So, what are some good Nirvana songs...?

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

Originally posted by: AmazonRasta

Originally posted by: Placer14
Hahaha, you are SO 20 years late. Hehehe.

Or at least 15.

Doesn't mean the never made any good songs. Sh!t, I purchased Are You Experienced 12" vinyl LP off of Ebay a while ago. I'm only forty years late. Doesn't mean Hendrix wasn't God of guitar.

True, but you should not compare the 2. Cobain was never in Hendrix league.

Not technically, but their influence continues on and will continue for a long time. Their styles of music influence different types of people. While Cobain may not be in the same league as Jimi in playing ability, Jimi couldn't hold a candle to Kurt in songwriting and emotion.

Uh, yeah. Cobain's song writing is mediocre at best. Hendrix blows Cobain away in song writing and emotion. I suggest some more research into Hendrix. Don't think that I hate Cobain, I don't, but he is no genius either despite what genx'ers want to believe.

I have only been listening to what Jimi wrote for the past 15 years. How much more research do you want me to do?

You have your opinion and I have mine. Mine is that Kurt Cobain, while a sloppy guitar player, was a genius when it came to song writing, melodies and lyrics. Jimi Hendrix was a good songwriter who was a god at playing guitar. How would it sound if I said "I don't hate Jimi Hendrix, but he is no genius despite what a bunch of hippies want to believe." That isn't fair. It is very much a generational thing.

Not really. Hendrix has/had talent. Cobain didn't. Thats the difference. It is not a generational thing either. If a group is famous it doesn't mean its good. Talent is different from fame. And if a group lacks talent then it does; no matter when that group started. I never said that Nirvana sucks. I just stated that they are way overated and have little talent, like most grunge bands.

Some real geniuses at song writing and melodies and arrangements (ie production) would be Jimmy Page/Robert Plant and Lennon/McCartney. Especially Page. He is a great producer and very meticulous at getting just the right sounds for his songs. Compare that to the grunge scene where these things have little meaning. Grunge is mostly about making noise.

If you like grunge that is great. I won't tell anyone what they should listen to. However, exaggerating the talent (or lack there of) of Cobain in comparison to great musicians like Hendrix, Page, Beck, Clapton, etc.... is very offensive. I prefer to keep things in perspective. Nirvana is okay as a band but not the best band. In 50 years no one will care what Nirvana sang. Led Zep, ACDC, Beatles, Stones, Hendrix Experience? They will still be rembered as the greats they were.

 

[Woodchuck2000]

I really like Lithium but that's probably just me...

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: Iron Woode

Originally posted by: AmazonRasta

Originally posted by: Placer14
Hahaha, you are SO 20 years late. Hehehe.

Or at least 15.

Doesn't mean the never made any good songs. Sh!t, I purchased Are You Experienced 12" vinyl LP off of Ebay a while ago. I'm only forty years late. Doesn't mean Hendrix wasn't God of guitar.

True, but you should not compare the 2. Cobain was never in Hendrix league.

Not technically, but their influence continues on and will continue for a long time. Their styles of music influence different types of people. While Cobain may not be in the same league as Jimi in playing ability, Jimi couldn't hold a candle to Kurt in songwriting and emotion.

Uh, yeah. Cobain's song writing is mediocre at best. Hendrix blows Cobain away in song writing and emotion. I suggest some more research into Hendrix. Don't think that I hate Cobain, I don't, but he is no genius either despite what genx'ers want to believe.

I have only been listening to what Jimi wrote for the past 15 years. How much more research do you want me to do?

You have your opinion and I have mine. Mine is that Kurt Cobain, while a sloppy guitar player, was a genius when it came to song writing, melodies and lyrics. Jimi Hendrix was a good songwriter who was a god at playing guitar. How would it sound if I said "I don't hate Jimi Hendrix, but he is no genius despite what a bunch of hippies want to believe." That isn't fair. It is very much a generational thing.

Not really. Hendrix has/had talent. Cobain didn't. Thats the difference. It is not a generational thing either. If a group is famous it doesn't mean its good. Talent is different from fame. And if a group lacks talent then it does; no matter when that group started. I never said that Nirvana sucks. I just stated that they are way overated and have little talent, like most grunge bands.

Some real geniuses at song writing and melodies and arrangements (ie production) would be Jimmy Page/Robert Plant and Lennon/McCartney. Especially Page. He is a great producer and very meticulous at getting just the right sounds for his songs. Compare that to the grunge scene where these things have little meaning. Grunge is mostly about making noise.

If you like grunge that is great. I won't tell anyone what they should listen to. However, exaggerating the talent (or lack there of) of Cobain in comparison to great musicians like Hendrix, Page, Beck, Clapton, etc.... is very offensive. I prefer to keep things in perspective. Nirvana is okay as a band but not the best band. In 50 years no one will care what Nirvana sang. Led Zep, ACDC, Beatles, Stones, Hendrix Experience? They will still be rembered as the greats they were.

I am not exaggerating anything. The band Nirvana was influential for a reason: They made good music and it spoke to the people of a specific generation.

What do you really know about (as you called it) grunge music? The fact that you call it that tells me that you just lump it all together and give it a big fat thumbs down. I agree with you saying that a band that is famous isn't necessarily good (See every boy band ever, Vanilla Ice, MC Hammer, Poison, and the like), but that isn't what this is about. In 10 years, people will still be making fun of Poison/Warrant/Boy bands etc, but people will still be listening to Nirvana.

You say that Nirvana is not talented, then talk about how AC/DC is great? I am not doubting the rest of that list (I am a HUGE Beatles fan and a big Zeppelin fan too) but who are you to say that no one will remember what Nirvana sang. Nevermind is over 10 years old now and people care. Nirvana was the biggest band of the 90s. Their music will be around for a long, long time. Look at this thread. The guy who is looking for the Nirvana songs is a teenager. When Nirvana hit, he was probably 5-8 years old, yet he still wants to hear more.

Again, I am not overstating the talent of Cobain. I am saying that he is a very good songwriter, and let me clarify that statement. I don't mean songwriter from a technical aspect. From lyrics to melody, he beat the hell out of Hendrix (in my opinion). I would NEVER say that he was a great guitar player. Who in their right mind would? He was sloppy. He didn't care about that. Comparing just about ANYONE to Hendrix when it comes to the ability to play the guitar is a fruitless arguement. What I am talking about is the songs that he wrote, not just the music that accompanied them.

If Cobain had no talent, then I would love to see you pick up a guitar and write a song. I am a musician. I play the guitar. In fact, I STARTED playing because of Kurt and Nirvana. He (and the band) taught me that you don't have to be a guitar virtuoso to be appreciated. It taught me that if you have passion in your music, people will appreciate it. I don't just listen to music to hear a guy rip off a 2 minute solo or to hear what octave some lead singer can hit. That doesn't mean SQUAT if it is not based with some passion.

Listen, I am not trying to pump Nirvana or Cobain and say they are the greatest band of all time. I have an open ear. I like music from MANY generations. My favorite band in the entire world is the Beatles. They are the greatest band ever. But Nirvana did (and still does) have influence, and that is never going to go away. They were the biggest band of a generation. Try taking Led Zeppelin or the Beatles away from the teenagers of the 70s or 60s, respectively. Nirvana is that band of the 90s.

 

[LS20]

yay for music elitism!

 

[silverpig]

I liked Nirvana until I started playing guitar. When I realized that a guy with 1 month of experience on the guitar could learn every Nirvana song in less than a week I lost a lot of respect for them.

Sure, maybe they were passionate about what they did, but so are virtually all other musicians. The only thing is, most musicians have musical talent.... then there's the likes of Britney Spears etc etc...

 

[Phuz]

Iron Woode

You're way off base. You can't possible even place Hendrix in the same context as Cobain, regardless, you're simply not correct about his influence and his importance. It doesn't matter what you think of his song writing, or whether or not his music had any melody, the point is, his following was devistating.

Most professors and experts on musical eras and influence will tell you that Cobain wasn't just respected by "gen x'ers".

 

[FrogDog]

Their "new" one, You Know You're Right, is quite good.

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Some of you have very little idea what you're talking about.

Kurt considered himself a terrible guitar player and often made fun of this. He was average at best.
In fact, he could not even tune a guitar and had to get Krist to do it for him every time.

Kurt also referred to his songs as 'kindergarten rock'.... meaning extremely simple structure and melodies.
Some of the lead guitar riffs in his songs can barely pass for rythmic riffs.

However, Kurt wrote very melodic, very catchy, very honest songs with amazing lyrics and he performed with raw (and often VERY unrefined) passion.

You can hate Kurt and his music all you want but you cannot change the fact that Nirvana was one of if not the most influential band of the 90s.
Rolling Stone voted Kurt the artist of the 90s.... and NOT because he was popular... Nirvana's sales are miniscule compared to many artists out there.
Alanis Morrisette sold more of her first album than Nirvana has sold total to date.

It's not only music fans but many other musicians who hold a lot of respect for Kurt as an artist. Ask Anthony Kiedis of RHCP who he thinks the best songwriter of his generation is.

 

[Aceshigh]

I am not exaggerating anything. The band Nirvana was influential for a reason: They made good music and it spoke to the people of a specific generation.

Well, I think it just shows that the majority of that generation had crap taste in music. Nirvana was the most overated band of recent memory.

Flame away.

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: Aceshigh

I am not exaggerating anything. The band Nirvana was influential for a reason: They made good music and it spoke to the people of a specific generation.

Well, I think it just shows that the majority of that generation had crap taste in music. Nirvana was the most overated band of recent memory.

Flame away.

Can I say that because the majority of the generation now likes rap music, that the majority has crap tastes in music, because I think rap == crap?

Flame away.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Originally posted by: Aceshigh

I am not exaggerating anything. The band Nirvana was influential for a reason: They made good music and it spoke to the people of a specific generation.

Well, I think it just shows that the majority of that generation had crap taste in music. Nirvana was the most overated band of recent memory.

Flame away.

I think that the majority's taste in music is growing increasingly worse.

 

[joeryu]

whether you guys may like it or not...nirvana was no doubt the biggest band of the 90's. people still buy their cds and listen to their music - even their cds that came out years ago. i agree that kurt wasnt a great guitar player, but u cant take away his talent for writing. he was so great at it cause he LOVED what he did. you can feel his emotions in the songs. they are definately a great band, and will never be forgotten, just like the beatles, led zepplin, etc.

 

[Aceshigh]

Originally posted by: jliechty

Originally posted by: Aceshigh

I am not exaggerating anything. The band Nirvana was influential for a reason: They made good music and it spoke to the people of a specific generation.

Well, I think it just shows that the majority of that generation had crap taste in music. Nirvana was the most overated band of recent memory.

Flame away.

Can I say that because the majority of the generation now likes rap music, that the majority has crap tastes in music, because I think rap == crap?

Flame away.

Yes you can! Rap sux too

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: Aceshigh

Originally posted by: jliechty

Originally posted by: Aceshigh

I am not exaggerating anything. The band Nirvana was influential for a reason: They made good music and it spoke to the people of a specific generation.

Well, I think it just shows that the majority of that generation had crap taste in music. Nirvana was the most overated band of recent memory.

Flame away.

Can I say that because the majority of the generation now likes rap music, that the majority has crap tastes in music, because I think rap == crap?

Flame away.

Yes you can! Rap sux too

Seriously, I hate rap, and although I don't give a sh*t what you listen to in the privacy of your own home / headphones, I do have a problem with people that love their rap and think everybody else within a 30,000 km radius should love it as well. :disgust:

Maybe it's just me, but IMHO "Rap" and "music" just seem to be two words that don't fit well together in the same sentence. Perhaps I feel this way because all rap consists of is people talking in street slang which I can not understand. Anyway, I'd just go watch Oprah if I wanted to listen to someone pointlessly talking. :|

And, for the record, I do have some Nirvana MP3s, but they aren't my favorite. Perhaps it's just because I place more value on the musical complexity of a piece than on the words that go with it, but musically, Nirvana's songs just don't have much depth (AFAIK, nobody's really debating that issue here), and I would rather spend my time listening to something else.

<-- puts on some Dream Theater and settles down.

Sorry for my little mini-rant, but I'll try to stay on topic from now on in this thread.

 

[Phuz]

In fact, he could not even tune a guitar and had to get Krist to do it for him every time.

That is NOT true. I'm sorry, but you obviously don't play guitar.
He was a musician, he understood tones, octives, and the way it all worked. Thats a myth.

When he was out of tune, it was because he simply didn't care.

 

[djheater]

It's been a few years but I thoroughly enjoyed Bleach when it came out.

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: Aceshigh

I am not exaggerating anything. The band Nirvana was influential for a reason: They made good music and it spoke to the people of a specific generation.

Well, I think it just shows that the majority of that generation had crap taste in music. Nirvana was the most overated band of recent memory.

Flame away.

"That generation".

What do you consider good?

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: jliechty
Perhaps it's just because I place more value on the musical complexity of a piece than on the words that go with it

See the sig

 

[Aceshigh]

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: Aceshigh

I am not exaggerating anything. The band Nirvana was influential for a reason: They made good music and it spoke to the people of a specific generation.

Well, I think it just shows that the majority of that generation had crap taste in music. Nirvana was the most overated band of recent memory.

Flame away.

"That generation".

What do you consider good?

Well, I know alot of people are gonna crack on me for this. But my favorite music is metal. Good 70's,80's,early 90's power metal. Stuff like Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Dio, and Queensryche.

And grunge, and specifically Nirvana, helped kill metal's popularity back in the early 90's. And Nirvana was pretty talentless compared to any of the bands that I mentioned. They could write amazing songs, they could play an instrument with perfection, and they had decent singers which could hold a note, unlike overated Kurt Cobain.

Hey, everyone is entitled to like what they like, but I feel that Gen X for the most part missed out on some really talented bands because they weren't what was cool at the time. Grunge and rap was all you would see on MTV.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: silverpig
I liked Nirvana until I started playing guitar. When I realized that a guy with 1 month of experience on the guitar could learn every Nirvana song in less than a week I lost a lot of respect for them.

Sure, maybe they were passionate about what they did, but so are virtually all other musicians. The only thing is, most musicians have musical talent.... then there's the likes of Britney Spears etc etc...

I agree that they may not have been the most technically proficient band, but that doesn't detract from the quality of their music. I learned every song within a few months my senior year of HS; all their music is basically 8 chords. The Police created songs that were even more simplistic, but again, great music.

Chiz

 

[Phuz]

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: silverpig
I liked Nirvana until I started playing guitar. When I realized that a guy with 1 month of experience on the guitar could learn every Nirvana song in less than a week I lost a lot of respect for them.

Sure, maybe they were passionate about what they did, but so are virtually all other musicians. The only thing is, most musicians have musical talent.... then there's the likes of Britney Spears etc etc...

I agree that they may not have been the most technically proficient band, but that doesn't detract from the quality of their music. I learned every song within a few months my senior year of HS; all their music is basically 8 chords. The Police created songs that were even more simplistic, but again, great music.

Chiz

I learned how to Play guitar by learning Nirvana songs. My dad didn't really teach with theory and invidiual notes.. Instead, I was taught a few chords at a time. That got boring quickly. So, he'd tell me to pick out a basic song and learn it. I picked out: On A Plain, About A Girl, Where Did you Sleep last night.

Simple works. Obviously.

Some of the harder stuff helped a lot too, you build so much finger strength when you learn what a power chord is
It was a good foundation to start on.

Now I playing mostly just older stuff, and anything blues.. zeppelin/hendrix/beatles/anything 12 bar and so on.