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So Why aren't Israelis 'desert dudes' ?

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<< I have a feeling that Israel won't survive, and that most of the world won't give a damn. >>


I surely hope they will and I surely hope the saudi's peace treaty will be signed
 


<< Yes and the terrorism happend because of IDF actions, a very very stupid cycle of violence. >>


The intifadeh started because of IDF actions?
 


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Israel's neighbors won't be satisfied until there is no longer a Jewish state in the Middle East. Israel should just give up and every Jewish Israeli should immigrate to other parts of the world.
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No. What the Arabs are asking is sensible: End the ILLEGAL occupation of Palestinian lands in full exchange of normal relations and peace.

We must cherish and support this proposal instead of attacking it. As I said earlier, the European Union, the US, among many other countries have expressed full support of the propasal. It's the only hope left.
 


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<< Yes and the terrorism happend because of IDF actions, a very very stupid cycle of violence. >>


The intifadeh started because of IDF actions? >>


right now it doesn matter who started it, it matters that right now it is a stupid cycle of violence and right now it matters the most who is going to start ending it
 


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<< Yes and the terrorism happend because of IDF actions, a very very stupid cycle of violence. >>


The intifadeh started because of IDF actions? >>


right now it doesn matter who started it, it matters that right now it is a stupid cycle of violence and right now it matters the most who is going to start ending it >>


That doesn't really answer the question...would there be all the IDF action if there was no intifadeh?
 


<< That doesn't really answer the question...would there be all the IDF action if there was no intifadeh? >>


Most likely not in the same extence as they have been, but would there be terrorists if there was no occupation? most likely not either.
 


<< Most likely not in the same extence as they have been, but would there be terrorists if there was no occupation? most likely not either. >>


oh c'mon czar, you know history a little better than that.
 


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<< Most likely not in the same extence as they have been, but would there be terrorists if there was no occupation? most likely not either. >>


oh c'mon czar, you know history a little better than that. >>


I'm not talking history, I'm talking what could happen, one thing leads to another.
 


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<< That doesn't really answer the question...would there be all the IDF action if there was no intifadeh? >>


Most likely not in the same extence as they have been, but would there be terrorists if there was no occupation? most likely not either. >>


Wait a second...so when the Palestinians exploded into the Intifadeh, the Israelis should have done nothing and just hoped it would stop?

And here's an extension of the original idea:
If the Palestinian terrorism stopped, would the IDF would stop going after Palestinians? Yup
If the IDF stopped going after Palestinians, would the suicide bombing stop? Probably not 🙁
 
boltcase - i remember reading somewhere that israel uses more water per person then any other country in that region

therefore they are tropical d00ds !
 


<< Wie geht's my warped little friend? Nice to see you return after that little butt whooping you took last Sunday.

With regret, I'm setting up a server at the moment so I'll have to deal with you later.
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Wie schade, we all have to leave some time to do things like "eat" and "socialize" 🙂 don't you agree?

and maybe we should appoint you as the anadtech's official Zionist Filth Correspondent, flashy title indeed 😀
 


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<< Most likely not in the same extence as they have been, but would there be terrorists if there was no occupation? most likely not either. >>


oh c'mon czar, you know history a little better than that. >>


I'm not talking history, I'm talking what could happen, one thing leads to another. >>


Of course. Killing is sad whenever it happens.

I'm not trying to say that Israel is without fault. But you can't badmouth Israel without at the same time remembering that there would be nothing* if Palestinians had not started the Intifadeh.

*or at least nowhere near to the same extent
 


<< << Most likely not in the same extence as they have been, but would there be terrorists if there was no occupation? most likely not either. >>


oh c'mon czar, you know history a little better than that. >>


I'm not talking history, I'm talking what could happen, one thing leads to another. >>


yes, but that's wishful thinking. you know full well that for Israel to achieve peace they will have to absorb continuing terrorist violence without reprisal. kind of tough to swallow, don't you think?
 


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<< Wie geht's my warped little friend? Nice to see you return after that little butt whooping you took last Sunday.

With regret, I'm setting up a server at the moment so I'll have to deal with you later.
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Wie schade, we all have to leave some time to do things like "eat" and "socialize" 🙂 don't you agree?

and maybe we should appoint you as the anadtech's official Zionist Filth Correspondent, flashy title indeed 😀 >>


As long as I still get to be "Sexiest Man Alive" 😀
 


<< Wait a second...so when the Palestinians exploded into the Intifadeh, the Israelis should have done nothing and just hoped it would stop?

And here's an extension of the original idea:
If the Palestinian terrorism stopped, would the IDF would stop going after Palestinians? Yup
If the IDF stopped going after Palestinians, would the suicide bombing stop? Probably not 🙁 >>


In no way should the israelis just sit back and do nothing, but should they have taken the palestinian people hostage? no.
If the terrorism stopped then the IDF would stop, most likely. But as long as the IDF stays in palestine and no peace treaty signed then the terrorism will continue, that is a fact that has been prooven. The IDF must leave palestine and a peace trieaty signed if there is ever going to be peace there.
 


<< Wait a second...so when the Palestinians exploded into the Intifadeh, the Israelis should have done nothing and just hoped it would stop? >>



They should have continued peace talks instead of using brutal force that only increased the attacks against Israelis, it achieved nothing, nothing.

The Intifada is because of the illegal occupation of Israelis of Palestinian lands under international law, the continuous violation of human right, the continuous violation of the Hague and Geneva convections, and the demolishing of Palestinian homes to build new ones for the shi*ttie settlers.

 


<< yes, but that's wishful thinking. you know full well that for Israel to achieve peace they will have to absorb continuing terrorist violence without reprisal. kind of tough to swallow, don't you think? >>


Sadly Israel will most likely have to take one or two blows after a peace treaty is signed. Nothing will change unless a peace treaty will be signed and the current situation is unacceptable to everyone.
 


<< No. What the Arabs are asking is sensible: End the ILLEGAL occupation of Palestinian lands in full exchange of normal relations and peace. >>


First of all, the "occupation" is not illegal (but that's really not important at the moment). Secondly, I I have no problem with two states side by side living in peace and harmony, but that's not what the Arab/Muslim world wants. They simply don't want a small (but powerful) Jewish state in their backyard. It embarrasses them. Qaddafi, for example, said very recently that he would recognize a Jewish state if and only if it were located in Alaska.
 


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<< No. What the Arabs are asking is sensible: End the ILLEGAL occupation of Palestinian lands in full exchange of normal relations and peace. >>


First of all, the "occupation" is not illegal (but that's really not important at the moment). Secondly, I I have no problem with two states side by side living in peace and harmony, but that's not what the Arab/Muslim world wants. They simply don't want a small (but powerful) Jewish state in their backyard. Qaddafi, for example, said very recently that he would recognize a Jewish state if and only if it were located in Alaska. >>


well not according to the Saudi's peace plan, then Israel will be accepted among the middle east countries.

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and why is it not illegal?
 


<< well not according to the Saudi's peace plan, then Israel will be accepted among the middle east countries. >>


What countries have said they would accept the plan? Syria and Libya have already said that they wouldn't (and I'm sure Iran wouldn't either). BTW, Qaddafi made that Alaska remark in response to the plan. The bottom line is that the Arab world is embarrassed to have a strong Jewish state in their backyard. It's a matter of pride to them.


 


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First of all, the "occupation" is not illegal (but that's really not important at the moment).
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Who says that it's legal? Vespasian Himself? wow!!

The US, the UN, the European union, and the Israelis themselves know that it's illegal. Either post something meaningful or remain silent, oh please 🙂



<< Secondly, I I have no problem with two states side by side living in peace and harmony, but that's not what the Arab/Muslim world wants. They simply don't want a small (but powerful) Jewish state in their backyard. Qaddafi, for example, said very recently that he would recognize a Jewish state if and only if it were located in Alaska.
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The Arabs have expressed their intentions already with the Saudi peace plan, do you want them to send you a special ambassador to convince you?

Also, no one really cares for what Lybia says, they don't represent the Arabs. Egypt, Saudi Arabia, ALL gulf states, Syria AND Lebanon, among other Arab nations, support the plan. The European Union gave it FULL support, the US supports it, the main stream Israelis are willing to support it.

The extremists from both sides will try to oppose the plan, and they shall fail.
 


<< What countries have said they would accept the plan? Syria and Libya have already said that they wouldn't (and I'm sure Iran wouldn't either). BTW, Qaddafi made that Alaska remark in response to the plan. The bottom line is that the Arab world is embarrassed to have a strong Jewish state in their backyard. It's a matter of pride to them.
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Oh god, here we go again:

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WALTERS: You have called for "full normalization" of relations with Israel if Israel returns to the 1967 borders. Does that mean an exchange of ambassadors, resumption of trade and full diplomatic recognition?

CROWN PRINCE ABDULLAH: Yes, what I said was normal relations, just as we have with other countries.

WALTERS: Will you present your proposal at the Arab Summit?

CROWN PRINCE ABDULLAH: Yes.

WALTERS: Have your Arab brothers agreed?

CROWN PRINCE ABDULLAH: Most of them have.

WALTERS: Including Syria?

CROWN PRINCE ABDULLAH: Yes.
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Now stop your war mongering hatred, please.
 
The only time in the past 3,000 years that the Jews did not live in Judea and Samaria (now collectively known as the West Bank) was when Jordan occuppied the land from 1948-1967.

 
Boltcase
You are so full of crap. You have the audacity to start a thread asking why Israeli's aren't "desert dudes," and then accuse me of being a hate-mongerer. :|
 


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The only time in the past 3,000 years that the Jews did not live in Judea and Samaria (now collectively known as the West Bank) was when Jordan occupied the land from 1948-1967.
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why stop at 3,000 years? you think the earth was created with Jews living in the west bank you troll? :Q

Anyway, Jordan didn't 'occupy' any land. It's a Palestinian land, ever wondered why the US called it "occupied territories "? Ever wondered why Israelis call it 'occupied Palestinian territories' ? Have you ever heard of the 1948 UN resolution? or any subsequent ones?

Can you please stop your ignorance for like 30 seconds? I beg you.
 
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