Originally posted by: xXped0thugXx
I cant really complain about the jamming of a M16. I just got back from Fallujah , with all the sandstorms we had, never ever had a problem.
The only real complaint i have with the M16 is the stopping power, 5.56 ball rounds just dont have enough to put some guys to the ground (seriously i've seen it).
Although one can argue an AK is a reliable weapon, past 300 meters its worthless, thats the disadvantage. Obvious advantage is you can bury the f***er and pick it up and shoot it.
Just my 2 cents
Originally posted by: xXped0thugXx
I cant really complain about the jamming of a M16. I just got back from Fallujah , with all the sandstorms we had, never ever had a problem.
The only real complaint i have with the M16 is the stopping power, 5.56 ball rounds just dont have enough to put some guys to the ground (seriously i've seen it).
Although one can argue an AK is a reliable weapon, past 300 meters its worthless, thats the disadvantage. Obvious advantage is you can bury the f***er and pick it up and shoot it.
Just my 2 cents
Originally posted by: Xyo II
Originally posted by: destrekor
i love military tech and weaponry.
to comment on the XM8... um it's sad to say it's been cancelled, as was the entire OCIW program, much like the RAH-66 Commanche program (also cancelled).
funding is horrible for the military right now. at least they are getting those video visors out (buddy in the Army said he actually got to see some of the prototypes, and was told they will be out in full force in 6 years, with them starting to be rolled out close to the end of his current 4 year term), and by the way, those visors were one of the new fancy things in Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter (and all the other things are currently prototypes with plans for full-scale deployment to all troops.)
damn I'm looking forward to all of the new things because they should be fully deployed during my time in the Army.![]()
ahahahaha "funding is horrible for the military right now" - What you really mean is "the military has spent all of it's money on expensive sh!t right now". I'm not anti-military or any of that jazz, but you just can't deny that our defense budget is skyhigh.
Originally posted by: TehMac
Those Seahawks?
Originally posted by: TehMac
See, thats what I want for the army/marines. An attack helicopter that'll serve as a transport as well, sort of like Hueys from Vietnam, but less home made, and more, "we can do this and this and both just as well because we were built for it" not "I can do this but only in a half assed sort of way"
Thats why I'm interesting in the Osprey, which is supposed to fill the gap. Thing is, because its rotors aim at a slight downward rotation, there can be no Gatling guns/m240s on the sides for fear of shredding the rotors. So, from www.wikipedia.org, they're having one gatling gun be at the back, and they're considering putting on as a pod on the nose of the vehicle...isn't that common sense??? I mean it is still an attack copter.
Originally posted by: dannybek
Originally posted by: TehMac
See, thats what I want for the army/marines. An attack helicopter that'll serve as a transport as well, sort of like Hueys from Vietnam, but less home made, and more, "we can do this and this and both just as well because we were built for it" not "I can do this but only in a half assed sort of way"
Thats why I'm interesting in the Osprey, which is supposed to fill the gap. Thing is, because its rotors aim at a slight downward rotation, there can be no Gatling guns/m240s on the sides for fear of shredding the rotors. So, from www.wikipedia.org, they're having one gatling gun be at the back, and they're considering putting on as a pod on the nose of the vehicle...isn't that common sense??? I mean it is still an attack copter.
The Osprey is to fill the role of the Phrog, not the Huey. The Marines are currently testing the AH-1Z and UH-1Y as upgrades to the current helos.
Edit:
Any even so, the Phrogs will still be around for sometime.
Originally posted by: dannybek
Originally posted by: jemcam
M16's only jam when they're not properly maintained.
And I speak from experience, I served 15 years in the US Army. I NEVER had my weapon jam that peforming "SPORTS" couldn't fix.
SPORTS is an acronym for what to do to clear a jam:
Slap (the magazine)
Pull (the charging handle)
Observe (the open receiver for obstructions)
Release (the charging handle)
Tap (the forward assist)
Squeeze (the trigger)
Never failed. When I did get a jam, it was always because the weapon was dirty, like after firing several hundred rounds at the range. If you clean the weapon like your taught, the jamming is not a problem.
Again, I say this from experience. I know there's a lot of AK47 fan boys out there, but those things are inaccurate. With an M16, if I can see it, I can hit it in one shot every time if I had properly sighted it properly, which is only needed once a year even under the most extreme conditions.
End of discussion. The M16A1 and A2 never let me down and saved my life many times. I will always be a fan of them.
And before the AK47 fan boys step in and say "why should I have to clean it every day"? I answer by saying why wouldn't you take great care of the only thing that standing between you and death?
The first "S" is seek cover, but you knew that
Nothing like a good TAP RACK BANG wouldn't fix.
Originally posted by: AndrewR
Originally posted by: xXped0thugXx
I cant really complain about the jamming of a M16. I just got back from Fallujah , with all the sandstorms we had, never ever had a problem.
The only real complaint i have with the M16 is the stopping power, 5.56 ball rounds just dont have enough to put some guys to the ground (seriously i've seen it).
Although one can argue an AK is a reliable weapon, past 300 meters its worthless, thats the disadvantage. Obvious advantage is you can bury the f***er and pick it up and shoot it.
Just my 2 cents
I had the chance to fire the AK on full auto in Baghdad, and that pig is absolutely impossible to control -- another advantage of the M16 and its smaller round. I could get 2-3 rounds somewhere close to the target but just barely (3 was pushing it). Recoil was just too strong on automatic. I also really hated the fire selector on the AK.
They are painfully easy to use and reasonably accurate on single shot, and their reliability is well known. They do have their problems, however.
The MP5 -- now, THAT'S a fun weapon to shoot on full auto!
Originally posted by: TehMac
So anyway, we all agree to some degree, that while an amazing and somewhat reliable firearm, and very accurate, the M16 is getting dated. The government needs to find some alternatives that are more effective.
I think we also need to find the enemy more effectively before they can find us, and a way to do it that attracts less attention.
The Northrop Grumman RQ-8B Fire Scout is supposed to bridge this gap, its designed for Army, Navy, and Marines. Basically its an unmanned copter armed with a huge camera capable of scaling photos and a semi UAV only it doesn't need to fly at specified altitudes and you only need to program it for a mission, no control, or anything like that.
Crucial Specs:
Height: 9.42 FT
Engine: Rolls Royce Model 250-C20W
Speed...125+ knots
Ceiling...20,000FT
Endurance.5+Hours loiter at a combat radius of 110nm(200km)
Total Endurance...8+ hours with existing payload 5 hours:lifting 600lbs (272.2 kg)
Hrmm, so its a scout, but one that seems to be more versatile and more maneuverable. Its a vertical take off, and its designed for any environment.
Originally posted by: TehMac
Well these copters are more manuverable and more versatile, from what I'm told. They're able to survey a wide area, and be able to be manuvered around much faster, and they're able to do everything by themselves, sending data back to ships or key setup points. its able to provided coverage 110nm from launch site (200km).
"The firescout can find identitfy, track, and designate targets, provide accurate targeting data to strike platforms, engage targets, and perform battle damage assessment."
Pretty neat.
