So why did Donald Trump win? Flipside to the Clinton/lose thread

[OrByte]

Yep blame us but she stole an election from him so we have a right to be pissed. Fuck you too election stealing establishment is the message I get from this election since Trump #'s are lower than Romney.

I do blame Sander's supporters. absolutely.

 

[fskimospy]

Yep blame us but she stole an election from him so we have a right to be pissed. Fuck you too election stealing establishment is the message I get from this election since Trump #'s are lower than Romney.

She did not steal an election from him. Sanders lost by MILLIONS of votes.

 

[Matthiasa]

As stated in the other thread he won because the US uses an electoral college for presidential voting and not a direct vote... not that either got even 50%.

 

[fskimospy]

I do blame Sander's supporters. absolutely.

Yes, anyone who genuinely supported Sanders' policies and decided not to vote or to vote for someone other than Clinton because she beat him did nothing more than shoot themselves in the foot. Talk about dumb.

 

[nakedfrog]

I totally disagree

why did people want to vote for Sanders? because he was out there promising all sorts of crazy stuff (much like trump) and calling HRC a liar, a crook, and everything else. HRC ran a campaign that was traditional, vanilla, standard. Sanders (much like Trump) ran a campaign on fantasy and contempt.

You can disagree all you want, HRC is the reason HRC lost, not Sanders. HRC is the reason Trump won. She captured fewer electoral votes than John freakin' Kerry, did she not?

 

[Muse]

This is the one hopeful silver lining. It's entirely possible that he was lying about his policies in the same way he lied about everything else. In that case maybe he won't enact some or all of the incredibly shitty things he promised.

Yeah:

1. He won't build a wall that keeps out illegal immigrants and have Mexico pay for it.
2. He won't conquer Isis
3. He won't bring back the lost jobs
4. He won't improve the standard of living of the "middle class" (i.e. bring the middle class back to life).
5. He won't shred the current health care system (Obamacare, etc.) and replace it with a better one.
6. He will worsen global warming.
7. He will destabilize world politics with his treaty meddling.
8. He will worsen the national debt.

 

[buckshot24]

As stated in the other thread he won because the US uses an electoral college for presidential voting and not a direct vote... not that either got even 50%.

That's like saying your football team had more yards than the opponent when you lost 28-14.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

That's like saying your football team had more yards than the opponent when you lost 28-14.

the master of circular reasoning is back!! shocking, simply shocking you would push your snout back into this forum after drumpf won.

 

[Matthiasa]

That's like saying your football team had more yards than the opponent when you lost 28-14.

No its more like your team was the one ahead 28-14 but the refs called the game for the other team.

 

[buckshot24]

the master of circular reasoning is back!! shocking, simply shocking you would push your snout back into this forum after drumpf won.

I came back and got my clock cleaned after 2012, I wasn't going to miss a bit of gloating. How is what I wrote circular reasoning? If we didn't have an EC system the campaigns would have run completely differently. Therefore it isn't a valid point that Matthiasa made.

Don't be nasty because your candidate lost.

 

[buckshot24]

No its more like your team was the one ahead 28-14 but the refs called the game for the other team.

Unfortunately not. Both teams knew the rules going into the game.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I came back and got my clock cleaned after 2012, I wasn't going to miss a bit of gloating. How is what I wrote circular reasoning? If we didn't have an EC system the campaigns would have run completely differently. Therefore it isn't a valid point that Matthiasa made.

Don't be nasty because your candidate lost.

and here we go...

 

[buckshot24]

and here we go...

Don't worry, I'll be gone soon enough. How was I being circular?

 

[trenchfoot]

IMO Trump won because he pushed all the right buttons in all the right places. He said all the right things to all of the right people that mattered.

AND, now that he's won the election, most everything vile and slantedly bigoted he ran on that helped him get elected is going to get buried and forgotten because no one wants to admit that it's part of the reason why they voted for him in the first place.

Truthfully, I wish him the best because I'm going to be personally affected by his actions. That being said, I also feel really sorry for him because he is totally inexperienced about the job he just got hired for, and the learning curve must be unbelievably steep. And, I REALLY feel sorry for his running mate because Trump is going to be leaning on him hard to make him look good while he goes through the painful process of on the job training.

But what I fear most is the possibility that those ****'in Neocons see another opportunity to rear their ugly heads and they will exploit it any way they can.

 

[SP33Demon]

Simply spoken, because people were pissed and felt betrayed by establishment.

Just a few hours ago I watched something on CNN where they also asked how it came that he won.
Someone mentioned how the dems previously established trade deals "which benefited wall street".

There is only one problem: Americans are not "WallStreet". The avg. American doesn't give a shit about whatever deals that benefited "Wallstreet" or "the establishment", which Clinton was the poster child, in fact they are so pissed off they "hate" them.
They had it, so to speak.

Clinton didn't offer much to people, her speeches to me sounded often scripted and robotic. She only later started to sound "appealing" after Sanders lost where it was clear that she deliberately echoed what Sanders said to please some supporters. The rest of what she said was scripted shit people hear for 8 years already. Except that REAL, nothing has changed for the avg. person.

Trump won because he masterfully understands to talk to those "average" people, with an absolutely ingenious camapign and brilliant PR like his slogan "Make America Great Again", "Drain the Swamp" etc. Yes this is all rhetoric and most often demagoguery, but it resonated with people.

People did NOT necessarily like or trust Trump and believe everything he said. (I mean many Trump voters outright said 'Well I really don't like him...BUT....) <--- but the idea that the hated establishment would be crushed topped all this...(aka: "well I am ready to vote a buffoon into office, if it crushes the establishment that's already reason enough for me")

Basically: Many folks (and yes of course ALSO Sanders supporters ) had been ready for a revolution...and Trump in this case is the one who'd possibly make such a revolution true. Clinton: No way in hell. She was a really, really poor candidate...so poor that an even WORSE candidate, a buffoon like Trump, wiped the floor with her.

Also remember that Trump was out-campaigning her. He was doing 4-6 cities a day plus press conferences and he would slam her for not making herself accessible to the media like he did. Yeah, it gave the media more sound bytes to try and denigrate him with, but it made him more connected to the people. Her strategy of hiding behind closed doors did just the opposite and did nothing to build rapport with the American people and played right into Trump's "she has low energy and is sick" narrative. Hence when you looked at the thousand that sometimes stretched for MILES to see trump in battleground states vs her couple thousand at best was very telling of the situation. He simply met more people face to face and put himself out there with zero fucks given. If he said something he shouldn't have, he can just slam the media as picking on him and the fact they're bought out. It was a brilliant strategy that will probably be studied for years to come in poli sci.

 

[hal2kilo]

No I feel they are misguided to trust that a man who has outsourced everything he can is going to be the one to bring jobs back. Or the man who has used government corruption to get out of lawsuits is going to end government corruption... the list goes on.

Forget trying to use reason. Obviously, reason had nothing to do with the results of this election. Pure vitriol and emotion ruled the day. They showed em alright. These chickens will come home to roost.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Did Trump really "win"? Outside of a small percentage of Tea Party zealots who actually want a wall, there was nobody excited about the prospects of a Trump presidency. He never galvanized the type of support that would carry a candidate to victory. Votes for Trump were primarily votes against Hilary. He got elected because we had to choose one of the two and he was slightly less loathsome than the scummiest career criminal ever in American politics.

 

[SP33Demon]

He's not an extremist. He's a self centered opportunist. You'll see... if you pay attention.

Yup, his victory speech was a lot softer than his usual attack-dog self. He is really trying to unite the country and put personal things aside which takes guts. The people elected the right leader for the job.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

If he said something he shouldn't have, he can just slam the media as picking on him and the fact they're bought out. It was a brilliant strategy that will probably be studied for years to come in poli sci.

This was the part that just amazed me so much. Dude was like a teflon duck coated in petroleum jelly. I don't think anything short of him resurrecting Hitler/eating babies on stage would have actually gotten him rejected by his supporters. I'm sure it could be argued that this had more to do with his supporters/his opponent than him himself, but something has to be said about the fact that there were still people throwing their name in his hat instead of others.

 

[K1052]

He benefited from "not being a politician". Now he's a politician....one who has explicitly promised a great many things to a great many people. The problem with being carried into office by a very thin win gained by capitalizing on the anger of the electorate is that tide will out again, carrying you with it, if you don't deliver. One guy I know basically said that Trump will snap his fingers and we'll be back to 3-4% GDP growth. I think expectations might be a touch high.

 

[sm625]

Why Trump won isnt the question to be asking. The question is, why was there so much willful ignorance? This was not a surprise. I predicted Trump winning 14 months ago. Before a single primary vote was cast. I never had a doubt. Why did the polls not show what was obvious to every thinking person for the last several months? All the baseless attacks. All the media rigging. All the media collusion. All the frickin RINO backstabbing. It wasnt enough. We will never know how many votes were stolen by all these dirty tactics. All we know is that it wasnt enough. But I hope this will be a lesson to all these dumbed down echo chamber liberals who think they know what is going on in the world. You dont. Wherever you get your worldview... today you must accept that your sources need to change.

 

[flexy]

She did not steal an election from him. Sanders lost by MILLIONS of votes.

The collaboration of the DNC with strongly favoring Clinton WELL deserves to be called "stealing". Cheezus Christ we had that debate months ago already. It's not surprising that ultimately more people voted Clinton. THIS WAS THEIR INTENT.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

But I hope this will be a lesson to all these dumbed down echo chamber everyones who think they know what is going on in the world.

FTFY.

This isn't a victory for anyone really, Trump is like a lumbering amalgamation of all the successful voting tactics deployed over the last century. Like some kind of patchwork abomination, shambling his way up to the white house, we'll have to work around him for the next 4-8 years, and the stench will be there for far longer.

This is of course assuming he wasn't just bullshitting everyone for the last year or so, and turns out to be the best president we've had in half a century.

 

[OrByte]

You can disagree all you want, HRC is the reason HRC lost, not Sanders. HRC is the reason Trump won. She captured fewer electoral votes than John freakin' Kerry, did she not?

like I said, low voter turnout.

 

[OrByte]

Yes, anyone who genuinely supported Sanders' policies and decided not to vote or to vote for someone other than Clinton because she beat him did nothing more than shoot themselves in the foot. Talk about dumb.

exactly.
people still claiming she STOLE it from Sander's only serves to prove my point.

Sander's people are as bad as Trumps 'deplorables.' The hard left abandoned the effort because they got butt hurt that Sander's lost.