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So Why aren't Israelis 'desert dudes' ?

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<< really,this is a very hard issue,I cant understand you people from US supporting Israel no matter what... >>


Dang...I thought stereotypes were a bad thing
 
Yes all people in the US think the same thing all the time>>


Of course not but I think most of us i Europe knows many in US supports Israel,,and that is ok.
Thing is,the terrrorists is bad,but Israel also kill innocent people as the terrorists and they are just as bad when they do it.
Israel has the power and they use it in a wrong way,even Bush thought so...
 


<< The accumulative results of decades of media brainwashing and euphemisms used to describe the state terror conducted by the IDF. I read Haaretz, the most respected Israeli newspaper, daily, and THEY expose and condemn the IDF policies on almost daily basis. Also, the Europeans and all human rights organization know very well the terrors of the IDF. >>


Haaretz is the most liberal of the big Israel papers. It depends on your own opinions whether or not you respect Haaretz more than the other papers.


<< Jee, I remember earlier we talked about the IDF targeting red crescent and red cross ambulances and many in this forum supported the killing of medical personnel because they were "Palestinians" and automatically "terrorists". >>


Who said that?

I hope you don't take a quote out of context too...cuz you said "the IDF" (not IDF soldiers) and "targetting" (which would imply not as collateral damage)
 
according to scientific studdies published few months ago the Israelis and all the other "desert dudes"😉 have close enough dna to be considered the same "race" as in the Israelis are no different than the "desert dudes" just different religion and culture.

Why the US thinks so differently than Europe, that is most likely because of history.

and oh yeah, the US shares almost the same view on Israelis actions now.
 


<<
Who said that?

I hope you don't take a quote out of context too...cuz you said "the IDF" (not IDF soldiers) and "targetting" (which would imply not as collateral damage)
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Well, there was a thread about targeting Red Crescent ambulances and Etech, among other trolls, have made it clear that since they're Palestinians then the IDF has the right to shoot them whenever they want to.

If you read the first post I made from the Haaretz article. the IDF regularly opens fire on Red Crescent ambulances.. and the Red Crescent thought they'd be safe if they are accompanied by a Red Cross ambulance, but the IDF also opened fired on the Red Cross ambulance killing two medical personnel.

The irony in all of this is that Israelis, the UN, Human Rights organizations, and European Union officially condemned IDF actions... with the exception of the US, of course 😀
 


<< The irony in all of this is that Israelis, the UN, Human Rights organizations, and European Union officially condemned IDF actions... with the exception of the US, of course 😀 >>


nope, the US finialy thought that Israeli's actions are not right and they were the ones who brought forward the condamnationthingy that was approved 14-0 at the UN. Europe and many other countries have been bringing up these issues for years and whenever one of those condamnationthingy was voted for the US vetoed it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,668526,00.html
no wonder people are a bit against them now
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Yeah, but the European Union and other organization explicitly condemned the brutal actions of the IDF. While all Bush said "It's not helpful".
 


<< Yeah, but the European Union and other organization explicitly condemned the brutal actions of the IDF. While all Bush said "It's not helpful". >>


true and in a way Bush is right, but thats only if you think very short, because allowing the IDF to continue its brutal actions in Palestine will damage the peace process way more than the UN condamning the IDF.
 


<< according to scientific studdies published few months ago the Israelis and all the other "desert dudes"😉 have close enough dna to be considered the same "race" as in the Israelis are no different than the "desert dudes" just different religion and culture.
Why the US thinks so differently than Europe, that is most likely because of history.
and oh yeah, the US shares almost the same view on Israelis actions now. >>


Does the European Union think the same way the US does about Palestinian suicide bombers/Random Palestinians jumping into classrooms to shoot up religious students?
 


<< Does the European Union think the same way the US does about Palestinian suicide bombers/Random Palestinians jumping into classrooms to shoot up religious students? >>


Yes, but the difference is how to solve the problem. It is kinda obvios that current IDF actions will never work no matter what they do. Force is not the way to solve this.


edit..
The Palestinian terrorist attacks are not a valid excuse for the IDF to attack and kill innocent palestinians.
 


<< Does the European Union think the same way the US does about Palestinian suicide bombers/Random Palestinians jumping into classrooms to shoot up religious students?
>>



Definitely, but the IDF actions will just breed more of those attacks and future terrorists no matter what they do. Also, the IDF is causing more casualties among Palestinian civilians than the terrorist do among Israelis civilians.

Despite all of that, peace in the region seems now possible more than anytime before... maybe because of necessity more than a willingness.
 


<< Despite all of that, peace in the region seems now possible more than anytime before... maybe because of necessity more than a willingness. >>


I hope so but because of the massive actions taken by the IDF lately directed to so many civilians hate in for the israelis in palestine will increase even more. If peace will come and again I say I hope it will there will be very very hostile relations between Israel and Palestine for a long time. Thats why international peaceforces have to be put on the borders and a buffer zone created. But thats just what I think😛
 


<< Definitely, but the IDF actions will just breed more of those attacks and future terrorists no matter what they do. Also, the IDF is causing more casualties among Palestinian civilians than the terrorist do among Israelis civilians. >>


I always thought the IDF incursions came about as a reaction to terrorism 😕

So if the IDF totally pulled out, would the terrorism stop? Probably not...
If the terrorism stopped, would the IDF pull out? You bet 😉
 


<< I always thought the IDF incursions came about as a reaction to terrorism 😕

So if the IDF totally pulled out, would the terrorism stop? Probably not...
If the terrorism stopped, would the IDF pull out? You bet 😉 >>


Yes and the terrorism happend because of IDF actions, a very very stupid cycle of violence. But the invasion in Palestine for the last few days has not been as a reaction to terrorism but to try to stop terrorism all together by capturing terrorist and terrorising the people. What actually happaned is that they got very few terrorists and just made the people hate the Israelis more.

We all know that because of IDF presence in the Palestine it will just result to more terrorist attacks so its pointless to have them there. If they leave then its up to the Palestinians to stop the terrorist attacks and there is a chance of that happening but none if the IDF stays there.
 
So if the IDF totally pulled out, would the terrorism stop? Probably not...
If the terrorism stopped, would the IDF pull out? You bet

The IDF pulled out of Ramallah and will end its illegal occupation soon, would this stop terrorism? Probably not. It never did, and will never work in stopping terrorism. The Israelis know this very much, why? Because they're tried it over, over, and over and it never deterred Palestinians from fighting back.

The root of terrorism lies in the occupation of Palestinian lands among several well known and obvious reasons to all of us.




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Wow! Another "let's have fun bashing the heck out of Israel" thread. How original
 >>



Please post something with 'real' content, or be silent.
 
Israel should abandon all settlements and move back to the '48 borders. Then, and only then, will the world realize that it's more than just the "occupation." For Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Hizbollah will continue to exist, and they will still be actively attempting to drive what's left of Israel into the Mediterranean.

I give up. 🙁
 


<< Israel should abandon all settlements and move back to the '48 borders. Then, and only then, will the world realize that it's more than just the "occupation." For Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Hizbollah will continue to exist, and they will still be actively attempting to drive what's left of Israel into the Mediterranean.

I give up. 🙁 >>


maybe, thats why palestine should not get direct independance right away, it must be taken in steps and the possibly soon to be Palestine government must work with international forces of disbanding all terrorist groups, it might work.
 


<<
Israel should abandon all settlements and move back to the '48 borders. Then, and only then, will the world realize that it's more than just the "occupation." For Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Hizbollah will continue to exist, and they will still be actively attempting to drive what's left of Israel into the Mediterranean.
>>



In case you don't know. The Saudis proposed a plan in which all arab countries shall enjoy full normalization with Israelis if they withdraw to the 1967 borders along a Palestinian state with internationally recognized borders.

The initiative gained support from nearly all Arabs, europeans, the US, and Israelis.

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BARBARA WALTERS, ABCNEWS: You have come up with a vision for peace in the Middle East which has gained support from more than 60 countries around the world. Can you tell us what motivated you to do this now?

CROWN PRINCE ABDULLAH, SAUDI ARABIA: Many reasons. First, I was motivated by a lack of justice in the world. Second, I was motivated by a lack of feeling for humanity and compassion. Third, I wanted to show the world that the Arab and Muslim people seek peace.

WALTERS: You have called for "full normalization" of relations with Israel if Israel returns to the 1967 borders. Does that mean an exchange of ambassadors, resumption of trade and full diplomatic recognition?

CROWN PRINCE ABDULLAH: Yes, what I said was normal relations, just as we have with other countries.

WALTERS: Will you present your proposal at the Arab Summit?

CROWN PRINCE ABDULLAH: Yes.

WALTERS: Have your Arab brothers agreed?

CROWN PRINCE ABDULLAH: Most of them have.

WALTERS: Including Syria?

CROWN PRINCE ABDULLAH: Yes.

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So please stop your "throwing Israel in the sea" thingie, that was the 60's dude.
 
Ah Boltcase. Our resident Palestinian (read: terrorist) afficionado.

Wie geht's my warped little friend? Nice to see you return after that little butt whooping you took last Sunday.

With regret, I'm setting up a server at the moment so I'll have to deal with you later.
 


<< In case you don't know. The Saudis proposed a plan in which all arab countries shall enjoy full normalization with Israelis if they withdraw to the 1967 borders along a Palestinian state with internationally recognized borders.

The initiative gained support from nearly all Arabs, europeans, the US, and Israelis. >>


And what Arab nations have agreed to this so-called plan? This is the same plan that has been floating around since the 1980's. It's nothing new.
 
Israel's neighbors won't be satisfied until there is no longer a Jewish state in the Middle East. Israel should just give up and every Jewish Israeli should immigrate to other parts of the world.
 
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