So... where are the memos?

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: umbrella39
And again, why do you 2 now, keep parroting the same thing over and over? Again...

Its authenticity has neither been confirmed nor denied by the British government, though Downing Street has stated the document contains "nothing new". Apparently none of us on the board live on Downing Street nor did we ever have access to the originals. So why is it you keep asking us to produce something you know we personally can't? Since we can't do that, you keep insisting they don't/never existed. Don't that have a name for that kind of argument????

Well, then please inform people to not use these memos as anything more than unverified claims.

CsG

Verified by the AP:

The AP obtained copies of six of the memos (the other two have circulated widely). A senior British official who reviewed the copies said their content appeared authentic. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of the secret nature of the material.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: AnyMal

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: AnyMalDarn! Got my hopes up for a minute? Perhaps, we should search Area 51?

And again, why do you 2 now, keep parroting the same thing over and over? Again...

Its authenticity has neither been confirmed nor denied by the British government, though Downing Street has stated the document contains "nothing new". Apparently none of us on the board live on Downing Street nor did we ever have access to the originals. So why is it you keep asking us to produce something you know we personally can't? Since we can't do that, you keep insisting they don't/never existed. Don't that have a name for that kind of argument????

Again, I'll help you out here. How many threads to we have going discussing these supposed DSM's. What's wrong with one questioning their existence? What are you affraid of?

Sorry bud, won't see my name in any of those other threads. Read my response to CAD. You are the one that keeps going on and on like a sissy with a bag full of dorks since none of us can prove or disprove their existance. What is it you are trying to prove when your logical falicy does not hold up here?

A: Someone says there is a memo that has damning info contained within
B: I want to see that memo
C: No, you can't see the memo becaue X happened to it
D: Well then it never existed

Hmmm

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: umbrella39
That is what I am kind of saying, too, CAD. This thread is useless. Non of us are privied so why continue to beat a dead horse. I don't put much stock in anything I can't see for myself either, but I will let it all play out gladly. If it turns out to be BS, then there are a lot of people going to be eating crow. If they prove true, the same, just other people and other crows

They have been shown to be true by the AP

The AP obtained copies of six of the memos (the other two have circulated widely). A senior British official who reviewed the copies said their content appeared authentic. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of the secret nature of the material.

 

[AnyMal]

Originally posted by: Pedro69

Amazing how many people suddenly, or conveniently "forget" the concept of "innocent until proven guilty" so long as it fits their agenda.

How true. So when was proven that Saddam had WMD's?

I'm sure searching thousands of threads that cover your point of interest will help you find the answer you're looking for.

Here, we're discussing something different. Of course, you do know that already but thought you'd try to be cute. Not working, sorry.l

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: totalcommand

The AP obtained copies of six of the memos (the other two have circulated widely). A senior British official who reviewed the copies said their content appeared authentic. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of the secret nature of the material.

There's your proof. Just need to remove your blinders.

anonymous official: "appeared authentic" != proof or authentication

But I guess in a leftist's "fake but accurate" world it might pass

CsG

It passes in this world called "Reality". But I guess you live in an alternate reality where only slander exists.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: AnyMal

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
So in the spirit of "debate" style many here use, can they prove that these memos aren't true?

This is getting old. really. For the bazillionth time, before proving something as false, you've got to prove it exists in the first place.

Old really?

Here's old. When people use "You have to prove it's true" when it suits them, however "You have to prove it's false" at other times.

That's old.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: umbrella39
That is what I am kind of saying, too, CAD. This thread is useless. Non of us are privied so why continue to beat a dead horse. I don't put much stock in anything I can't see for myself either, but I will let it all play out gladly. If it turns out to be BS, then there are a lot of people going to be eating crow. If they prove true, the same, just other people and other crows

Whether or not they turn out true or not doesn't make a damn bit of difference to what I'm stating. I don't know if they are real or not because all we have are retyped copies - yet some people here are claiming that they are the "truth". Asking for verification of these memos is the first step in analyzing them and their content.

So again, please inform your buddies to stop claiming them as truth and we'll stop beating this horse about authenticity until more info makes itself available.

CsG

 

[AnyMal]

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: totalcommand
totalcommand's tripe snipped due to screwing up the tags

Bowfinger - see what I'm talking about? The tags were fine.

I'm just going to ignore your AP tripe - you are wrong - period. I did not question or attack the AP. Try getting that through your skull.

Typically conservative, everything is black and white. No evidence to back up their views. Ignores the implications of their views.

The authenticity has NOT been confirmed by anyone. Would you kindly show proof of it's authenticity since you keep claiming it has been?
Oh, and yes there are problems with anonymous sources - there is no integrity to the claims made. Why do you think many newspapers and other media outlets have curbed their use of anonymous sources? That's right - because it can't be verified.
It has nothing to do with paranoia - I could care less if the originals were authentic or not because they really don't say much, but these "copies" sure as hell haven't been authenticated due to them being retyped "copies" and the originals seem to have been destroyed(according to the AP's version of the story).

The AP reporter found the proof of authenticity of the content. If you had your way, Nixon would still be in office. But hey, I guess that's in line with your radical fringe conservative views.

Also, there was no slander anywhere in my post so your little whine about Conservatives fell way short.

Right, slandering the ANONYMOUS source simply because he's anonymous doesn't count. :roll:

Yes, these memos are unauthenticated and the Rathergate ones were discredited. Try to keep up here(which you might have been able to do if you hadn't been twisting in the wind with your duhversions.

It's spelled diversions. Memos have been authenticated by the AP, which you continue to ignore, simply because the AP's source is anonymous. :roll:

No where do the memos state that Bush was fixing intel around policy, but that sure is some nice kook fringe spin.

Ok, you decided to stay with slander, not the facts. I'll deal. Read the bolded part:

C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1593607,00.html

Ah yes, the old poll canard. Wow, so people now don't think it was worth it - so? That doesn't mean we quit or admit defeat. It also doesn't mean soldiers are dying for a mistake - there is and always were MANY reasons for our actions there for you to continue with these disrespectful statements is repulsive.
You are NOT honoring the soldiers - you are using them as pawns to feed your hate of Bush.

You are dishonoring our soldiers by mindlessly sending them to war. They are real people, they deserve our respect. We should not throw their lives away as you would have to promote your conservative agenda. The fact that you support regime change irregardless of the presence of WMD's tells me that you have no value for the lives of our soldiers whatsoever.

I never said we should quit or admit defeat, but I guess you like baseless accusations. In fact, I think we should stay there for the long haul now that you cons have put our soldiers in this mess. I fully support their actions today.

The majority of the country thinks it was a mistake because so many soldiers have paid with their lives. But you don't care.

Now again - please show where these memos have been authenticated, then answer the OP - where are the memos

CsG

I've answered him, he won't find the originals. :laugh:

Um, again, the AP has not authenticated anything and you have not provided any proof of such authentication.

The AP obtained copies of six of the memos (the other two have circulated widely). A senior British official who reviewed the copies said their content appeared authentic. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of the secret nature of the material.

So you think that one guy making a claim about Bush somehow makes it true? The guy put opinion in the place of fact - the memos do not provide any proof that this is the case- only this one guy's opinion. Wow, I guess it's suddenly "truth" :roll:

So you admit the memos are real? Oh I'm sorry, you like to play word games. You admit the content of the memos is real? There are several memos, and this isn't just some guy, it is a guy that had contact with Bush administration officials.

No, I'm not dishonoring anyone - let alone "mindlessly" doing anything.
Again, you are dishonoring by suggesting their lives were thrown away. I'm sure the widows, children, or other family would love to hear you telling them that their lives were thrown away.:roll:

I'm not suggesting their lives were thrown away. I'm suggesting that Bush used the soldiers as pawns for his conservative agenda. I'm sure the widows, children, and veterans would love to hear you telling them that you would throw their lives away to further your agenda. But, of course, you would just lie to the widows and children to further your agenda anyways.

Regime change was our policy long before Bush came into office, and there are many reasons why doing so is not only just, but necessary. Just because you don't think the war was just doesn't make that fact or "truth" - it's just your opinion.

Not just mine, it's the majority of Americans. Regime change was never our policy in Iraq. Why do you think the Bush Administration did their media push using WMD's instead of regime change? Because Americans do not support regime change in Iraq just for the sake of regime change.

Yeah, laugh away about the originals - now you and the leftists can make all sorts of claims you know you can't and won't have to back up. How convenient. Why not try using the truth first instead of relying on these "fake but accurate" games?

CsG

Let me try out a CsG tactic here. YOU'RE the one who's saying theyre fake. Not ME. YOU. I think they are ACCURATE. I am not playing GAMES.

Anyhow, the AP has confirmed their authenticity using their ANONYMOUS source.

Maybe you should stop relying on your "slander first, issues later" tactics. They aren't working.

Your comprehension skills are .... lacking to put it mildly. What we're saying, is they're hoax, non-existent. NOTHING and NOBODY has authenticated anything.

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: umbrella39
That is what I am kind of saying, too, CAD. This thread is useless. Non of us are privied so why continue to beat a dead horse. I don't put much stock in anything I can't see for myself either, but I will let it all play out gladly. If it turns out to be BS, then there are a lot of people going to be eating crow. If they prove true, the same, just other people and other crows

Whether or not they turn out true or not doesn't make a damn bit of difference to what I'm stating. I don't know if they are real or not because all we have are retyped copies - yet some people here are claiming that they are the "truth". Asking for verification of these memos is the first step in analyzing them and their content.

So again, please inform your buddies to stop claiming them as truth and we'll stop beating this horse about authenticity until more info makes itself available.

CsG

The AP has verified their contents. You can't just ignore it because their source is anonymous.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: totalcommand

The AP obtained copies of six of the memos (the other two have circulated widely). A senior British official who reviewed the copies said their content appeared authentic. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of the secret nature of the material.

There's your proof. Just need to remove your blinders.

anonymous official: "appeared authentic" != proof or authentication

But I guess in a leftist's "fake but accurate" world it might pass

CsG

It passes in this world called "Reality". But I guess you live in an alternate reality where only slander exists.

I live in reality, and reality says that nothing has been authenticated and that "appeared authentic != proof of authentication.

CsG

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: AnyMal

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Your comprehension skills are .... lacking to put it mildly. What we're saying, is they're hoax, non-existent. NOTHING and NOBODY has authenticated anything.

They exist, the AP has authenticated them.

The AP obtained copies of six of the memos (the other two have circulated widely). A senior British official who reviewed the copies said their content appeared authentic. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of the secret nature of the material.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: umbrella39
That is what I am kind of saying, too, CAD. This thread is useless. Non of us are privied so why continue to beat a dead horse. I don't put much stock in anything I can't see for myself either, but I will let it all play out gladly. If it turns out to be BS, then there are a lot of people going to be eating crow. If they prove true, the same, just other people and other crows

Whether or not they turn out true or not doesn't make a damn bit of difference to what I'm stating. I don't know if they are real or not because all we have are retyped copies - yet some people here are claiming that they are the "truth". Asking for verification of these memos is the first step in analyzing them and their content.

So again, please inform your buddies to stop claiming them as truth and we'll stop beating this horse about authenticity until more info makes itself available.

CsG

The AP has verified their contents. You can't just ignore it because their source is anonymous.

No they haven't. The anonimity is only part of it. The guy didn't state the content WAS AUTHENTIC - it was APPEARED authentic. Clearly there is a difference - a difference you "fake but accurate" leftists want to gloss over.

CsG

 

[Steeplerot]

logrolling

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: totalcommand

The AP obtained copies of six of the memos (the other two have circulated widely). A senior British official who reviewed the copies said their content appeared authentic. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of the secret nature of the material.

There's your proof. Just need to remove your blinders.

anonymous official: "appeared authentic" != proof or authentication

But I guess in a leftist's "fake but accurate" world it might pass

CsG

It passes in this world called "Reality". But I guess you live in an alternate reality where only slander exists.

I live in reality, and reality says that nothing has been authenticated and that "appeared authentic != proof of authentication.

CsG

Well, if reality is saying stuff to you I think you should get checked out by a doctor. Could I suggest myself?

More word games from the slanderous right.

The source thinks theyre authentic. Period.

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: umbrella39
That is what I am kind of saying, too, CAD. This thread is useless. Non of us are privied so why continue to beat a dead horse. I don't put much stock in anything I can't see for myself either, but I will let it all play out gladly. If it turns out to be BS, then there are a lot of people going to be eating crow. If they prove true, the same, just other people and other crows

Whether or not they turn out true or not doesn't make a damn bit of difference to what I'm stating. I don't know if they are real or not because all we have are retyped copies - yet some people here are claiming that they are the "truth". Asking for verification of these memos is the first step in analyzing them and their content.

So again, please inform your buddies to stop claiming them as truth and we'll stop beating this horse about authenticity until more info makes itself available.

CsG

The AP has verified their contents. You can't just ignore it because their source is anonymous.

No they haven't. The anonimity is only part of it. The guy didn't state the content WAS AUTHENTIC - it was APPEARED authentic. Clearly there is a difference - a difference you "fake but accurate" leftists want to gloss over.

CsG

The source thinks they are authentic. You can't deny this.

Now you will run back over to ANONYMOUS in capital letters. But we've already realized that many journalistic sources are anonymous.

Why you have here is a right-wing slanderous conspiracy theory. And a fringe one at that.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: totalcommand

The AP obtained copies of six of the memos (the other two have circulated widely). A senior British official who reviewed the copies said their content appeared authentic. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of the secret nature of the material.

There's your proof. Just need to remove your blinders.

anonymous official: "appeared authentic" != proof or authentication

But I guess in a leftist's "fake but accurate" world it might pass

CsG

It passes in this world called "Reality". But I guess you live in an alternate reality where only slander exists.

I live in reality, and reality says that nothing has been authenticated and that "appeared authentic != proof of authentication.

CsG

Well, if reality is saying stuff to you I think you should get checked out by a doctor. Could I suggest myself?

More word games from the slanderous right.

The source thinks theyre authentic. Period.

HAHAHA... if it feeds your hate- fine - believe they are authentic. It doesn't change the fact that they haven't been - but it's fine if you want to live in your little pretend world.

I'm done playing your disengenuous games - you have NOT shown were there are authenticated - we only have the appearance of authenticity by an anonymous source. Even umbrella39 seems to understand this

CsG

 

[AnyMal]

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: AnyMal

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Your comprehension skills are .... lacking to put it mildly. What we're saying, is they're hoax, non-existent. NOTHING and NOBODY has authenticated anything.

They exist, the AP has authenticated them.

The AP obtained copies of six of the memos (the other two have circulated widely). A senior British official who reviewed the copies said their content appeared authentic. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of the secret nature of the material.

Last I checked AP is a news agency. What capacity do they have to "authenticate" such documents.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Please provide links to "authenticated" documents.

 

[imported_Pedro69]

Originally posted by: AnyMal

Originally posted by: Pedro69

Amazing how many people suddenly, or conveniently "forget" the concept of "innocent until proven guilty" so long as it fits their agenda.

How true. So when was proven that Saddam had WMD's?

I'm sure searching thousands of threads that cover your point of interest will help you find the answer you're looking for.

Here, we're discussing something different. Of course, you do know that already but thought you'd try to be cute. Not working, sorry.l

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: totalcommand

The AP obtained copies of six of the memos (the other two have circulated widely). A senior British official who reviewed the copies said their content appeared authentic. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of the secret nature of the material.

There's your proof. Just need to remove your blinders.

anonymous official: "appeared authentic" != proof or authentication

But I guess in a leftist's "fake but accurate" world it might pass

CsG

It passes in this world called "Reality". But I guess you live in an alternate reality where only slander exists.

I live in reality, and reality says that nothing has been authenticated and that "appeared authentic != proof of authentication.

CsG

Well, if reality is saying stuff to you I think you should get checked out by a doctor. Could I suggest myself?

More word games from the slanderous right.

The source thinks theyre authentic. Period.

HAHAHA... if it feeds your hate- fine - believe they are authentic. It doesn't change the fact that they haven't been - but it's fine if you want to live in your little pretend world.

I'm done playing your disengenuous games - you have NOT shown were there are authenticated - we only have the appearance of authenticity by an anonymous source. Even umbrella39 seems to understand this

CsG

I don't know who umbrella39 is, nor do I care.

"appearance of authenticity by an anonymous source"

great we agree then. you cannot get more authenticated than that, especially when the originals do not exist. you and the other guy are asking for the originals only because you know they do not exist. this is a great tactic, but is the definition of disingenuous.

I live in reality, where I shoot straight and say what I mean. You guys use these lame tactics to slander stuff that hurts your boy Bush.

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: AnyMal

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: AnyMal

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Your comprehension skills are .... lacking to put it mildly. What we're saying, is they're hoax, non-existent. NOTHING and NOBODY has authenticated anything.

They exist, the AP has authenticated them.

The AP obtained copies of six of the memos (the other two have circulated widely). A senior British official who reviewed the copies said their content appeared authentic. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of the secret nature of the material.

Last I checked AP is a news agency. What capacity do they have to "authenticate" such documents.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Please provide links to "authenticated" documents.

Umm. That's what news agencies do......Ehh that is all. And read my post to CsG. It's time to drop your bullsh!t.

 

[AnyMal]

Originally posted by: Pedro69

Originally posted by: AnyMal

Originally posted by: Pedro69

Amazing how many people suddenly, or conveniently "forget" the concept of "innocent until proven guilty" so long as it fits their agenda.

How true. So when was proven that Saddam had WMD's?

I'm sure searching thousands of threads that cover your point of interest will help you find the answer you're looking for.

Here, we're discussing something different. Of course, you do know that already but thought you'd try to be cute. Not working, sorry.l

Thanks for proving my point.

Not sure what your point was, but, whatever, happy to help.

 

[umbrella39]

On a side note, I am about half way through GTA San Andreas and have a hour before I have to go to bed so I am going to go play. You all play nice. LOL.

 

[AnyMal]

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: AnyMal

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: AnyMal

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Your comprehension skills are .... lacking to put it mildly. What we're saying, is they're hoax, non-existent. NOTHING and NOBODY has authenticated anything.

They exist, the AP has authenticated them.

The AP obtained copies of six of the memos (the other two have circulated widely). A senior British official who reviewed the copies said their content appeared authentic. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of the secret nature of the material.

Last I checked AP is a news agency. What capacity do they have to "authenticate" such documents.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Please provide links to "authenticated" documents.

Umm. That's what news agencies do......Ehh that is all. And read my post to CsG. It's time to drop your bullsh!t.

The only bullsh1t I detect so far is coming from you, sorry. You are refering to "copies of copies" of the so-called memos. We already discussed that in ther beginning. Try re-reading first couple of pages.

 

[AnyMal]

Originally posted by: umbrella39
On a side note, I am about half way through GTA San Andreas and have a hour before I have to go to bed so I am going to go play. You all play nice. LOL.

We're trying. Doing good so far Have fun!

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: AnyMal

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: AnyMal

Originally posted by: totalcommand

Originally posted by: AnyMal

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Your comprehension skills are .... lacking to put it mildly. What we're saying, is they're hoax, non-existent. NOTHING and NOBODY has authenticated anything.

They exist, the AP has authenticated them.

The AP obtained copies of six of the memos (the other two have circulated widely). A senior British official who reviewed the copies said their content appeared authentic. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of the secret nature of the material.

Last I checked AP is a news agency. What capacity do they have to "authenticate" such documents.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Please provide links to "authenticated" documents.

Umm. That's what news agencies do......Ehh that is all. And read my post to CsG. It's time to drop your bullsh!t.

The only bullsh1t I detect so far is coming from you, sorry. You are refering to "copies of copies" of the so-called memos. We already discussed that in ther beginning. Try re-reading first couple of pages.

Learn to read: "you and the other guy are asking for the originals only because you know they do not exist. this is a great tactic, but is the definition of disingenuous."

You opened this thread to take a crap on the whole issue. The premise of this thread is B.S. At least CsG makes arguments to back up his statements, but you just keep spewing from your bowels. As CsG eloquently puts it, here's something to refuel yourself:

If you don't like me confronting you on your B.S., leave your thread.