So whats up with our great country ... the USA

[buck]

Are you a freshman in college?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: JohnCU
what about sports stars making millions and millions while teachers get paid sh!t and even the EEs who keep the electricity flowing are not rolling in money.

the world wouldn't stop without football, but it would without teachers and engineers and doctors (although they make a lot)

teacher = anyone can do it, and people don't give a fvck about them

athlete = not anyone can do it, and people want to watch them

i disagree with the teacher part. while they are accepting many crapy teachers it still takes a person who wants to be around kis (and able to put with the bs). Not anyone can do it.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: JohnCU

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: JohnCU
what about sports stars making millions and millions while teachers get paid sh!t and even the EEs who keep the electricity flowing are not rolling in money.

the world wouldn't stop without football, but it would without teachers and engineers and doctors (although they make a lot)

teacher = anyone can do it, and people don't give a fvck about them

athlete = not anyone can do it, and people want to watch them

that's bullsh!t, not just anyone can teach, i sure can't, and not everyone can be an engineer or doctor.

there are plenty of ambitious engineers and doctors. there are even teachers that are millionaires from developing teaching systems/writing books and selling them. no one is entitled to anything; in this country most wealth is earned.

 

[acemcmac]

Free market economy. The average joe demands entertinament, not nasa.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: JohnCU
what about sports stars making millions and millions while teachers get paid sh!t and even the EEs who keep the electricity flowing are not rolling in money.

the world wouldn't stop without football, but it would without teachers and engineers and doctors (although they make a lot)

Please don't include teachers in that group. Doctors and Engineers maybe. Most K-12 teachers are complete sh!t. They deserve what they make, 30k a year. Nothing more, cause they don't do crap. University teachers aren't often a whole lot better. There are some good ones, but some REALLY bad ones too. Just depends.

A professional athlete should without a doubt make more than a K-12 teacher, as its a MUCH MUCH more difficult career.

there is a reason we have so many ****** tgeaches. 30k a year is crap pay for the education they need. If we actually paid a teacher what they should be we would get better skilled teachers.

if you think a k-12 teacher does crap you are badly mistaken.

 

[RichardE]

nvm

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: raildogg
Well, when a country has so much technology, roads are paved, malls are everywhere, people are required to only specialize in one or two skills, fast food places everywhere, you are bound to have things such as this. Our wealth has played a part in people's psyche as well. People in other countries are determined to raise themselves and their countries up - many of us feel that our country is already at the top.

People in other countries are used to hardship, so working extra harder is not as hard to them as it is to us. I doubt most people in America can go to a forest and learn to survive there for a while. I doubt most Americans know anything about farming, starting a fire - you know, the basic things that people should know. I'll be honest, I don't know stuff like this either, but my excuse is that I was raised in America .

I agree that Katie Couric makes way more than scientists etc, but there is a reason for that. Millions of people don't watch scientists lecture. They watch tv shows, like Katie Couric's.

I find it very ironic (maybe that isn't the correct term) that countries such as India, China and others are trying to be more Westernized (mainly America and UK). They probably think how rosy things are over here, and for the most part, they are.

So you think its OK for bimbos and airheads and jocks to make millions to entertain us yet people that can move us ahead are given chicken feed?

freaking sports stars, movie stars, and all this BS giving people 20 mil to be on TV for looking good is rediclous... I'm tired of it myself this country is so backward assed its not even funny.
then we got the corrupt ass incompetant government who are all criminals and conmen just waiting to get caught.. not to mention hypocrites like this latest scumball to get caught.. pass laws and prosecute people for the same crimes you are guilty of..

man what a world..

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: vulcanman
Where are we headed folks ??

- Highest paid (level 15) scientist doing cutting edge research and earn 158K per year ... yet we have Katie Couric who hosts a 30-min newcast and earns 15 million a year!

- We have the cops on COPS chastising us about violence and crime yet we have the same Fox channel, during the commercial breaks, showing very graphic ads for SAINTS ROW on XBox ... enticing viewers to purchase this violent game. Hypocrisy?

- There are families in Vietnam taking loans to send their kids to learn soldering ... yet there are families in the US buying $150 sneakers for their kids ... and maxing their credit cards ... @ 15.5% APR no less ! Brain In the Drain ?

- There are kids in India who walk miles to get to a school with no air conditioning and yet make it to medicine and engineering ... yet we have kids in the US that view school as a social playground for dates ... and the occasional shootouts !

Are we doomed !!! ???

i have wondered many times as well about the salary question you posed. We have some fvuked up priorities when entertainers make 100x more than people who work hard to make a real difference for mankind. But that's the way this society is and nothing you or I can do to change that.

and another thing, you're preaching to the wrong crowd. Your point, albeit valid, will never get through to anyone here. Most here know nothing about living conditions in third world countries let alone have first hand experience with it. Some may know about it, but have no first hand experience with it. And unless you've seen how rough life is in other countries, you really cant appreciate fully all life has to offer here

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: JohnCU
what about sports stars making millions and millions while teachers get paid sh!t and even the EEs who keep the electricity flowing are not rolling in money.

the world wouldn't stop without football, but it would without teachers and engineers and doctors (although they make a lot)

teacher = anyone can do it, and people don't give a fvck about them

athlete = not anyone can do it, and people want to watch them

i disagree with the teacher part. while they are accepting many crapy teachers it still takes a person who wants to be around kis (and able to put with the bs). Not anyone can do it.

So you find a good babysitter thats semi-intelligent and there ya go. She doesn't even have to be THAT good of a babysitter. Just be willing to be around kids and put up with crap.

Granted, there are some good teachers. But they are few and far between.


For example. My senior year I was taking a computer graphics class. Our teacher was normally an art teacher that they shoved into CG because she knew art. She didn't know crap about computers though. Thats alright. We didn't get along with each other. So one assignment my good friend missed so I just did it for her real quick. We turned them both in. I got a D+ on mine and she got an A... on MINE. Granted they weren't the same thing, but the same person with the same skills created both... so why did I get a D+ and her an A? Simple, a stupid as$ vindictive teacher. She deserves nothing more than the 30k she makes, and maybe not even that much.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: raildogg
Well, when a country has so much technology, roads are paved, malls are everywhere, people are required to only specialize in one or two skills, fast food places everywhere, you are bound to have things such as this. Our wealth has played a part in people's psyche as well. People in other countries are determined to raise themselves and their countries up - many of us feel that our country is already at the top.

People in other countries are used to hardship, so working extra harder is not as hard to them as it is to us. I doubt most people in America can go to a forest and learn to survive there for a while. I doubt most Americans know anything about farming, starting a fire - you know, the basic things that people should know. I'll be honest, I don't know stuff like this either, but my excuse is that I was raised in America .

I agree that Katie Couric makes way more than scientists etc, but there is a reason for that. Millions of people don't watch scientists lecture. They watch tv shows, like Katie Couric's.

I find it very ironic (maybe that isn't the correct term) that countries such as India, China and others are trying to be more Westernized (mainly America and UK). They probably think how rosy things are over here, and for the most part, they are.

So you think its OK for bimbos and airheads and jocks to make millions to entertain us yet people that can move us ahead are given chicken feed?

freaking sports stars, movie stars, and all this BS giving people 20 mil to be on TV for looking good is rediclous... I'm tired of it myself this country is so backward assed its not even funny.
then we got the corrupt ass incompetant government who are all criminals and conmen just waiting to get caught.. not to mention hypocrites like this latest scumball to get caught.. pass laws and prosecute people for the same crimes you are guilty of..

man what a world..

You don't go into engineering for the money You can always go to law school...Amercia's great babysitter.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: JohnCU
what about sports stars making millions and millions while teachers get paid sh!t and even the EEs who keep the electricity flowing are not rolling in money.

the world wouldn't stop without football, but it would without teachers and engineers and doctors (although they make a lot)

Please don't include teachers in that group. Doctors and Engineers maybe. Most K-12 teachers are complete sh!t. They deserve what they make, 30k a year. Nothing more, cause they don't do crap. University teachers aren't often a whole lot better. There are some good ones, but some REALLY bad ones too. Just depends.

A professional athlete should without a doubt make more than a K-12 teacher, as its a MUCH MUCH more difficult career.

there is a reason we have so many ****** tgeaches. 30k a year is crap pay for the education they need. If we actually paid a teacher what they should be we would get better skilled teachers.

if you think a k-12 teacher does crap you are badly mistaken.

What do you suggest we pay them? And how do you suggest we go about moving to that pay scale? Just give ALL teachers a raise? Cause there are a LOT of teachers that are not worth a dime over 30k.

 

[EKKC]

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: vulcanman
Where are we headed folks ??

- Highest paid (level 15) scientist doing cutting edge research and earn 158K per year ... yet we have Katie Couric who hosts a 30-min newcast and earns 15 million a year!

- We have the cops on COPS chastising us about violence and crime yet we have the same Fox channel, during the commercial breaks, showing very graphic ads for SAINTS ROW on XBox ... enticing viewers to purchase this violent game. Hypocrisy?

- There are families in Vietnam taking loans to send their kids to learn soldering ... yet there are families in the US buying $150 sneakers for their kids ... and maxing their credit cards ... @ 15.5% APR no less ! Brain In the Drain ?

- There are kids in India who walk miles to get to a school with no air conditioning and yet make it to medicine and engineering ... yet we have kids in the US that view school as a social playground for dates ... and the occasional shootouts !

Are we doomed !!! ???

i have wondered many times as well about the salary question you posed. We have some fvuked up priorities when entertainers make 100x more than people who work hard to make a real difference for mankind. But that's the way this society is and nothing you or I can do to change that.

and another thing, you're preaching to the wrong crowd. Your point, albeit valid, will never get through to anyone here. Most here know nothing about living conditions in third world countries let alone have first hand experience with it. Some may know about it, but have no first hand experience with it. And unless you've seen how rough life is in other countries, you really cant appreciate fully all life has to offer here

you either work to benefit mankind, or you work for money.

translation:
you either are a saint, or a selfish bastage.

/thread

 

[bigrash]

Originally posted by: yamadakun
Don't worry, no child will be left behind.

lol

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: JohnCU
what about sports stars making millions and millions while teachers get paid sh!t and even the EEs who keep the electricity flowing are not rolling in money.

the world wouldn't stop without football, but it would without teachers and engineers and doctors (although they make a lot)

Please don't include teachers in that group. Doctors and Engineers maybe. Most K-12 teachers are complete sh!t. They deserve what they make, 30k a year. Nothing more, cause they don't do crap. University teachers aren't often a whole lot better. There are some good ones, but some REALLY bad ones too. Just depends.

A professional athlete should without a doubt make more than a K-12 teacher, as its a MUCH MUCH more difficult career.

there is a reason we have so many ****** tgeaches. 30k a year is crap pay for the education they need. If we actually paid a teacher what they should be we would get better skilled teachers.

if you think a k-12 teacher does crap you are badly mistaken.

What do you suggest we pay them? And how do you suggest we go about moving to that pay scale? Just give ALL teachers a raise? Cause there are a LOT of teachers that are not worth a dime over 30k.

Pay all 30k? hell no i agree there are some very bad teachers. i have had my share of them. But i have also had some that were outstanding.

i think the reason we get so many bad teachers is because we pay so little. the people with the skills go elsewhere to get better pay.

I would love to see teachers get paid far better. But they also need to redo the whole system.

do i know how to fix it? if i did i would be makeing a LOT of money. but i do know it needs to be fixed.

 

[DivideBYZero]

There are kids in India who walk miles to get to a school with no air conditioning

I just can't imagine walking without air conditioning. Those kids have it tough in India.

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: JohnCU
what about sports stars making millions and millions while teachers get paid sh!t and even the EEs who keep the electricity flowing are not rolling in money.

the world wouldn't stop without football, but it would without teachers and engineers and doctors (although they make a lot)

Please don't include teachers in that group. Doctors and Engineers maybe. Most K-12 teachers are complete sh!t. They deserve what they make, 30k a year. Nothing more, cause they don't do crap. University teachers aren't often a whole lot better. There are some good ones, but some REALLY bad ones too. Just depends.

A professional athlete should without a doubt make more than a K-12 teacher, as its a MUCH MUCH more difficult career.

there is a reason we have so many ****** tgeaches. 30k a year is crap pay for the education they need. If we actually paid a teacher what they should be we would get better skilled teachers.

if you think a k-12 teacher does crap you are badly mistaken.

What do you suggest we pay them? And how do you suggest we go about moving to that pay scale? Just give ALL teachers a raise? Cause there are a LOT of teachers that are not worth a dime over 30k.

Pay all 30k? hell no i agree there are some very bad teachers. i have had my share of them. But i have also had some that were outstanding.

i think the reason we get so many bad teachers is because we pay so little. the people with the skills go elsewhere to get better pay.

I would love to see teachers get paid far better. But they also need to redo the whole system.

do i know how to fix it? if i did i would be makeing a LOT of money. but i do know it needs to be fixed.

We agree there, it needs to be fixed. Entirely. Not just throw more money at the problem, like the USA likes to do.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

There are kids in India who walk miles to get to a school with no air conditioning

I just can't imagine walking without air conditioning. Those kids have it tough in India.

i hope you're kidding

 

[shortylickens]

I dont know how many people here realize this or not but America is a CAPITALIST country.
The basis for our economy is greed for things we dont really need.
Money is a medium of exchange, nothing more. If it doesnt change hands constantly it has no real value.

Celebrities make money because people choose to purchase the crap they are sponsored with.
NASA Employees get payed with taxes, and despite how the OP feels about them, I dont think he really wants a 10,000% increase in taxes just so a scientist can live the good life.

Capitalism works because of greed and willingness to aquire useless crap. If the government came in and delcared a celeb would have to get payed a set salary regardless of the revenue she generates, then our whole system would be working like the USSR's. OOPS! My bad.
It didnt work!

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

There are kids in India who walk miles to get to a school with no air conditioning

I just can't imagine walking without air conditioning. Those kids have it tough in India.

i hope you're kidding

yeah he is. they have little backpack A/C units for them.

 

[JSFLY]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: vulcanman
Where are we headed folks ??

- Highest paid (level 15) scientist doing cutting edge research and earn 158K per year ... yet we have Katie Couric who hosts a 30-min newcast and earns 15 million a year!

- We have the cops on COPS chastising us about violence and crime yet we have the same Fox channel, during the commercial breaks, showing very graphic ads for SAINTS ROW on XBox ... enticing viewers to purchase this violent game. Hypocrisy?

- There are families in Vietnam taking loans to send their kids to learn soldering ... yet there are families in the US buying $150 sneakers for their kids ... and maxing their credit cards ... @ 15.5% APR no less ! Brain In the Drain ?

- There are kids in India who walk miles to get to a school with no air conditioning and yet make it to medicine and engineering ... yet we have kids in the US that view school as a social playground for dates ... and the occasional shootouts !

Are we doomed !!! ???

Dude, Soviet Russia fell....

NASA Scientist = does not generate wealth, is a cost to society

Katie Couric = creates wealth, people watch her dumb show, hires producers, cameramen, makeup people, writers, reporters, all the way down to janitors so her face is on TV.

That is just so friggin Wrong.....

Scientists create new technologies which create MANY jobs for those in the business of profiting from technology. A scientists value to American society is so much more than that of a news anchor or whatever the hell Katie Couric does. If it weren't for scientists, we wouldnt have our pharmaceutical, aerospace, computer... etc etc industries that make our country the strongest economically in the world.

In addition Scientists can be teachers and share their knowledge with others.

Scientists DESERVE to be paid more based on their value to society.

What's Katie's value to society?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: JSFLY

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: vulcanman
Where are we headed folks ??

- Highest paid (level 15) scientist doing cutting edge research and earn 158K per year ... yet we have Katie Couric who hosts a 30-min newcast and earns 15 million a year!

- We have the cops on COPS chastising us about violence and crime yet we have the same Fox channel, during the commercial breaks, showing very graphic ads for SAINTS ROW on XBox ... enticing viewers to purchase this violent game. Hypocrisy?

- There are families in Vietnam taking loans to send their kids to learn soldering ... yet there are families in the US buying $150 sneakers for their kids ... and maxing their credit cards ... @ 15.5% APR no less ! Brain In the Drain ?

- There are kids in India who walk miles to get to a school with no air conditioning and yet make it to medicine and engineering ... yet we have kids in the US that view school as a social playground for dates ... and the occasional shootouts !

Are we doomed !!! ???

Dude, Soviet Russia fell....

NASA Scientist = does not generate wealth, is a cost to society

Katie Couric = creates wealth, people watch her dumb show, hires producers, cameramen, makeup people, writers, reporters, all the way down to janitors so her face is on TV.

That is just so friggin Wrong.....

Scientists create new technologies which create MANY jobs for those in the business of profiting from technology. A scientists value to American society is so much more than that of a news anchor or whatever the hell Katie Couric does. If it weren't for scientists, we wouldnt have our pharmaceutical, aerospace, computer... etc etc industries that make our country the strongest economically in the world.

In addition Scientists can be teachers and share their knowledge with others.

Scientists DESERVE to be paid more based on their value to society.

What's Katie's value to society?

value to society is nice but that does not pay the bills.

value to shareholders is what counts. katie's value is high (why? i have no clue i sure wouldnt pay her even hafl that) and the value of a scientist while high is not even close.

 

[mordantmonkey]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: JohnCU
what about sports stars making millions and millions while teachers get paid sh!t and even the EEs who keep the electricity flowing are not rolling in money.

the world wouldn't stop without football, but it would without teachers and engineers and doctors (although they make a lot)

teacher = anyone can do it, and people don't give a fvck about them

athlete = not anyone can do it, and people want to watch them

athlete = anyone can do it. but only a few can do it well.

If teachers were paid far more, the only people doing it would be the ones who could do it well. or rather the competition for the jobs would create a higher standard to which people would strive with the current setup, many unqualified people just walk into the job.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: JohnCU
what about sports stars making millions and millions while teachers get paid sh!t and even the EEs who keep the electricity flowing are not rolling in money.

the world wouldn't stop without football, but it would without teachers and engineers and doctors (although they make a lot)

teacher = anyone can do it, and people don't give a fvck about them

athlete = not anyone can do it, and people want to watch them

i disagree with the teacher part. while they are accepting many crapy teachers it still takes a person who wants to be around kis (and able to put with the bs). Not anyone can do it.

i don't think it's too hard to follow cookie cutter curriculum teacher guides. of course a "good" teacher is rare. but i still maintain anyone who can get a job in the real world can be a teacher.

 

[SpanishFry]

Originally posted by: EKKC

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: vulcanman
Where are we headed folks ??

- Highest paid (level 15) scientist doing cutting edge research and earn 158K per year ... yet we have Katie Couric who hosts a 30-min newcast and earns 15 million a year!

- We have the cops on COPS chastising us about violence and crime yet we have the same Fox channel, during the commercial breaks, showing very graphic ads for SAINTS ROW on XBox ... enticing viewers to purchase this violent game. Hypocrisy?

- There are families in Vietnam taking loans to send their kids to learn soldering ... yet there are families in the US buying $150 sneakers for their kids ... and maxing their credit cards ... @ 15.5% APR no less ! Brain In the Drain ?

- There are kids in India who walk miles to get to a school with no air conditioning and yet make it to medicine and engineering ... yet we have kids in the US that view school as a social playground for dates ... and the occasional shootouts !

Are we doomed !!! ???

i have wondered many times as well about the salary question you posed. We have some fvuked up priorities when entertainers make 100x more than people who work hard to make a real difference for mankind. But that's the way this society is and nothing you or I can do to change that.

and another thing, you're preaching to the wrong crowd. Your point, albeit valid, will never get through to anyone here. Most here know nothing about living conditions in third world countries let alone have first hand experience with it. Some may know about it, but have no first hand experience with it. And unless you've seen how rough life is in other countries, you really cant appreciate fully all life has to offer here

you either work to benefit mankind, or you work for money.

translation:
you either are a saint, or a selfish bastage.

/thread

Exactly. By paying that amount, you attract people that are career-driven, or driven by their findings. If you were to pay NASA scientists millions you would attract a lot of halfwit money seekers that you find across the country in law schools and medical schools.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: JohnCU
what about sports stars making millions and millions while teachers get paid sh!t and even the EEs who keep the electricity flowing are not rolling in money.

the world wouldn't stop without football, but it would without teachers and engineers and doctors (although they make a lot)

teacher = anyone can do it, and people don't give a fvck about them

athlete = not anyone can do it, and people want to watch them

I do agree Teachers should be paid more. Because today, teachers are fvcking retarded and I mean that. I'm smarter as a whole then most of my teachers. That is sad.

And it won't change until their salary changes. Why would someone with an actual brain become a teacher unless their also a Christian or something where its their religion that they have to live so humble. And truly intelligent people who follow such outrageous religion's are pretty rare for the same reason why intelligent teachers are.