I'm drunk. Which is funny as hell. I'm automatically some lush because I can point out the benefits of alcohol outside of getting drunk. LOL

"And the uses of alcohol other than drinking to get drunk are a much newer part of society than you might care to believe. " That's an outright freaking joke. Alcohol has been used as part of religion, cooking and social aspect for thousands of years. The health aspect is new, but otherwise all those other uses are well known in history.

Everyone here has provided the answers you are looking for, but you choose to ignore them.
Oh, and with regards to drinking alcohol, what do you call a buzz then? A buzz in alcohol = drunk? I don't think so. Just like a buzz from smoking does not equate to being high.

Read my post on page 3, it has the non-recreational answers you are looking for.

In response to your edit:
The cooking bit, I admit, is news to me. Religion, well that's useless. Mushrooms, acid, opium, tobacco, and weed, have all been apart of 'religion' for MUCH longer than modern religion has existed. Also, same goes for 'social aspect'. Social aspect is nothing but a ploy to describe why one drinks. What benefit is alcohol in socializing? Oh, how it makes you feel and how it contributes to lively conversations? Hmm... marijuana seems to provide the same exact thing. Cooking is the only thing marijuana isn't exactly used for, however, instead of putting it on the food, many would prefer to smoke before eating to enhance the natural flavor of that dish.

 

[Xyclone]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: Perknose

That's THEIR EXPLICIT, EXPERT, STUDY BASED CONCLUSION THAT REFUTES YOUR POINTS.

Nothing was twisted, YOU were simply refuted and continue to be refuted by every high level commission that has ever studied the problem.

How do you like them apples?

Wow, just wow. Drugs are bad kids, this proves it.

My original reply was to someone saying "alcohol is more dangerous to weed". My rebuttle was that the issue of why MJ isn't legal is NOT AS SIMPLE as that stupid argument. I NEVER ONCE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT IS DANGEROUS. I pointed out that Alcohol has it's downsides, it also has socially redeeming qualities and uses that weed simply doesn't have. That because of these other uses in cooking, use without getting drunk immediately, religion, social aspects and more - that it is not frowned upon like weed is. That's because, and here is my point one more time, weed is really only good for recreational use (and medical).

I NEVER refuted anything the Nixon commission said. Are you freaking HIGH or something? I said you had NO REBUTTLE to my list of ues and that you have provided NO logical argument against my points of why alcohol is level and weed isnt. That report does not shine light on other uses of the drug itself. The comments that you posted from the commission only talk about the legality and that they think it's safe. LOL, WTF does that have to do about the actual USES of the drug?

You are making an argument about absolutely NOTHING. I'm not the one with the reading problem.

That was the WHOLE point of this thread. Why MJ is illegal and Alcohol isn't. My reply was to someone saying " You have NOT ONCE tried to point out it's actual valid uses OTHER than getting high or medical.

All you want to do is ignore my argument and post a single link to reports that do not show ANYTHING in regards to my basic outlined discussion.

Thanks for the apple champ - Teachers love apples. Class dismissed.

destrekor - my post has nothing to do with my views or beliefs on its use. You'd probably be surprised. But my whole point is that alcohol is used for may things. Weed, honestly, what use does it have other than getting high or medical? lol seriously. It's just fun to watch the potheads get all in a roar. It is what it is, a recreational drug.

Marijuana is illegal since its fibers in the plant itself, not the bud, the hemp, are much more effecient as paper than trees, and it grows quickly. Trees on the other hand...

Before 1937, the year marijuana was illegalized, many people grew hemp. The founding fathers, such as George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin grew hemp. The flag of the US was made out of hemp.

Read the Wikipedia article, specifically the part on Dupont, William Randolph Hearst, etc. The reasons for criminilization are simply because people like Hearst did not want to lose profit.

Being drunk is intoxicating. You can practice unsafe sex, have sex with fat/unattractive girls you had no intention of having sex with sober, you drive dangerously, your speech is slurred, etc. Alcohol damages your liver, and in extreme cases induces a coma-like state, or even death.

On the other hand, being high is only being high, not intoxicated. People with a tolerance to it can drive safely, there are no beer goggles, it's not dangerous, has a vast history of medical use, etc. The only thing dangerous about it is the inhalation of smoke (inhaling any type of smoke is bad), but that can be avoided with the use of vaporizers or edibles (brownies, cookies, lollipops, ice cream, etc.).

Educate yourself, ATOT, don't fall into the "Reefer Madness" mentality.

EDIT: By "edibles" I mean sweets with cannabis baked into them.

 

[OdiN]

Alcohol = legal

Weed = illegal

Maybe that has something to do with it.

 

[IGBT]

Originally posted by: OdiN
Alcohol = legal

Weed = illegal

Maybe that has something to do with it.

..and their both dope.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: Xyclone

Marijuana is illegal since its fibers in the plant itself, not the bud, the hemp, are much more effecient as paper than trees, and it grows quickly. Trees on the other hand...

Before 1937, the year marijuana was illegalized, many people grew hemp. The founding fathers, such as George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin grew hemp. The flag of the US was made out of hemp.

Read the Wikipedia article, specifically the part on Dupont, William Randolph Hearst, etc. The reasons for criminilization are simply because people like Hearst did not want to lose profit.

Being drunk is intoxicating. You can practice unsafe sex, have sex with fat/unattractive girls you had no intention of having sex with sober, you drive dangerously, your speech is slurred, etc. Alcohol damages your liver, and in extreme cases induces a coma-like state, or even death.

On the other hand, being high is only being high, not intoxicated. People with a tolerance to it can drive safely, there are no beer goggles, it's not dangerous, has a vast history of medical use, etc. The only thing dangerous about it is the inhalation of smoke (inhaling any type of smoke is bad), but that can be avoided with the use of vaporizers or edibles (brownies, cookies, lollipops, ice cream, etc.).

Educate yourself, ATOT, don't fall into the "Reefer Madness" mentality.

EDIT: By "edibles" I mean sweets with cannabis baked into them.

Hemp is different than "weed". Hemp has some wonderful uses and is still used to this day to make clothes and other things. That'd be like saying that alcohol isn't bad because there are many uses for hops lol. We're talking about the simple fact of smoking it to get high. That's the biggest reason people want it legalized. It's not "Reefer Madness" lol.

Why do you want weed legal?

 

[Xyclone]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: Xyclone

Marijuana is illegal since its fibers in the plant itself, not the bud, the hemp, are much more effecient as paper than trees, and it grows quickly. Trees on the other hand...

Before 1937, the year marijuana was illegalized, many people grew hemp. The founding fathers, such as George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin grew hemp. The flag of the US was made out of hemp.

Read the Wikipedia article, specifically the part on Dupont, William Randolph Hearst, etc. The reasons for criminilization are simply because people like Hearst did not want to lose profit.

Being drunk is intoxicating. You can practice unsafe sex, have sex with fat/unattractive girls you had no intention of having sex with sober, you drive dangerously, your speech is slurred, etc. Alcohol damages your liver, and in extreme cases induces a coma-like state, or even death.

On the other hand, being high is only being high, not intoxicated. People with a tolerance to it can drive safely, there are no beer goggles, it's not dangerous, has a vast history of medical use, etc. The only thing dangerous about it is the inhalation of smoke (inhaling any type of smoke is bad), but that can be avoided with the use of vaporizers or edibles (brownies, cookies, lollipops, ice cream, etc.).

Educate yourself, ATOT, don't fall into the "Reefer Madness" mentality.

EDIT: By "edibles" I mean sweets with cannabis baked into them.

Hemp is different than "weed". Hemp has some wonderful uses and is still used to this day to make clothes and other things. That'd be like saying that alcohol isn't bad because there are many uses for hops lol. We're talking about the simple fact of smoking it to get high. That's the biggest reason people want it legalized. It's not "Reefer Madness" lol.

Why do you want weed legal?

They are both cannabis. Hemp is simply a male cannabis plant. It is caused since the grower did not separate the males and females, and seed was brought forth. This varies from hops because hops is only an ingredient in the beer. Beer is processed, and is physically addictive, making it a hard drug. Weed, on the other hand, is only the bud from the cannabis plant. A hemp plant simply did not produce bud, since it is a male, not a female plant.

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: Xyclone

They are both cannabis. Hemp is simply a male cannabis plant. It is caused since the grower did not separate the males and females, and seed was brought forth. This varies from hops because hops is only an ingredient in the beer. Beer is processed, and is physically addictive, making it a hard drug. Weed, on the other hand, is only the bud from the cannabis plant. A hemp plant simply did not produce bud, since it is a male, not a female plant.

I'm fully aware of that, lol. I'm the last person that needs an education on MJ. Hemp is still different from the use of smoking it. Why do most people on ATOT want it legalized? Is it because the awesome clothes it makes?

Let's be really honest here. All of you guys really only want it legalized because you like to get high. lol Seriously!

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus

Originally posted by: Xyclone

They are both cannabis. Hemp is simply a male cannabis plant. It is caused since the grower did not separate the males and females, and seed was brought forth. This varies from hops because hops is only an ingredient in the beer. Beer is processed, and is physically addictive, making it a hard drug. Weed, on the other hand, is only the bud from the cannabis plant. A hemp plant simply did not produce bud, since it is a male, not a female plant.

I'm fully aware of that, lol. I'm the last person that needs an education on MJ. Hemp is still different from the use of smoking it. Why do most people on ATOT want it legalized? Is it because the awesome clothes it makes?

Let's be really honest here. All of you guys really only want it legalized because you like to get high. lol Seriously!

Far from the truth. Some of us care more about the potential positive uses of both the plant and drug. I'd love for it to be readily available for everyone with back injuries, migraines/chronic headaches, to the more serious pain disorders.
Hell, also I'd love for it to be available for when I retire from the Army, or if the Army in its infinite wisdom decided it was legal to use off-duty, I'd probably take it up for headaches and body aches, because my body has grown so used to OTC pain relievers that it's almost pointless for me to even take them, let alone expect relief. Back problems run in my family, so I expect that when I'm older too.

If legalized, it'd become a more natural thing in society too. Just like tobacco is something used frequently during the day for mild energy (at first - then just dependence), alcohol is more for the evening, or at least, after work for those that work in the evening and sleep in the day. Weed would become accepted and not accepted based on usage patterns, just like alcohol is accepted but looked down upon for use before noon, unless of course you're on vacation or on a boat.
I believe it's only looked down upon at the moment because it's illegal. If it weren't illegal, it would grow to be accepted quite fast.