So who is suprised to see the x1950's extra bandwidth not do so much?

[Creig]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: Creig

Remember, the X1900XTX used to have an MSRP of $650 and now it goes for what? $350?

After 8 months. Things don't just start price dropping in a week or two. The X1900XT didn't fall to that awesome price in a couple of weeks. I'd expect to see retailers raise the price above MSRP for a little while--they have to make a little profit too.

Oh, I agree there'll probably be some initial price gouging. There almost always is with a new product release. Hopefully ATI will have enough stock built up to be able to keep up with demand.

The reason that I don't think the price will stay at its MSRP for long is that it's a refresh of the X1900XTX. Although the new cooler design is nice and the GDDR4 enables higher AA settings, I don't think it will sell well if its street price remains $100 more than X1900XTX. I think most people would simply go for the X1900XTX. But a $400 price would make people think long and hard which card to purchase.

 

[redbox]

True on that $400 x1950xtx that was another thing that changed with this launch we where getting information that said it would be $400 and now it is $450. With the x1900xtx selling for around $350 the $100 diffference is a little high for me to pick the 1950. If the difference droped to $50 that would be a different story, I would have to think long and hard on that one. It kind of all comes down to how much do you value performance, how much are you willing to pay for extra frames. I would be overclocking what ever I buy so the 1950 will do better when the core goes up.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: redbox
True on that $400 x1950xtx that was another thing that changed with this launch we where getting information that said it would be $400 and now it is $450. With the x1900xtx selling for around $350 the $100 diffference is a little high for me to pick the 1950. If the difference droped to $50 that would be a different story, I would have to think long and hard on that one. It kind of all comes down to how much do you value performance, how much are you willing to pay for extra frames. I would be overclocking what ever I buy so the 1950 will do better when the core goes up.

IF you look up a few posts you will see a post of MSRP for ATI products in this thread by me. The official MSRP difference between the X1950 XTX and X1900 XTX is indeed 50US.

Your comparing the MSRP to the normalized street price so that isn't quite a accurate comparison.

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: coldpower27

Originally posted by: redbox
True on that $400 x1950xtx that was another thing that changed with this launch we where getting information that said it would be $400 and now it is $450. With the x1900xtx selling for around $350 the $100 diffference is a little high for me to pick the 1950. If the difference droped to $50 that would be a different story, I would have to think long and hard on that one. It kind of all comes down to how much do you value performance, how much are you willing to pay for extra frames. I would be overclocking what ever I buy so the 1950 will do better when the core goes up.

IF you look up a few posts you will see a post of MSRP for ATI products in this thread by me. The official MSRP difference between the X1950 XTX and X1900 XTX is indeed 50US.

Your comparing the MSRP to the normalized street price so that isn't quite a accurate comparison.

No it might not be quite accurate, but because we don't have the 1950 selling the only price I can use is the msrp. I expect the 1950 to sell around $450 for a long time and that would put it at around $100 more than what I can get a 1900xtx for. I don't expect it to sell for less than $450 on it's release and if the street price was higher than $450 that just puts the spred between the 1900 and the 1950 that much further apart. MSRP aside the 1900xtx IS selling for ~$350 so I see no problem in saying that there will be a $100 difference between the two when the x1950xtx comes to market.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: redbox

Originally posted by: coldpower27

Originally posted by: redbox
True on that $400 x1950xtx that was another thing that changed with this launch we where getting information that said it would be $400 and now it is $450. With the x1900xtx selling for around $350 the $100 diffference is a little high for me to pick the 1950. If the difference droped to $50 that would be a different story, I would have to think long and hard on that one. It kind of all comes down to how much do you value performance, how much are you willing to pay for extra frames. I would be overclocking what ever I buy so the 1950 will do better when the core goes up.

IF you look up a few posts you will see a post of MSRP for ATI products in this thread by me. The official MSRP difference between the X1950 XTX and X1900 XTX is indeed 50US.

Your comparing the MSRP to the normalized street price so that isn't quite a accurate comparison.

No it might not be quite accurate, but because we don't have the 1950 selling the only price I can use is the msrp. I expect the 1950 to sell around $450 for a long time and that would put it at around $100 more than what I can get a 1900xtx for. I don't expect it to sell for less than $450 on it's release and if the street price was higher than $450 that just puts the spred between the 1900 and the 1950 that much further apart. MSRP aside the 1900xtx IS selling for ~$350 so I see no problem in saying that there will be a $100 difference between the two when the x1950xtx comes to market.

Well let's hope that there won't be too much gouging on the X1950 XTX, an the supply is good, if the launch is going to be in Mid September. We'll see if the X1950 XTX holds it's MSRP price for long. It's isn't that much powerful on the X1900 XTX so I don't expect it to.

If your talking about a 100US difference right when it launches then that might be believable, though not when both normalize.

 

[deadken]

I am just happy that I got my X1900 XTX instead of waiting for the X1950 XTX. I had read the inquirers comment about %7 and I just didn't want to wait/fight/go crazy to try and get a card that wasn't available at the time and didn't have a rock solid idea as to when it would be readily available.

 

[tvdang7]

ok now reading all the other benchmarks on
http://www.techpowerup.com/

the new card is pretty good. on its own and in crossfire. very good competition vs the 7900gtx and 7950gx2.


i like the crossfire bench marks for the games in interested in
bf2 FEAR lost cost oblivion

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/hard...i_radeon_x1950_xtx_x1950_crossfire/25/
hope these benchmarks arnt changed in any way.

i like the card very much we need real overclocked benchmarks 725/2400. instead of the 675/2100 ppl are doing with no voltage bumps

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: tvdang7
ok now reading all the other benchmarks on
http://www.techpowerup.com/

the new card is pretty good. on its own and in crossfire. very good competition vs the 7900gtx and 7950gx2.


i like the crossfire bench marks for the games in interested in
bf2 FEAR lost cost oblivion

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/hard...i_radeon_x1950_xtx_x1950_crossfire/25/
hope these benchmarks arnt changed in any way.

i like the card very much we need real overclocked benchmarks 725/2400. instead of the 675/2100 ppl are doing with no voltage bumps

Wow those 3dmark 05 results look a little off. Not only that but why are they using a 2ghz A64?

 

[tvdang7]

Originally posted by: redbox

Originally posted by: tvdang7
ok now reading all the other benchmarks on
http://www.techpowerup.com/

the new card is pretty good. on its own and in crossfire. very good competition vs the 7900gtx and 7950gx2.


i like the crossfire bench marks for the games in interested in
bf2 FEAR lost cost oblivion

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/hard...i_radeon_x1950_xtx_x1950_crossfire/25/
hope these benchmarks arnt changed in any way.

i like the card very much we need real overclocked benchmarks 725/2400. instead of the 675/2100 ppl are doing with no voltage bumps

Wow those 3dmark 05 results look a little off. Not only that but why are they using a 2ghz A64?

it says fx-60 cpu but ur right the score does look a lil low shouldnt it be like 11k at least?

 

[josh6079]

nvm

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: tvdang7

Originally posted by: redbox

Originally posted by: tvdang7
ok now reading all the other benchmarks on
http://www.techpowerup.com/

the new card is pretty good. on its own and in crossfire. very good competition vs the 7900gtx and 7950gx2.


i like the crossfire bench marks for the games in interested in
bf2 FEAR lost cost oblivion

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/hard...i_radeon_x1950_xtx_x1950_crossfire/25/
hope these benchmarks arnt changed in any way.

i like the card very much we need real overclocked benchmarks 725/2400. instead of the 675/2100 ppl are doing with no voltage bumps

Wow those 3dmark 05 results look a little off. Not only that but why are they using a 2ghz A64?

it says fx-60 cpu but ur right the score does look a lil low shouldnt it be like 11k at least?

Sorry I was talking about the techpowerup bench
quoted:

AMD Athlon64 3000+ @ 2000 MHz
Motherboard: ABIT AT8
Memory: 2x 1024 MB G.SKILL DDR-400
Video Card: ATI Radeon X1950 XTX, X1900 XTX, X1800 GTO
Harddisk: WD Raptor 36GB
Power Supply: OCZ GameXStream 700W
Software: Windows XP SP2, Catalyst for X1950, Official Reviewer Driver

They got 9087 in 3dmark05 with an x1900xtx I was getting about that with my overclocked 7800gt those have to be off unless there was a typo and those are the 3dmark06 scores.

 

[thegimp03]

IMO you only need one of these super high powered brand new video cards if you have a monitor to support ridiculous resolutions. If not, it's pointless.

 

[lopri]

This card is probably the first ATI card that I'll probably actually buy in a long time. Like Ackmed pointed out, ATI seemed to have taken the criticism to heart and fixed (at least to some degree) most of the X1900's shortcomings. My only concern is the price/availability. Price gouging that inevitably following a paper launch aside, like AT has commented, I'd like to get a CF edition card. But whether it'll be available at the price and the time quoted remains to be seen.

Another possible ruin factor for ATI is, as happened many times in the past, I have this dreaded feeling that we'll see 7950GT on the shelf before the X1950 shows up. See, this is another side-effect of paper launch and it's easy to understand why ATI wanted to do a hard-launch at the begining. Paper launch doesn't benefit anyone. Hard launch has nearly zero minuses compared to paper launch. I said nearly because I know there are some individuals who prefer to have knowledge of what's coming in the future, but in the large scheme of things the negatives hugely out-weigh any small advantage that an individual might take of.

Personally though this time whatever NV will pull out won't likely affect my purchase decision. Although I still admire NV's creativity and their engineering, 3 consecutive cards with same core were enough. (7800GTX -> 7900GTX -> 7950GX2) I get the same feeling that I got from 9700 -> 9800 -> X800. I haven't been able to decide on ATI mainly due to their problmatic software division but since this R5x0 core has been out for quite some time, I'd imagine the drivers are mature by now. Besides the heat/noise and the moronic Ruby picture on the HSF are gone. (I really don't understand what they were thinking when they put a sticker with an animated chick on their top-end card, especially after 7800GTX 512's HSF) I don't see CrossFire on my rig in near future, though.

If X1950 price stays high due to low availability I might get an X1900 instead. (They already go for a bit over $300 on eBay) I also think at this point of graphics progress, anyone looking to buy a high-end card should go with 512MB frame buffer. Don't make a mistake of purchasing 256MB version for mere $50 difference. Texture heavy games already make use of over 400MB frame buffer.

 

[ForumMaster]

well since the card wasn't saturating the PCI-E bus, the extra bandwidth only helps so much. it's more for power consumption.

 

[tvdang7]

hey in the driverheaven review it says if u have an x1900 crossfire card u and mix and match with an x1950xtx still. thats pretty good news for u crossfire owners right now.

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/X1950XTXreview/cf.htm

 

[GundamSonicZeroX]

Why would you be suprised? They used the lowest ended memory that Samsung offered. I actually expected lower performance than what it got.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: GundamSonicZeroX
Why would you be suprised? They used the lowest ended memory that Samsung offered. I actually expected lower performance than what it got.

It may have been the lowest end but it is nothing to snear at. GDDR4 is the fastest ram out now for video cards. That would be like getting the lowest end F1 race car and saying that you wouldn't be expecting performance.