So who likes Military stuff? *unofficial Military topic thread*

[sygyzy]

You know what else doesn't work? YOUR link.

 

[Chaotic42]

I've always had a soft spot in my heart for this guy.

This one, too.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Horus
I can speak from personal experience. The M16 (or as I know it, the C7A1, basically a slightly modified clone of the M16, with single and full-auto modes) is a flaming pile of crap. It's weak, jams, gets INCREDIBLY dirty and requires regular cleaning in order to function. I'd personally like a lightweight, compact carbine which fires 7.62mm.

The M249 (or C9A1) is much like the M16 in terms of reliability...when it gets a little dirty, it stops working. Good rate of fire, though, and the ability to fire from M16 mags is nice.

The M240 is a superior, AMAZING support weapon. Nothing feels better than watchin' that barrel glow a nice rosy-red after pumping through 1000 rounds in 3 minutes on direct fire. Your shoulder hurts after, but it's damn well worth it!

Ironically the M240 is little more than a belt fed Browning Automatic Rifle.

The M2 is also still in service all over the world with nothing coming in the way of successors.

Long lived is the genius of John Moses Browning.

FN and HK get rich rehashing and refining the work of American gun designers.

 

[FoBoT]

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/cno/n87/future/virginia.html

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: destrekor
i love military tech and weaponry.

to comment on the XM8... um it's sad to say it's been cancelled, as was the entire OCIW program, much like the RAH-66 Commanche program (also cancelled).

funding is horrible for the military right now.
damn I'm looking forward to all of the new things because they should be fully deployed during my time in the Army. 🙂

Yeah, its really stupid that got cancelled. As much a fan as I am of the Marines, they don't really need all that new crap like the F-35 JSF, hell, the F-22 isn't out yet, and there is hardly an air war going on/any real threat of planes being shot down.

Here billions of dollars are being spent on really cutting edge equipment, you'd think the Navy and Airforce would be satisfied with their SuperHornets and Raptors, while the Army is using Vietnam era crap. The tanks are good, and the arty I'd reckon, but the meat and potatoes, the Grunts, are fighting with weapons that jam even with good maintenance.

As well as the Army needing some new copters, the blackhawk is good, but the Chinook and the and all them need some sprucing up to the Osprey's levels.

definetly see your point there, but I do see the need for the F-35, because it's a stealth bomber with fighter capabilities.
interesting thing is I have been hearing the Army may be getting the F-35A (a CTOL craft), which if true is a horrible idea. They shouldn't be wasting money to give the Army planes when yea, it needs new birds and guns instead. Give some love to the ground troops.
and the Marines do need the F-35B though, because it will replace the Harrier II and that's a good thing. Harrier's have been plagued with problems and it'll be good to replace it.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Horus
I can speak from personal experience. The M16 (or as I know it, the C7A1, basically a slightly modified clone of the M16, with single and full-auto modes) is a flaming pile of crap. It's weak, jams, gets INCREDIBLY dirty and requires regular cleaning in order to function. I'd personally like a lightweight, compact carbine which fires 7.62mm.

The M249 (or C9A1) is much like the M16 in terms of reliability...when it gets a little dirty, it stops working. Good rate of fire, though, and the ability to fire from M16 mags is nice.

The M240 is a superior, AMAZING support weapon. Nothing feels better than watchin' that barrel glow a nice rosy-red after pumping through 1000 rounds in 3 minutes on direct fire. Your shoulder hurts after, but it's damn well worth it!

Ironically the M240 is little more than a belt fed Browning Automatic Rifle.

The M2 is also still in service all over the world with nothing coming in the way of successors.

Long lived is the genius of John Moses Browning.

FN and HK get rich rehashing and refining the work of American gun designers.

As long as it doesn't jam up and it ain't broke, why fix it?
I'd use a Gatling gun myself though tbh.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: destrekor


definetly see your point there, but I do see the need for the F-35, because it's a stealth bomber with fighter capabilities.
interesting thing is I have been hearing the Army may be getting the F-35A (a CTOL craft), which if true is a horrible idea. They shouldn't be wasting money to give the Army planes when yea, it needs new birds and guns instead. Give some love to the ground troops.
and the Marines do need the F-35B though, because it will replace the Harrier II and that's a good thing. Harrier's have been plagued with problems and it'll be good to replace it.

Yeah, I don't think the Army will get those, becuase they'd be wasting money, but when is the military ever concerned about money? (Somewhat of a good thing I think).

They're working on a device that is computer operated that tracks RPG missiles and then ignites a "forcefield" that hits the warhead-exploding it, while the missile shaft harmlessly hits the APC, Tank, Copter or any vehicle armed with said force field.
The Israelis are working on that, but thats about the only cool thing I can think of that the army is getting.

 

[quentinterintino]

Originally posted by: TehMac
I dunno, I got bored, and I felt like making this sorta topic.

I work at the world's only Marine Avation Museum, so I'm pretty interested in the stuff, especially after playing BF2 for a while.

I also feel the American Military could be a little spruced up in terms of some of its equipment, like their M16A4s. -_-

They need to get those XM8 out or our guns will keep going down the crapper. Even though they're automatic, they're a bastardized version of the M16A1, which jams like a mofo, and that ain't good.
Also, any marines, soldiers, pilots, or anyone like that, I'd enjoy some of your comments.
So commence comments and questions in teh ATOT Military thread!

PS: If this is somehow a repost, don't sue me.

Are you at NAS Pensacola or at Quantico?

 

[Meatyone]

Originally posted by: TehMac
Anyone know of any other Army plans that are still in the works? I hope that new secretary of defense gets his act together and starts having it so that we're actually winning the war, in his opinion.

The latest generation of IAWS is supposed to have passed the latest round of tests at the Aberdeen and Yuma proving grounds. The first two generations of test systems, manufactured jointly by Lockheed Martin and Motorola and other subcontractors, were prone to override lockout and other problems with redundancy and mobility systems. The 3rd generation, IAWS-III (Intelligent Autonomous Weapons System III) appears to have met all operational targets thanks to collaboration with Sun Microsystems and IBM. It is rumored the system integrates the first functional quantum processors and high-engergy particle weapons. The IAWS also incorporates a conventional solid projectile weapons subsystem utilizing the standard NATO 5.56mm round. It is a fully upright bipedal platform mobile in all terrain conditions and capable of operating independently of any human command oversight.

The system weighs just 122 kilos and in "high activity" mode may remain in the theatre of operations for over 50 hours without recharge. It can anticipate many human tactical maneuvers and utilizes emergent learning capabilities to constantly refine anticipatory gaming routines. In recent tests, according to Jane's Defence Weekly, the platform was able to operate for 72 hours in a hostile desert test environment evading detection and correctly distinguishing hostile from friendly forces in 100% of all contact situations. In 94% of contacts the IAWS-III was able to supress enemy combatants before detection, and in the remaining 6% of cases targets were supressed with less than 4 rounds of conventional ammunition expended. The IAWS was fired upon twice in 72 hours of testing at Yuma but was never hit due to intervention of FAAR (Fire Anticipation and Avoidance Routines). For brief periods of peak conflict FAAR may override normal combat neural wetware systems when deemed necesary by Survival and Attack priority algorithms.

The system has proved sufficiently robust that the DoD has quietly placed a contract for 100 units at a cost of 17 millions dollars per unit to be delivered beginning mid 2007. There is some speculation that there is a desire within certain defense circles to test the system in Iraq before the large scale reduction of U.S. and Coalition forces there anticipated in 2008.

I can't find any photos right now, but it is the coolest thing I have heard about in quite a while. Let's see if it really works.

 

[Meatyone]

Originally posted by: TehMac

[The Israelis are working on that, but thats about the only cool thing I can think of that the army is getting.

You obviously haven't heard about the IAWS-III

 

[forrestroche]

Originally posted by: Meatyone

Originally posted by: TehMac
Anyone know of any other Army plans that are still in the works? I hope that new secretary of defense gets his act together and starts having it so that we're actually winning the war, in his opinion.

The latest generation of IAWS is supposed to have passed the latest round of tests at the Aberdeen and Yuma proving grounds. The first two generations of test systems, manufactured jointly by Lockheed Martin and Motorola and other subcontractors, were prone to override lockout and other problems with redundancy and mobility systems. The 3rd generation, IAWS-III (Intelligent Autonomous Weapons System III) appears to have met all operational targets thanks to collaboration with Sun Microsystems and IBM. It is rumored the system integrates the first functional quantum processors and high-engergy particle weapons. The IAWS also incorporates a conventional solid projectile weapons subsystem utilizing the standard NATO 5.56mm round. It is a fully upright bipedal platform mobile in all terrain conditions and capable of operating independently of any human command oversight.

The system weighs just 122 kilos and in "high activity" mode may remain in the theatre of operations for over 50 hours without recharge. It can anticipate many human tactical maneuvers and utilizes emergent learning capabilities to constantly refine anticipatory gaming routines. In recent tests, according to Jane's Defence Weekly, the platform was able to operate for 72 hours in a hostile desert test environment evading detection and correctly distinguishing hostile from friendly forces in 100% of all contact situations. In 94% of contacts the IAWS-III was able to supress enemy combatants before detection, and in the remaining 6% of cases targets were supressed with less than 4 rounds of conventional ammunition expended. The IAWS was fired upon twice in 72 hours of testing at Yuma but was never hit due to intervention of FAAR (Fire Anticipation and Avoidance Routines). For brief periods of peak conflict FAAR may override normal combat neural wetware systems when deemed necesary by Survival and Attack priority algorithms.

The system has proved sufficiently robust that the DoD has quietly placed a contract for 100 units at a cost of 17 millions dollars per unit to be delivered beginning mid 2007. There is some speculation that there is a desire within certain defense circles to test the system in Iraq before the large scale reduction of U.S. and Coalition forces there anticipated in 2008.

I can't find any photos right now, but it is the coolest thing I have heard about in quite a while. Let's see if it really works.

I read in Popular Mechanics that the system has real critics though. This thing works on it's own, without anyone telling it what to do. It's basically (no, not basically, it IS) a robot that carries some serious hardware that makes it's own decisions about who to waste, who not. And a friend forwarded my an LA Times article that said the test stats have been massaged (or quotes someone who says they were). Anyway, the thing sounds frikkin DANGEROUS to me.

 

[Meatyone]

Originally posted by: forrestroche
I read in Popular Mechanics that the system has real critics though. This thing works on it's own, without anyone telling it what to do. It's basically (no, not basically, it IS) a robot that carries some serious hardware that makes it's own decisions about who to waste, who not. And a friend forwarded my an LA Times article that said the test stats have been massaged (or quotes someone who says they were). Anyway, the thing sounds frikkin DANGEROUS to me.

Its supposed to be dangerous, duh. And of course it goes it on its own - when you spend 17 million bucks on an armed terrestrial drone warrior it had better be able to think for itself. If not, then "whoops, we lost radio contact, oh, we got it back, oh, gee, they shot our 17 million dollar machine with an RPG..."

 

[forrestroche]

Dangerous as in what if the frakkin thing goes haywire? Haven't you seen the movie 2001 Space Odyssey? Stealth? Do I really need to go on?

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: quentinterintino

Originally posted by: TehMac
I dunno, I got bored, and I felt like making this sorta topic.

I work at the world's only Marine Avation Museum, so I'm pretty interested in the stuff, especially after playing BF2 for a while.

I also feel the American Military could be a little spruced up in terms of some of its equipment, like their M16A4s. -_-

They need to get those XM8 out or our guns will keep going down the crapper. Even though they're automatic, they're a bastardized version of the M16A1, which jams like a mofo, and that ain't good.
Also, any marines, soldiers, pilots, or anyone like that, I'd enjoy some of your comments.
So commence comments and questions in teh ATOT Military thread!

PS: If this is somehow a repost, don't sue me.

Are you at NAS Pensacola or at Quantico?

I'm at San Diego, Miramar, on base. MCAS Miramr. Take a right off Miramar road if you're interested.
This the world's only Flying Leatherneck Avation Museum, thats what its called anyways. It only has exhibits of Marine history in Avation. We have 2 F/A-18s, a Panther, a Fury/Sabre, a TBF Avenger, a Sea Cobra, a CH-46 SeaKnight, a Seahorese, a Chickasaw, a Bronco, 2 Skyhawks, SNJ Texan, CH-53 SeaStallion, Bell Huey (captured Iraq, '91), Surface to Air missile ('91) and a Russian Mig "Fagot", A6E Intruder, Cougar, B-25 Mitchell, and an F4U NK Corsair.
And I think thats about it, we're restoring some aircraft on a yearly basis, we pretty much started up some years ago, but we're just getting noticed now.
http://www.flyingleathernecks.org/ in case you're interested. 😉

Originally posted by: Meatyone

Originally posted by: TehMac

[The Israelis are working on that, but thats about the only cool thing I can think of that the army is getting.

You obviously haven't heard about the IAWS-III

No, I'm afraid I haven't I'm checking em up on teh wiki.

EDIT: Alright, I've read Meatybone's talk about it, and...well...it does sound like Stealth and Incredibles all over again. It being able to distinguish between friend and foe sounds very encouraging, and I think they'd be able to shut it down remotely if started acting up, people aren't stupid, and I'm sure that was reviewed. Thing is, hollywood has twisted our minds inside and out. Computers can analyse and act, but they can't really think for themselves, as in, '"Why am I here?""Imma go Dominate the world!"
Its not like that. Not even close. Its merely a computer able to serve on the ground (I'm guessing so, that right?)

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: quentinterintino

Originally posted by: TehMac
I dunno, I got bored, and I felt like making this sorta topic.

I work at the world's only Marine Avation Museum, so I'm pretty interested in the stuff, especially after playing BF2 for a while.

I also feel the American Military could be a little spruced up in terms of some of its equipment, like their M16A4s. -_-

They need to get those XM8 out or our guns will keep going down the crapper. Even though they're automatic, they're a bastardized version of the M16A1, which jams like a mofo, and that ain't good.
Also, any marines, soldiers, pilots, or anyone like that, I'd enjoy some of your comments.
So commence comments and questions in teh ATOT Military thread!

PS: If this is somehow a repost, don't sue me.

Are you at NAS Pensacola or at Quantico?

I'm at San Diego, Miramar, on base. MCAS Miramr. Take a right off Miramar road if you're interested.
This the world's only Flying Leatherneck Avation Museum, thats what its called anyways. It only has exhibits of Marine history in Avation. We have 2 F/A-18s, a Panther, a Fury/Sabre, a TBF Avenger, a Sea Cobra, a CH-46 SeaKnight, a Seahorese, a Chickasaw, a Bronco, 2 Skyhawks, SNJ Texan, CH-53 SeaStallion, Bell Huey (captured Iraq, '91), Surface to Air missile ('91) and a Russian Mig "Fagot", A6E Intruder, Cougar, B-25 Mitchell, and an F4U NK Corsair.
And I think thats about it, we're restoring some aircraft on a yearly basis, we pretty much started up some years ago, but we're just getting noticed now.
http://www.flyingleathernecks.org/ in case you're interested. 😉

Originally posted by: Meatyone

Originally posted by: TehMac

[The Israelis are working on that, but thats about the only cool thing I can think of that the army is getting.

You obviously haven't heard about the IAWS-III

No, I'm afraid I haven't I'm checking em up on teh wiki.

EDIT: Alright, I've read Meatybone's talk about it, and...well...it does sound like Stealth and Incredibles all over again. It being able to distinguish between friend and foe sounds very encouraging, and I think they'd be able to shut it down remotely if started acting up, people aren't stupid, and I'm sure that was reviewed. Thing is, hollywood has twisted our minds inside and out. Computers can analyse and act, but they can't really think for themselves, as in, '"Why am I here?""Imma go Dominate the world!"
Its not like that. Not even close. Its merely a computer able to serve on the ground (I'm guessing so, that right?)

yes, you'd be right. computers cannot analyse their purpose, as we have created anything remotely close to a system 'brain' for computers. as of this moment, all a computer can do is run code of which it is told to do, they are merely slaves for our advantage, tools to use to gain an edge. programs are created to attempt to replicate AI, but all AI is, is a series of scripted, natural events in our minds even. we just dont have computer code, we have dna structure that basically creates instincts, and multiple instincts tell us how to react to any situation. AI is hard to explain, but basically.. no robot is going to turn into our enemy and try and take over the world. someday it may be possible to let a computer think like that, but not in the next decade, that's for sure.

 

[TehMac]

So what is this? Is it a tank, airplane...what?


EDIT: Going a little bit off the general topic, I found a sweet demo of a Gatling gun on a Huey, the copters first modified for attack at Vietnam, used by Army and marines.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5Ev19NsDQ4

I also have another military exposition movie if you will right here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLlAVwkUfKo

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by: quentinterintino

Originally posted by: TehMac
I dunno, I got bored, and I felt like making this sorta topic.

I work at the world's only Marine Avation Museum, so I'm pretty interested in the stuff, especially after playing BF2 for a while.

I also feel the American Military could be a little spruced up in terms of some of its equipment, like their M16A4s. -_-

They need to get those XM8 out or our guns will keep going down the crapper. Even though they're automatic, they're a bastardized version of the M16A1, which jams like a mofo, and that ain't good.
Also, any marines, soldiers, pilots, or anyone like that, I'd enjoy some of your comments.
So commence comments and questions in teh ATOT Military thread!

PS: If this is somehow a repost, don't sue me.

Are you at NAS Pensacola or at Quantico?

Pensacola is a Naval Air Station

N(aval) A(ir) S(tation) 😉

P'Cola also has a sweet museum 🙂

 

[TehMac]

See my previous post on 2nd page. 😉

 

[forrestroche]

Originally posted by: TehMac
So what is this? Is it a tank, airplane...what?

If you mean the IAWS, my understanding is that it is a robot, I guess. I know that it walks upright, weighs around 300 pounds, shoots bullets and some kind of beam weapon (I think it shoots protons, but it could be electrons). The thing was developed with money from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA). Basically I walks around, shoots the enemy with bullets or fries his head or vehicle with protons, and is VERY hard to kill. It is supposed to be able to avoid incoming fire because it can "see" the trajectory of incoming projectiles and can simultaneously avoid them and target the source.

Its a cool and lethal but a more than a little freakish.

 

[Sentrosi2121]

I'm a nut for this stuff.

Dogfight on The History Channel one of my all-time favorite shows.

Recently got off the WoW chuckwagon and d/l IL-2. Been playing that off and on. Though I'd love to get my hands on a good F4-U Corsair flight sim. Just love the look of that sexy aircraft.

I'm also a sucker for A-10s. I probably should have gone into the Air Force instead of the Navy. Worked on P-3 Orions as an Avionics Technician.

 

[imported_goku]

Lol, I read this thread title as 'Who likes Hilary Duff?"

 

[jemcam]

M16's only jam when they're not properly maintained.

And I speak from experience, I served 15 years in the US Army. I NEVER had my weapon jam that peforming "SPORTS" couldn't fix.

SPORTS is an acronym for what to do to clear a jam:

Slap (the magazine)
Pull (the charging handle)
Observe (the open receiver for obstructions)
Release (the charging handle)
Tap (the forward assist)
Squeeze (the trigger)

Never failed. When I did get a jam, it was always because the weapon was dirty, like after firing several hundred rounds at the range. If you clean the weapon like your taught, the jamming is not a problem.

Again, I say this from experience. I know there's a lot of AK47 fan boys out there, but those things are inaccurate. With an M16, if I can see it, I can hit it in one shot every time if I had properly sighted it properly, which is only needed once a year even under the most extreme conditions.

End of discussion. The M16A1 and A2 never let me down and saved my life many times. I will always be a fan of them.

And before the AK47 fan boys step in and say "why should I have to clean it every day"? I answer by saying why wouldn't you take great care of the only thing that standing between you and death?

 

[Exterous]

It is my personal goal to own and drive an armored vehicle as my primary mode of transportation (Stryker, Bradley or the like - I'm not expecting an M1A2 or anything)

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: jemcam
M16's only jam when they're not properly maintained.

And I speak from experience, I served 15 years in the US Army. I NEVER had my weapon jam that peforming "SPORTS" couldn't fix.

SPORTS is an acronym for what to do to clear a jam:

Slap (the magazine)
Pull (the charging handle)
Observe (the open receiver for obstructions)
Release (the charging handle)
Tap (the forward assist)
Squeeze (the trigger)

Never failed. When I did get a jam, it was always because the weapon was dirty, like after firing several hundred rounds at the range. If you clean the weapon like your taught, the jamming is not a problem.

Again, I say this from experience. I know there's a lot of AK47 fan boys out there, but those things are inaccurate. With an M16, if I can see it, I can hit it in one shot every time if I had properly sighted it properly, which is only needed once a year even under the most extreme conditions.

End of discussion. The M16A1 and A2 never let me down and saved my life many times. I will always be a fan of them.

Some would argue that a weapon that must be kept as clean as the M16 family of weapons is not a good choice for general issue nor is the AK family necessarily the solution.

The miltary has stuck with the AR-15 platform for far too long, even going so far as to convert M4s to gas piston operation for the special ops folks who need reliable weapons and can't stop to clean them all the time.

I'm no AK fanboy. Personally I think they are rather crude weapons except for some of the better Finnish and Israeli (Galil) variants.

 

[K1052]

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