So who's at fault here? *UPDATED*

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: quasarsky

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: quasarsky

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82

Originally posted by: quasarsky

Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82

Originally posted by: quasarsky

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Personally, I think tfinch2 has a right to leave a neutral to negative heat. The buyer is unaccomodating to other people and I would like to know that if I were in a future trade.

are u people for real? i paid tfinch2 his money. getting a negative or neutral and he got his money timely and quickly?

are u serious?

i'm done explaining myself. i'm not at fault here. i'm not wasting anymore of my time.

Paying the seller their money is NOT the end of your obligation to the trade. Your obligation to the ends whenever disputes have been resolved. If a dispute cannot be resolved after a period of time that is reasonable then your obligation to the sale / trade has ended and heat may be left appropirately. You were too quick to act in my opinion and that was WRONG. You are at fault for your neutral or negative feedback you get in return and I believe that you deserve at least neutral if not negative feedback for your actions.

lets see. i get a broken scanner, and wonderfully, because of my neutral heat, i deserve a neutral one or a negative one.

so buyer gets a broken scanner + leaves neutral heat
and should receive negative or neutral heat

i think u all have a backwards understanding of heat.

Because of your neutral heat that was left less than 1 1/2 hours (I may be reading time stamps wrong) after your original PM saying that the thing was broken. THIS is the problem that everyone has with your trading ethics. The fact that you left a neutral heat isnt the problem. The fact that you left neutral heat after only giving the seller 1 1/2 hours to fix the problem before leaving the neutral heat is.
I could go to my brother-in-laws and play some pool for an hour and a half. Take a shower, go to the bathroom, shave, run to pick up some dinner and it'd take an hour and a half.

You were unreasonable in your expectations. Sometimes I leave Anandtech browser open and go to get a glass of water (can take 2 minutes) then come back, realize the window is still open, close it and go to some other webpage thinking that there is no way that this guy has sent me a message yet it's only been 10 minutes.

Realize that you are wrong in leaving a neutral heat without proper time being allowed for seller to contact you back and this thread can be over. To continue making fun of people only makes you look worse. This is why I always give my telephone number to those I trade with. I may only have a few heat but all are great. If there is a problem my telephone number has been PM'd to the person I have made a deal with more than once so that they could get ahold of me at any time if necessary. I will continue to do this now after reading this thread.


It is you who do not have a very good handle on heat (or reality itself). If you recieved a broken scanner you should have contacted the seller (which you did) gave him a day or two to respond with an action that could be taken by him (weather it be a refund and return of shipping costs or something of that nature)(WHICH YOU DID NOT). That is where you went wrong.

Correction, he didn't contact me. I contacted him...

yeah. i told u it was broken, u said when was i going to tell you, and think i wouldn't be sending u other pm's in the next few minutes? whatever dude.

everyone is backing you because you got thousands of more posts than me. thanks to the person that told me this. i knew i wasn't in the wrong. i appreciate the pm man. Cheers :thumbsup:

Why don't you make THAT PM public eh?

I'm not backing him up. He hasn't handled this as well as he could have either. It has nothing to do with postcount. It has everything to do with your attitude in this whole thread.

You are in the wrong. Period.

/thread

because he's had retalitory heat done to him before and he doesn't feel like gettin flamed by u asses. thats all. i don't blame him.

seems like this person backed me too

Originally posted by: deadlyapp
leaving the retaliatory negative heat was way worse than the neutral, you did not have grounds to do that.

There was a misunderstanding. I think that a neutral is fair, especially if the product did not work, but if the seller was willing to replace it, or refund it, then it should be a positive, even if it didnt turn out how either of you would have liked.

I think positives on both ends should be the outcome for this trade, as well as lengthy descriptions on the trade.

read the whole thread dude. before u start talking with ur arse.

uggh the smell! :thumbsdown::laugh:

Hey dickhead, that retaliatory heat WAS NEVER PLACED!!! Read your own damn thread you moron.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: buck
Please someone tell me that isnt his pic.......

Oh it is...pulled off of his myspace page and he confirmed it.

Oh God...

Well, that DOES explain quite a bit I guess.........

Definitely a candidate for POTY 2006.

 

[OfficeLinebacker]

Originally posted by: quasarsky
whatever. my problem isn't with the shipping. i even said that u shipped it quickly. so what if i wasn't here on the 27th when it arrived? i was back home on the 30th and thats when i received it.

OK so wait, it's not your fault you weren't at your home for three days to receive the package, but it IS his fault he was away from AT for an hour?

Mr. Pot, may I introduce Mr. Kettle?

 

[Schfifty Five]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: buck
Please someone tell me that isnt his pic.......

Oh it is...pulled off of his myspace page and he confirmed it.

Oh God...

Well, that DOES explain quite a bit I guess.........

Definitely a candidate for POTY 2006.

I second the nomination for POTY 2006. It may be early, but damn this is some serious pwnage.

 

[dpopiz]

you are for posting this message

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: dpopiz
you are for posting this message

:roll:

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

I think the neg was deserved for the buyer's shady actions. His haste and quick pursuit of a replacement from Canon makes me wonder if he didn't do something to damage the scanner himself. Had it really been shipped DOA, his hasty actions lead me to believe he would have been all over the seller wanting a refund or replacement. He saw an opportunity to take advantage of the seller and get a replacement from Canon IMHO.

 

[Philippine Mango]

Hey guys, lets compile a list of ALL THE PEOPLE we will never trade with!

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Hey guys, lets compile a list of ALL THE PEOPLE we will never trade with!

quasarsky....check

Phillipino Manjuice....check

 

[Philippine Mango]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Hey guys, lets compile a list of ALL THE PEOPLE we will never trade with!

quasarsky....check

Phillipino Manjuice....check

Wow, thanks for your wonderful creativity! :roll: Admit it, you've got no fscking reason for not wanting to trade with my besides the fact that you're a douche.

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: Philippine Mango

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: Philippine Mango
Hey guys, lets compile a list of ALL THE PEOPLE we will never trade with!

quasarsky....check

Phillipino Manjuice....check

Wow, thanks for your wonderful creativity! :roll: Admit it, you've got no fscking reason for not wanting to trade with my besides the fact that you're a douche.

Are we going to have another 15 pages between you two now? I WILL find your Myspace accounts (you have them...DON'T LIE!) and I WILL post pictures and make fun of you!!

Consider yourself warned.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: OdiN

Are we going to have another 15 pages between you two now? I WILL find your Myspace accounts (you have them...DON'T LIE!) and I WILL post pictures and make fun of you!!

Consider yourself warned.

dont think i could handle another 15 pages of these nesgted quotes.

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: OdiN

Are we going to have another 15 pages between you two now? I WILL find your Myspace accounts (you have them...DON'T LIE!) and I WILL post pictures and make fun of you!!

Consider yourself warned.

dont think i could handle another 15 pages of these nesgted quotes.

They get quite annoying.

Oh...oops.

 

[The Batt?sai]

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=45&threadid=1734042&enterthread=y

Why do many not give an honest eval?
You are afraid of retaliation (false negative eval, etc.).

This may be an annoyance, but it should not be a long term problem. Bogus negative evals clearly made of pure spite will be removed. You can contact Heatware, the Troll Hunters or our moderators for assistance. Any trader who leaves an obviously undeserved, bogus eval risks being permanently banned.


You don't want hard feelings.

So? What are they going to do other than talk dirty to you?


You may think (or be convinced) this is a onetime thing and wish to give them another chance.

Ok, but the problem is, many people may have the same hesitation. How many others who may have dealt with that same individual have thought the same thing and gone through the same wringer because of such actions by the same bad trader?
"But he's a nice guy" is not a reason not to leave a deserved bad eval.
Of course, there are other reasons you may not want to leave an honest eval such as fear of making an enemy who may retaliate by sending viruses, threats, etc. If that happens (being sent a virus, threats, etc.), let us and the Troll Hunters know. They will be stopped.

The vast majority of our traders are good, honest people. Please be fair to them, and leave an honest eval.

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: quasarsky
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=45&threadid=1734042&enterthread=y

Why do many not give an honest eval?
You are afraid of retaliation (false negative eval, etc.).

This may be an annoyance, but it should not be a long term problem. Bogus negative evals clearly made of pure spite will be removed. You can contact Heatware, the Troll Hunters or our moderators for assistance. Any trader who leaves an obviously undeserved, bogus eval risks being permanently banned.


You don't want hard feelings.

So? What are they going to do other than talk dirty to you?


You may think (or be convinced) this is a onetime thing and wish to give them another chance.

Ok, but the problem is, many people may have the same hesitation. How many others who may have dealt with that same individual have thought the same thing and gone through the same wringer because of such actions by the same bad trader?
"But he's a nice guy" is not a reason not to leave a deserved bad eval.
Of course, there are other reasons you may not want to leave an honest eval such as fear of making an enemy who may retaliate by sending viruses, threats, etc. If that happens (being sent a virus, threats, etc.), let us and the Troll Hunters know. They will be stopped.

The vast majority of our traders are good, honest people. Please be fair to them, and leave an honest eval.

Yeah...I'd say a negative in your case is pretty honest.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: quasarsky
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=45&threadid=1734042&enterthread=y

Rip Offs - How to avoid them and what to do first if you think it has happened to you:

1. Always ship with insurance and tracking #'s. If shipping expensive items, ship with delivery confirmation.

2. Know your shipper's terms of service. For example, Fedex Ground states under Liabilities Not Assumed it will not be held liable for

Damage to computers, or any components thereof, or any electronic equipment, unless such items are shipped in the manufacturer?s original packaging, which is undamaged and has retained a good, rigid condition. Laptop computers may also be shipped in a FedEx Laptop Box. In the event the original packaging is not available or is not in good, rigid condition, FedEx Kinko?s provides packaging services.

3. Always ask for a real name and home address, especially when trading with somebody who is unknown or has no heatware evals.

4. Always have other party ship first a if trader is unknown or has no heatware evals.

5. Always do a search on a trader if you are unsure of his credibility.

6. If you do not receive the goods/money right away, email the other trader, and request action.

7. If said trader does not respond in two working days, email again. Be patient.

8. If said trader does not respond within one week, contact the Troll Hunters. They are a group of established traders with a lot of experience who work across several forums chasing thieves and other bad traders and helping to resolve trading disputes.

9. Please do not jump to conclusions until a reasonable amount of time has passed. Two weeks with no response is a sure bet that something is wrong.

10. Do not make decisions while you are upset. Only post or email us after you have calmed down. This is most important. Making decisions while enraged will not help your cause; it can only hurt it.

11. Do not post derogatory remarks about said trader. Instead, post your situation in a calm and friendly manner. Flaming will only raise tempers, hurting your chance of getting your goods or money back.

12. Ask if anyone else has had trouble with said trader. It is always good to know as much as possible when trading with someone, especially if you think you got ripped by that person.

13. If said trader does not rectify situation, and action is requred, post a negative heatware eval for said trader.

14. If said trader does not rectify situation, and action is required, we will post a thread stating "Do not trade with this person." If said trader straightens out the mess he/she has created, and everyone who is involved is satisfied, we will delete and/or retract the statement.

15. Please use common sense when trading.

16. When emailing a buyer or seller, be sure to include the name of the forum or BBS where the transaction occured in the topic or message and, if appropriate, your Anandtech ID and/or email address that you use.

17. You can file complaints about Internet fraud directly with the FBI at theirInternet Fraud Complaint Center (IFFC).

18. Post heatware evals for your deals, especially if requested to do so by the other trader. If you were treated well, a good eval is part of the deal, and the trader has earned it. If you were not treated well, other traders need to know what went wrong.

Last but not least............

19. Be nice and courteous, Nobody likes to be spoken to in a RUDE manner.

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: quasarsky
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=45&threadid=1734042&enterthread=y

Rip Offs - How to avoid them and what to do first if you think it has happened to you:

1. Always ship with insurance and tracking #'s. If shipping expensive items, ship with delivery confirmation.

2. Know your shipper's terms of service. For example, Fedex Ground states under Liabilities Not Assumed it will not be held liable for

Damage to computers, or any components thereof, or any electronic equipment, unless such items are shipped in the manufacturer?s original packaging, which is undamaged and has retained a good, rigid condition. Laptop computers may also be shipped in a FedEx Laptop Box. In the event the original packaging is not available or is not in good, rigid condition, FedEx Kinko?s provides packaging services.

3. Always ask for a real name and home address, especially when trading with somebody who is unknown or has no heatware evals.

4. Always have other party ship first a if trader is unknown or has no heatware evals.

5. Always do a search on a trader if you are unsure of his credibility.

6. If you do not receive the goods/money right away, email the other trader, and request action.

7. If said trader does not respond in two working days, email again. Be patient.

8. If said trader does not respond within one week, contact the Troll Hunters. They are a group of established traders with a lot of experience who work across several forums chasing thieves and other bad traders and helping to resolve trading disputes.

9. Please do not jump to conclusions until a reasonable amount of time has passed. Two weeks with no response is a sure bet that something is wrong.

10. Do not make decisions while you are upset. Only post or email us after you have calmed down. This is most important. Making decisions while enraged will not help your cause; it can only hurt it.

11. Do not post derogatory remarks about said trader. Instead, post your situation in a calm and friendly manner. Flaming will only raise tempers, hurting your chance of getting your goods or money back.

12. Ask if anyone else has had trouble with said trader. It is always good to know as much as possible when trading with someone, especially if you think you got ripped by that person.

13. If said trader does not rectify situation, and action is requred, post a negative heatware eval for said trader.

14. If said trader does not rectify situation, and action is required, we will post a thread stating "Do not trade with this person." If said trader straightens out the mess he/she has created, and everyone who is involved is satisfied, we will delete and/or retract the statement.

15. Please use common sense when trading.

16. When emailing a buyer or seller, be sure to include the name of the forum or BBS where the transaction occured in the topic or message and, if appropriate, your Anandtech ID and/or email address that you use.

17. You can file complaints about Internet fraud directly with the FBI at theirInternet Fraud Complaint Center (IFFC).

18. Post heatware evals for your deals, especially if requested to do so by the other trader. If you were treated well, a good eval is part of the deal, and the trader has earned it. If you were not treated well, other traders need to know what went wrong.

Last but not least............

19. Be nice and courteous, Nobody likes to be spoken to in a RUDE manner.

:beer:

 

[razor2025]

quasarsky kinda reminds me of that crazy "indian" kid spewing crap not too long ago. Thanks for the entertainment.

 

[imported_malcontent]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: quasarsky
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=45&threadid=1734042&enterthread=y

9. Please do not jump to conclusions until a reasonable amount of time has passed. Two weeks with no response is a sure bet that something is wrong.

#9 seems to be of importance here.

 

[TerumoII]

Originally posted by: OdiN
There really shouldn't be a thread about this - it puts both your names out there and an established trader like myself may be less likely to want to deal with either of you.

Actually, threads like this point out there's issues between both parties which the general AT community should be aware of -- so they can choose to deal with either party (and their supporters) again.

In this situation I favor quasarsky's side for these reasons:

1. Package arrived on the 27th but he didn't get it until the 30th (this is the holiday season and not everyone is at home after Christmas). The package could've well arrived on the 27th, but he could've well not have gotten his hands on it until the 30th as stated. He can very well be telling the total truth. Concluding that he lied on the arrival date says more to me about the accuser in itself (didn't bother to check facts before making accusations).

2. He claims the printer wasn't working. Contacted TFinch2 ASAP about the issue (and not waiting weeks to drop the bomb). Immediate compliants I'd personally would take anyday than facing a 6 month chargeback.

3. Despite it wasn't working, and what is perceived (and yes equally wrongly as assuming that a party lied about a package arrival) as avoiding responsibility, he placed a NEUTRAL heat. That isn't as damaging -- he has every right to give a negative if the product doesn't work and the seller appears to avoid his communications to resolve the issue (returning it for a refund, for example). Now he could've waited, but how long is too long (as the other thread about Cdale at FS/FT is showing??) to resolve the matter? A week? A month? A year? In retail if it's not resolved immediately the retailer could be sued and/or fined.

4. TFinch2 was willing to tell others even in PM who the person was, instead of trying to resolve the dispute in more appropriate channels -- contact heatware and get it settled first. If not resolved, come here and explain the situation instead. Doing otherwise shows a bad sport, especially with "get even" negative heats when the issue wasn't mediated FIRST.

So jumping on quasarsky for coming back to defend himself when the issue was opened and not mediated is equally inappropriate. Until resolved no one knows IF he's a scammer, but at least give the person a chance to resolve the issue where it counts -- with the seller and heatware first before drawing conclusions.

Terumo

 

[jcuadrado]

why would you give him a neutral eval? Because he sent you something that was broken and didn't get back to you with a PM within an hour? That's ludricrous...

hmmm....I've been trading for 6 years here and longer at agn3d (the good ol days) and even though I don't consider myself an elite trader or someone who knows everything regarding trading I can definitely tell you that you're in the wrong. You give a guy ample amount of time to make good on a trade. You didn't do that..you jumped the gun and gave an undeserved neautral eval. Stop being so defensive..it's ok to be wrong...

in this case you are..

 

[OdiN]

Originally posted by: TerumoII

Originally posted by: OdiN
There really shouldn't be a thread about this - it puts both your names out there and an established trader like myself may be less likely to want to deal with either of you.

Actually, threads like this point out there's issues between both parties which the general AT community should be aware of -- so they can choose to deal with either party (and their supporters) again.

In this situation I favor quasarsky's side for these reasons:

1. Package arrived on the 27th but he didn't get it until the 30th (this is the holiday season and not everyone is at home after Christmas). The package could've well arrived on the 27th, but he could've well not have gotten his hands on it until the 30th as stated. He can very well be telling the total truth. Concluding that he lied on the arrival date says more to me about the accuser in itself (didn't bother to check facts before making accusations).

2. He claims the printer wasn't working. Contacted TFinch2 ASAP about the issue (and not waiting weeks to drop the bomb). Immediate compliants I'd personally would take anyday than facing a 6 month chargeback.

3. Despite it wasn't working, and what is perceived (and yes equally wrongly as assuming that a party lied about a package arrival) as avoiding responsibility, he placed a NEUTRAL heat. That isn't as damaging -- he has every right to give a negative if the product doesn't work and the seller appears to avoid his communications to resolve the issue (returning it for a refund, for example). Now he could've waited, but how long is too long (as the other thread about Cdale at FS/FT is showing??) to resolve the matter? A week? A month? A year? In retail if it's not resolved immediately the retailer could be sued and/or fined.

4. TFinch2 was willing to tell others even in PM who the person was, instead of trying to resolve the dispute in more appropriate channels -- contact heatware and get it settled first. If not resolved, come here and explain the situation instead. Doing otherwise shows a bad sport, especially with "get even" negative heats when the issue wasn't mediated FIRST.

So jumping on quasarsky for coming back to defend himself when the issue was opened and not mediated is equally inappropriate. Until resolved no one knows IF he's a scammer, but at least give the person a chance to resolve the issue where it counts -- with the seller and heatware first before drawing conclusions.

Terumo

Did you even READ the thread?

1 - The package arrived on the 27th. It isn't the sellers fault the person wasn't there - it was there in a good amount of time so you can't hold the seller in bad light for slow shipping. Saying it arrived on the 30th isn't true. Delivery may have been re-attempted and succeded, but it actually arrived at it's destination on the 27th.

2 - Again..did you read the thread? It's a scanner, not a printer. He did NOT contact the seller ASAP. (Read the thread??) The seller had to ASK the buyer if everything was okay first. Only after that was there a complaint.

3 - Neutral heat was undeserved at the time. He waited a whole 45 (oh...BTW did you read this thread??) minutes for a response before deciding that the seller was ignoring him. That is absurd. There was no time for the seller to even look like he was avoiding communication. This isn't retail. This is a sale between two individuals - one of which has a life and things to do. To expect someone to sit around a computer waiting all day to be at your beck and call is extremely unreasonable.

4 - All you had to do was look at his heatware and it would be obvious who left the neutral. But I agree he should have went through heatware first.

And finally (uhm..read this thread??) we can jump all over this guy. The reason there was no mediation is because he jumped the gun, waited ONLY 45 MINUTES before deciding in his head that the seller was ignoring him. If he would have had a little bit of patience then there would have easily been some mediation (refund, etc.). Instead he jumped the gun, posted an undeserved neutral based off of his assumptions about the seller and not on fact and then contacted Canon and is getting a new prin...err scanner for free.

You obviously don't know what you are talking about...you're probably quasarsky in disguise or one of his buddies or something.

Next time READ THE THREAD before you make asinine comments like this and then just post as if people should take your posts seriously.

 

[TerumoII]

Originally posted by: waggy
quasarsky dont worry about it. whiel you screwed up so did tflinch2.

but the mob effect (and tflinch is better known) of ATOT is against you. regardless of what exactly is going on. Once a few poeple start saying you are wrong the flow of post are usually fallowing.

You both fvcked up. you for not waiting a day or so and Tflinch for threatning a retalitary negitive. Personally i wouldnt want to deal with either of you. You because you act to fast without thinking and for Tflinch for threatning a negitive. I would be worried about him giving a negitive when he gets one when he deserves it.

Sums up my feelings of this matter exactly. :beer:

Another point that needs to be mentioned. Scams occur and one that's known is upping their heat positives among friends, so they can get a high score. Then when they get a certain mark they'll ask to have things sent first from someone outside their clan. If there's a complaint about non-payment and such, clan members will come in droves to accuse the true victim, and we have a zillion excuse posts demonizing the victim instead.

This is sad, and no doubt occurs at AT as it happens at eBay and other trade/auction sites as well (you'll notice it when a zillion excuses are made for non-delivery and non-payment). It's why I only buy certain products on eBay (discontinued or non locally found products) while buying the rest from retailers (to gain the consumer protections it brings). I will never deal with Monarch Computers again because of the motherboard issue and how they handled it, and let anyone know why for THEIR protection as well. But I can demand refunds quite quickly for non-delivery and poor service from retailers, the same can't be said for trading outside. So buyer be-aware!

Terumo

 

[Schfifty Five]

Originally posted by: TerumoII

Originally posted by: OdiN
There really shouldn't be a thread about this - it puts both your names out there and an established trader like myself may be less likely to want to deal with either of you.

Actually, threads like this point out there's issues between both parties which the general AT community should be aware of -- so they can choose to deal with either party (and their supporters) again.

In this situation I favor quasarsky's side for these reasons:

1. Package arrived on the 27th but he didn't get it until the 30th (this is the holiday season and not everyone is at home after Christmas). The package could've well arrived on the 27th, but he could've well not have gotten his hands on it until the 30th as stated. He can very well be telling the total truth. Concluding that he lied on the arrival date says more to me about the accuser in itself (didn't bother to check facts before making accusations).

2. He claims the printer wasn't working. Contacted TFinch2 ASAP about the issue (and not waiting weeks to drop the bomb). Immediate compliants I'd personally would take anyday than facing a 6 month chargeback.

3. Despite it wasn't working, and what is perceived (and yes equally wrongly as assuming that a party lied about a package arrival) as avoiding responsibility, he placed a NEUTRAL heat. That isn't as damaging -- he has every right to give a negative if the product doesn't work and the seller appears to avoid his communications to resolve the issue (returning it for a refund, for example). Now he could've waited, but how long is too long (as the other thread about Cdale at FS/FT is showing??) to resolve the matter? A week? A month? A year? In retail if it's not resolved immediately the retailer could be sued and/or fined.

4. TFinch2 was willing to tell others even in PM who the person was, instead of trying to resolve the dispute in more appropriate channels -- contact heatware and get it settled first. If not resolved, come here and explain the situation instead. Doing otherwise shows a bad sport, especially with "get even" negative heats when the issue wasn't mediated FIRST.

So jumping on quasarsky for coming back to defend himself when the issue was opened and not mediated is equally inappropriate. Until resolved no one knows IF he's a scammer, but at least give the person a chance to resolve the issue where it counts -- with the seller and heatware first before drawing conclusions.

Terumo

WWYBYWB?

Are you quarsky or one of his friends? Trying to make a new name and show your support for quarsky? good job there buddy.

 

[diapickle]

Registered the day after this thread started...how convenient...