Its the only way to be 
Has he heard of batteries?
I can turn a bike and a car alternator into a reliable source of electricty to run GPS's and short wave radios power tools and so on, in fact the SW I have has a hand crank generator built right in.
A big army needs fuel and food, cut it off just like the Russians with the scortched earth policy.
Try to convince those soldiers in the military to kill friends and family? Won't happen.
Has he heard of batteries?
I can turn a bike and a car alternator into a reliable source of electricty to run GPS's and short wave radios power tools and so on, in fact the SW I have has a hand crank generator built right in.
A big army needs fuel and food, cut it off just like the Russians with the scortched earth policy.
Try to convince those soldiers in the military to kill friends and family? Won't happen.
---------------------------
*Ding dong*
Walk to the door
Me: "Who is it?"
Stranger: "BTK..."
Me: "Hold on one sec."
*Grabs gun*
*fires through door*
Me: "You there?"
Stranger: "..." *thud*
*goes back to watching Seinfeld*
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I arm myself for all the crazy people who think they are sane.
/Thread
*Ding dong*
Walk to the door
Me: "Who is it?"
Stranger: "BTK..."
Me: "Hold on one sec."
*Grabs gun*
*fires through door*
Me: "You there?"
Stranger: "..." *thud*
*goes back to watching Seinfeld*
--------------------
I arm myself for all the crazy people who think they are sane.
/Thread
jlee
Lifer
- Sep 12, 2001
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I'm about to eat dinner, so I don't have time to reply (again) to your repeat post that has, for the most part, been answered at least twice..but:
With the contents of the gunstore in the small town I grew up in, the town could be set up to cause severe casualties on whatever force tried to invade it - unless they wanted to level the area, which is counter-productive if you're trying to keep the country intact. Urban warfare is not as easy as your computer games make it seem - and I have the feeling that they are your only link to this concept.
Yes, that it would - and the US Military would be at a severe disadvantage without those tanks you were talking about.
With the contents of the gunstore in the small town I grew up in, the town could be set up to cause severe casualties on whatever force tried to invade it - unless they wanted to level the area, which is counter-productive if you're trying to keep the country intact. Urban warfare is not as easy as your computer games make it seem - and I have the feeling that they are your only link to this concept.
alkemyst
No Lifer
- Feb 13, 2001
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Like a special olympian going for a marathon win, you rise again.
Right, why I mentioned COMPASS and GPS...until the satellites are blocked (US doesn't own them all by the way)...GPS will be quicker...then switch to compass.
A few good boy scouts (the serious ones, not the cub scout you may have encounted) will probably be very valuable in these times. Even if just setting up make shift shelters...but I am sure your game guide mentioned that.
I know a couple of national guardsman and ex-vets that take it seriously...so much so that paintball isn't much fun with them. You do realize paintball was designed for this in mind.
Your point? Foot would more than likely be the way travel would want to be done.
hand generator? building batteries? I am perhaps stretching reality a bit here.
Well in these times the way it would go down would not be pretty. Those opposed / in conflict with the majority would more than likely be shot on sight. The army would not be in most areas...it would be impossible. You can be sure certain hot spots would be contained. That is the beauty of the US.
to a teenager maybe.
American way? It's the intelligent way. Wow Jingoistic ... thesauraus anyone...it'd be one thing if you were dropping these beauties throughout, but now the idiot in you feels they need to defend their brainpower. You do realize the last thing an intelligent person would do if they felt they are speaking to one of small mind, would be to drop big words.
There is no need for you to reply, get it? You can ignore this topic while the rest of us remember you are clueless and probably live in fear thinking about it.
However, I will leave you with one thing...since the US government is so solid to you. You are one of those that would have never bet $100 for a winning prize $1,000,000 against the Twin Towers falling in their lifetime.
I don't think you really know what's going on in the world at all.
alkemyst
No Lifer
- Feb 13, 2001
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As much as I would like to believe this...this has been proven false throughout time. Promised enough money, told the people have betrayed the 'president', etc seem to work on even some of the best soldiers. Fortunately some of the best soldiers will make a break for it.
When this is presented, it usually has been brainwashed in a bit over some time.
Then a 'meeting' happens, those not in favor usually say 'AIIIIEIEEEEEEE'
I seriously see major world changes happening in possibly my great grandchildren's life times. The majority in the US is changing, unfortunately a lot of the minority that is becoming the majority are a bit anti-American. I know the cuban minority here is greatly against the US saying how Cuba is wonderful...same with the Haitians. I am not saying all of them at all. Many love the opportunity they gain here...but it's soon forgotten by their children who get ethnic/country pride (nothing wrong with that as a whole).
Plus technology is putting more and more powerful weapons in to many people's hands. It's not hard for a beginning chemistry student even to know enough to blow up their own school...people in general don't do these things nor apply themselves that way. However, you have a good group of people studying in american at this moment to do just those kinds of things.
We can argue about the logistics of how you'd fight a war in your own back yard against your own people 'till the cows come home, and that's just great. I'm sure the guns, boy scouts and paintball clubs give you a warm sense of security, and I'm happy for you. I'd disagree with your views, but that's the way of the world.
However, my original point here all that time ago was that your government isn't going to turn around and start attacking you, nor are a group of people going to overthrow the government when they do something they disagree with. A point you appear to avoid, somewhat. Note points of problems giving orders to soldiers to attack their own, NATO, political suicide, huge risk to national security from invasion of an external force during a civil conflict, etc.
*Your government is not going to attack you; you do not need a gun to defend yourself from your own government or external force*
As for my use of the word jingoistic: go look up synonyms for it in a thesaurus and you'll see there are few. It was the correct word to use at the time and wasn't overly 'big' as you put it. It grinds when the ignorant mock those who use the english language properly.
Finally, it's all very well and good you insulting me for using 'big' words, calling me a teenager, clueless, in fear, that I don't know what's going on in the world, that I'm an idiot and in the 'special olympics' and all that.... it's fine: it simply reveals that this topic has struck a nerve and when faced with little material with which to argue, you resort to insults. I understand.
Take care, chap.
As for the guy who believes tanks fill up at their local petrol stations and not from military supplies... well good luck to you.
However, my original point here all that time ago was that your government isn't going to turn around and start attacking you, nor are a group of people going to overthrow the government when they do something they disagree with. A point you appear to avoid, somewhat. Note points of problems giving orders to soldiers to attack their own, NATO, political suicide, huge risk to national security from invasion of an external force during a civil conflict, etc.
*Your government is not going to attack you; you do not need a gun to defend yourself from your own government or external force*
As for my use of the word jingoistic: go look up synonyms for it in a thesaurus and you'll see there are few. It was the correct word to use at the time and wasn't overly 'big' as you put it. It grinds when the ignorant mock those who use the english language properly.
Finally, it's all very well and good you insulting me for using 'big' words, calling me a teenager, clueless, in fear, that I don't know what's going on in the world, that I'm an idiot and in the 'special olympics' and all that.... it's fine: it simply reveals that this topic has struck a nerve and when faced with little material with which to argue, you resort to insults. I understand.
Take care, chap.
As for the guy who believes tanks fill up at their local petrol stations and not from military supplies... well good luck to you.
exdeath
Lifer
- Jan 29, 2004
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Originally posted by: alkemyst
yawn?
what's a Master Sword (My Toys)?
*yawn* sitting back and watching the show unfold. You, Amused, OP, etc, among others, have already beaten to death the anti gun arguments leaving me with nothing to add really
The Master Sword is Link's most powerful sword in the Zelda games. The significance of which is that it is the most highly sought after blade which is not reproduced in real steel. This was a custom commission, hand forged of EN45 spring steel
There is often a very thin line between what gun fans consider "law-abiding" and "not law abiding" citizens. They cannot accept this truth because it is the basis for any rational justification of gun ownership.
Strangers may see a not so honorable side of the friends and family you love and are loyal to. They may see, in conflict or otherwise, a side of them that are only marginally law-abiding. Given a situation involving the anarchy where Katrina ravaged, it is not much of a stretch to see such an individual using the gun (though not necessarily shooting it) in a non-defensive manner.
The mind is a fragile thing - given a desparate situation like Katrina, it takes little to drive a previously sane person to act in completely irresponsible ways. Take those sn ipers for instance.
Dialogue on this board has drawn me a little closer to the middle ground - with thorough background checks, I believe it is reasonable for a person to purchase and leave a handgun at home, but that is all I support. Anything more than that to me, is still simply ego-driven, or in the case of perhaps a few, the desire to protect oneself against someone they screwed over...
Strangers may see a not so honorable side of the friends and family you love and are loyal to. They may see, in conflict or otherwise, a side of them that are only marginally law-abiding. Given a situation involving the anarchy where Katrina ravaged, it is not much of a stretch to see such an individual using the gun (though not necessarily shooting it) in a non-defensive manner.
The mind is a fragile thing - given a desparate situation like Katrina, it takes little to drive a previously sane person to act in completely irresponsible ways. Take those sn ipers for instance.
Dialogue on this board has drawn me a little closer to the middle ground - with thorough background checks, I believe it is reasonable for a person to purchase and leave a handgun at home, but that is all I support. Anything more than that to me, is still simply ego-driven, or in the case of perhaps a few, the desire to protect oneself against someone they screwed over...
exdeath
Lifer
- Jan 29, 2004
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A gun left at home or unloaded is useless. Convince otherwise those who have been killed while out eating dinner or waiting in line to pay for gas.
Thinking that everyone can be peaceful and civilized is an extremely dangerous idealistic view of the world. The reality is that only we as individuals can strive for that ideal, and hope that everyone else can to, all the while being prepared to handle occasional "glitches" in the system. I believe in open carry and think conceal carry certification should be extended to include trained and legal airline carry. We the people can (or used to be able to) take care of ourselves. The 2nd amendment is the oldest and most effective homeland security we have. We don't need air marshals that can?t be everywhere and federal security; in fact federal security is a farce that serves only to makes white sheeple feel safe while they chug beer and watch TV. The reality is only you are responsible for your own security, and if you are feeling generous, the security of those around you who are incapable of thinking for themselves.
There is no excuse for the actions of those in N.O., I don't buy "fragile mind." They acted how they would probably always act if there were no consequences. A true measure of a person's integrity is how that person behaves in situations like N.O. while carrying the ability to impart life or death for another person inches from their fingers in a time where there may not be consequences.
And snipers.... the media has overused the term... anyone that can throw a rock from behind a wall and duck back down is considered an expert sharp shooter in the eyes of the media. A true "sniper" would have killed one person for every shot fired, and to my knowledge, nobody in N.O. has been downed by "sniper" fire. In fact, from what I have heard regarding these lousy "snipers" suggests they wouldn't even qualify in basic marksmanship.
And all the talk about "paramilitary" groups and "vigilantes" (ie: minuteman project, armed civilians patrolling for looters in N.O., etc) ... don't forget this country and our beloved constitution was FOUNDED AND WRITTEN BY vigilantes and militia men who figured out long ago what people today still don't get.
"we pledge our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor"
exdeath
Lifer
- Jan 29, 2004
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By the way, there is a private security firm hiring for contract work for experienced "door kickers" to help in N.O. with looters, convoy security, etc. I'll dig up the details if anyone is interested. It's bring your own hardware, food, water, etc. and a minimum of $200 a day and 2 week contract intervals if I remember right. Possibly tax free?
I'd love to go, but the summer is over and I'm back in school with a 4.0 to maintain
UPDATE:
http://www.blackwaterusa.com
"Must emphasize that following is for serious operators only. Amateurs need not apply.
Gary Jackson from Blackwater called today asking for help in recruiting security personnel to work in New Orleans. He needs 200 operators right away. Pay is $200.00/day, plus expenses. Transportation, per diem, lodging, and necessary equipment provided. No time to train. You need to be good to go when your feet hit the ground. It is a 14-day gig, which will probably be extended. Operators are to provide security for museums, critical infrastructure, and convoys.
Gary emphasized this is no job for amateurs. He needs ?gun people? who know how to ?operate effectively.?
For those interested, Gary?s contact number at Blackwater is: 252 435 2488, ext 324."
I'd love to go, but the summer is over and I'm back in school with a 4.0 to maintain
UPDATE:
http://www.blackwaterusa.com
"Must emphasize that following is for serious operators only. Amateurs need not apply.
Gary Jackson from Blackwater called today asking for help in recruiting security personnel to work in New Orleans. He needs 200 operators right away. Pay is $200.00/day, plus expenses. Transportation, per diem, lodging, and necessary equipment provided. No time to train. You need to be good to go when your feet hit the ground. It is a 14-day gig, which will probably be extended. Operators are to provide security for museums, critical infrastructure, and convoys.
Gary emphasized this is no job for amateurs. He needs ?gun people? who know how to ?operate effectively.?
For those interested, Gary?s contact number at Blackwater is: 252 435 2488, ext 324."
I don't go out late at night by myself, or to questionable places. I protect the home I own with simple, sensible but not over-the-top ways I can't afford that would probably inconvenience me the most. I have so far been 100% successful in protecting myself and my family in this way. So personally, I have never understood why some people take the whole vigilante "only you are responsible for protecting yourself so you better do a damn good job" mentality and legitimize it with all this talk about history and philosophy. What about the precedence the cavemen gave us with the hunting and the spears and the fires? We are trying to be a civilized society here, and I think it is reasonable to believe that if you don't go asking for trouble or live in the most opulent of homes, you can do well without being concerned about your safety first and foremost.
Call it idealistic, but you can't knock the fact that I've perhaps saved a considerable amount of money, time, effort, and most of all, anxiety over those that chose to or have reason to carry. The obvious exception being those public servants and the millitary, most of which I have the utmost respect for.
The "fragile mind" part was not an excuse - it was an observation. I damn them just the same. I do believe that when your life and the lives of those you love are on the line, your priorities shift, and your moral principles may take a back seat. The looters? Sure - they're opportunistic amoral people. But for many whoses lives are on the line, or perceive their lives are on the line, I stand by my theory. It's human.
As for the snipers... their level of expertise is irrelevant. They are a story only because guns are so available via legal and illegal channels.
One day when technology allows, there may be people on this board defending the right to carry baby nukes.
exdeath
Lifer
- Jan 29, 2004
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Personal nukes?
While I am a firm supporter of the right to bear "arms", I understand the difference between "arms" and military "ordnance"...
While I think civilians should have access to explosives and items of that nature I don't expect that it would be proper to anybody, gun owners or not, for individuals to carry items like nuclear weapons around in their pockets...
Back to general explosives, I don't think they should be EASILY obtainable by anybody, but it would be nice to know I as a respectable citizen have those options should the government decide to unlawfully raid my home or legions of muslims are knocking at my door or Mexico formally declares its invasion of the US (I am ~60 miles from the border and would be on the front line) and I need the capacity to eliminate those individuals more effectively/rapidly/safely (for myself) than firearms can provide for.
Far fetched? Maybe... maybe not (given the current terrorism situation, the political/social split in the country, the Kelo ruling, illegal immigration out of control, etc)
Paranoid? Not at all. I work full time, go to school, etc. just like most everyone else without a thought to any of this. But I am educated in those ways and I won't be like those mindless sheep you see on the news "we don't know what to do, we are waiting for someone to tell us what to do!!!" when major catastrophe occurs.
Wake up from the beer, titties, and football and smell the real world.
While I am a firm supporter of the right to bear "arms", I understand the difference between "arms" and military "ordnance"...
While I think civilians should have access to explosives and items of that nature I don't expect that it would be proper to anybody, gun owners or not, for individuals to carry items like nuclear weapons around in their pockets...
Back to general explosives, I don't think they should be EASILY obtainable by anybody, but it would be nice to know I as a respectable citizen have those options should the government decide to unlawfully raid my home or legions of muslims are knocking at my door or Mexico formally declares its invasion of the US (I am ~60 miles from the border and would be on the front line) and I need the capacity to eliminate those individuals more effectively/rapidly/safely (for myself) than firearms can provide for.
Far fetched? Maybe... maybe not (given the current terrorism situation, the political/social split in the country, the Kelo ruling, illegal immigration out of control, etc)
Paranoid? Not at all. I work full time, go to school, etc. just like most everyone else without a thought to any of this. But I am educated in those ways and I won't be like those mindless sheep you see on the news "we don't know what to do, we are waiting for someone to tell us what to do!!!" when major catastrophe occurs.
Wake up from the beer, titties, and football and smell the real world.
Amused
Elite Member
- Apr 14, 2001
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To those who would take the 2nd Amendment to an illogical extreme:
In Colonial times "arms" meant weapons that could be carried. This included knives, swords, rifles and pistols. Dictionaries of the time had a separate definition for "ordinance" (as it was spelled then) meaning cannon. Any hand held, non-ordnance type weapons, are theoretically constitutionally protected. Obviously nuclear weapons, tanks, rockets, fighter planes, and submarines are not.
In Colonial times "arms" meant weapons that could be carried. This included knives, swords, rifles and pistols. Dictionaries of the time had a separate definition for "ordinance" (as it was spelled then) meaning cannon. Any hand held, non-ordnance type weapons, are theoretically constitutionally protected. Obviously nuclear weapons, tanks, rockets, fighter planes, and submarines are not.
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