So, to the anti-gun crowd...

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Now that you've seen what happens when society breaks down (NOLA) do you still want to keep disarming law abiding citizens? IE more gun control?

So lets see, hundreds are dead through a natural disaster. People go crazy in the midst of it. And all the low life scumbag gun owner can think of is I am glad I got my gun. Amazing, even in the midst of something as horrible as this, the 1 above plant life intelligence comes to life. It would be funny, if it wasn't so pathetic.

No, douchebag...I am talking about the looting, raping and pilaging going on after the storm. I've been in this situation before during the L.A. riots of the early 90s. The similarities are striking. Now go crawl back into your hole in dumbfvckistan and keep dreaming of a utopian society where guns aren't needed. Fvcktard...:disgust:

Your are lower than the dirt I walk on. Many of these people lost everything. I mean everything. Does that justify all of their actions, no. But one thing is for sure for a f'in moron like you to use what has happened there as way to say, see this is why we need guns is sad. Your punk @ss needs to be thrown under a damn bus. Many are looting for food, so what would you do shoot some mother who's trying to get water and even medical stuff her children. You damn clown.

You clearly don't know anything about me. Read my posts in this thread before you make yourself look like a complete fvcking a55hole. :|

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Amused

I had a feeling you would read that wrong because, well, you're you. :roll:

Yes, most crimes are committed within one's race. But because of the great racial divides in our country, many minority races are impoverished, and segregated from much of the rest of society. This leads to ghettos, and isolation, which leads to crime.

No, Classy, contrary to your delusions I do NOT want racial separation. In fact, I want total integration. This is why I bemoan the self destructive and separatist culture some minority communities have embraced. It does nothing to help them, and everything to hurt them.

Please, remove the race chip from your shoulder for just one debate, can you?

Don't forget the Downy. It keeps those bed sheets soft.....and if you wrap your self in those sheets you won't get static cling. 🙂
SO now you back track. Its amazing, millions got ripped off through World Com. More lives were ruined in one day just through that that all the lives put together from every ghetto on the planet. And those folks weren't minorities. Tim McVeigh wasn't a minority and he killed almost 200 people. Ghettos huh? Almost all the hideous rapes and murders of our children across this country have not been committed by minorities. Sure you have high crime in ghettos among poor people. But you stated it was multi-cultural. Well guess what many of your friendly neighborhood ghettos are loaded with whites as well. So now make up your mind, do you blame it on multi-cultural, or is it just poor people? You know what though, I laugh soemtimes when I read your posts. But in all honesty I think you really believe the drivel you post, now thats scary.

Again, you fall back on the race card when your original argument falls completely apart.

Yes, the US has a cultural problem with violence. NO WHERE did I say it was all due to racial divisions. I merely listed as one issue among many. YOU inferred something I neither said nor implied. You, being the race baiter you are, glommed on to the race part of my post and completely ignored everything else I said, including how you were 100% owned on the gun debate.

Please, Classy. everyone sees right through your bullsh!t.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: classy
Your are lower than the dirt I walk on. Many of these people lost everything. I mean everything. Does that justify all of their actions, no. But one thing is for sure for a f'in moron like you to use what has happened there as way to say, see this is why we need guns is sad. Your punk @ss needs to be thrown under a damn bus. Many are looting for food, so what would you do shoot some mother who's trying to get water and even medical stuff her children. You damn clown.

Once again classy resorts to name calling.

As for the looting question, while I do not condone looting in any form I am MUCH more inclined to forgive those stealing food & medicine. When it truly is a matter of life and death (and it seems to be for many of these people) I would rather they steal food & medicine than die.

However, the morons walking out with TV's should be shot.

Viper GTS

Really?
Do you know that most of that stuff will be thrown in the trash? Did you know that? Here is a clue. No insurance company is going to go to any store and plug in each tv to see if it works. Not one. They will write that stuff off, pay the alotted damages covered by the policy and throw that stuff in the trash. There is nearly 3 feet of water and in some places its deeper than that. No electricity....and you see someone steal a tv so you'll shoot them? Dude you need therapy. If some of yall just stop and thought about some of the stuff you post, you wouldn't post it.
In a nutshell, in that situation and its seriously bad there, you would kill someone over a damn tv. Man you are one of my favorites here, much respect, but you have got to be kidding me.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Amused

Again, you fall back on the race card when your original argument falls completely apart.

Yes, the US has a cultural problem with violence. NO WHERE did I say it was all due to racial divisions. I merely listed as one issue among many. YOU inferred something I neither said nor implied. You, being the race baiter you are, glommed on to the race part of my post and completely ignored everything else I said, including how you were 100% owned on the gun debate.

Please, Classy. everyone sees right through your bullsh!t.

Race card 😕? Your the damn fool who believes we need guns because of cultural problems? Are you a fruit basket? A looney tune? Is there a light on upstairs?
Now its the US cultural problem. You wrote this

The US has a huge cultural problem with racial and class divisions

Not me you fruit cake.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: FreshFish
I guarantee that the situation in New Orleans would have been 100% worse if everyone had a gun. SO many more people would be dead right now.

Again, an ignorant assumption that is contrary to historical evidence.

Historically, the more armed people there is, the LESS violence that occurs. Violence occurs when only the thugs have guns. Violence is averted when the innocent have equal protection.

This is SO true.

I lived in an area where gun ownership was almost 100% and guess what, nobody tried to break into anybody elses house.

Gun laws only take away rights from law abiding citizens... criminals will always ignore the law and will have guns anyway. Some people think another law against guns is gonna make criminals hand in their weapons! :laugh:

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Amused

I had a feeling you would read that wrong because, well, you're you. :roll:

Yes, most crimes are committed within one's race. But because of the great racial divides in our country, many minority races are impoverished, and segregated from much of the rest of society. This leads to ghettos, and isolation, which leads to crime.

No, Classy, contrary to your delusions I do NOT want racial separation. In fact, I want total integration. This is why I bemoan the self destructive and separatist culture some minority communities have embraced. It does nothing to help them, and everything to hurt them.

Please, remove the race chip from your shoulder for just one debate, can you?

Don't forget the Downy. It keeps those bed sheets soft.....and if you wrap your self in those sheets you won't get static cling. 🙂
SO now you back track. Its amazing, millions got ripped off through World Com. More lives were ruined in one day just through that that all the lives put together from every ghetto on the planet. And those folks weren't minorities. Tim McVeigh wasn't a minority and he killed almost 200 people. Ghettos huh? Almost all the hideous rapes and murders of our children across this country have not been committed by minorities. Sure you have high crime in ghettos among poor people. But you stated it was multi-cultural. Well guess what many of your friendly neighborhood ghettos are loaded with whites as well. So now make up your mind, do you blame it on multi-cultural, or is it just poor people? You know what though, I laugh soemtimes when I read your posts. But in all honesty I think you really believe the drivel you post, now thats scary.

Again, you fall back on the race card when your original argument falls completely apart.

Yes, the US has a cultural problem with violence. NO WHERE did I say it was all due to racial divisions. I merely listed as one issue among many. YOU inferred something I neither said nor implied. You, being the race baiter you are, glommed on to the race part of my post and completely ignored everything else I said, including how you were 100% owned on the gun debate.

Please, Classy. everyone sees right through your bullsh!t.

I actually think some of the culture of violence does come from a division of the races. We have a large number of poor in this country and the division between the haves and have nots has gotten worse in the past 6 or so years. People will only take so much before they start to react negatively, especially in times of crisis. Still, this really has nothing to do with the topic of gun control.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: classy
Really?
Do you know that most of that stuff will be thrown in the trash? Did you know that? Here is a clue. No insurance company is going to go to any store and plug in each tv to see if it works. Not one. They will write that stuff, pay the alotted damges covered by the policy and throw that stuff in the trash. There is nearly 3 feet of water and in some places its deeper than that. No electricity....and you see someone steal a tv so you'll shoot them? Dude you need therapy. If some of yall just stop and thought about some of the stuff you post, you wouldn't post it.
In a nutshell, in that situation and its seriously bad there, you would kill someone over a damn tv. Man you are one of my favorites here, much respect, but you have got to be kidding me.

No I would shoot them for preying on society at its weakest moment. I don't care about the TV.

The issue here is not the goods themselves, the cost of the goods, etc.

The issue is maintaining a functional, law abiding population in the face of disaster.

Frankly some of the stuff we've seen come out of NO has been people at their worst. A little bleach in the gene pool might do the whole place some good.

Viper GTS

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Amused

Again, you fall back on the race card when your original argument falls completely apart.

Yes, the US has a cultural problem with violence. NO WHERE did I say it was all due to racial divisions. I merely listed as one issue among many. YOU inferred something I neither said nor implied. You, being the race baiter you are, glommed on to the race part of my post and completely ignored everything else I said, including how you were 100% owned on the gun debate.

Please, Classy. everyone sees right through your bullsh!t.

Race card 😕? Your the damn fool who believes we need guns because of cultural problems? Are you a fruit basket? A looney tune? Is there a light on upstairs?
Now its the US cultural problem. You wrote this

The US has a huge cultural problem with racial and class divisions

Not me you fruit cake.

Classy, note that race is not the only cause listed?

I believe US citizens have a right to own firearms. No where did I say we "need guns because of cultural problems." I said our higher murder rate was cultural, not because of inanimate objects.

You REALLY need help with basic reading comprehension.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: FreshFish
I guarantee that the situation in New Orleans would have been 100% worse if everyone had a gun. SO many more people would be dead right now.

Again, an ignorant assumption that is contrary to historical evidence.

Historically, the more armed people there is, the LESS violence that occurs. Violence occurs when only the thugs have guns. Violence is averted when the innocent have equal protection.

This is SO true.

I lived in an area where gun ownership was almost 100% and guess what, nobody tried to break into anybody elses house.

Gun laws only take away rights from law abiding citizens... criminals will always ignore the law and will have guns anyway. Some people think another law against guns is gonna make criminals hand in their weapons! :laugh:

This is the worst arguement period. Why? Because most guns owned will be used more likely to injure another family member. Most weapons bought for protection will almost always be used in some way to hurt someone close and not a criminal. You can't even debate the stats on that.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Future Shock

Originally posted by: CadetLee

Originally posted by: Future Shock

Originally posted by: Ulfwald

Ok, here is a challenge for all you gun grabbing liberals out there.

Go home tonight, and make a nice big sign to go in your front yard, window, etc. That sign should read:

THIS HOUSE/HOME IS HAPPILY GUN FREE. WE OWN NO WEAPONS OF ANY KIND. WE DEPEND ON THE GOVERNMENT FOR OUR PROTECTION OF LIFE AND PROPERTY.

How many of you gun grabbers would do this?

Every resident of NYC has such a sign implied - every since they put stiff sentances on gun ownership. But then, NYC also has 45,000 police for 6 million residents.

OTOH - NYC is THE safest big city in the US...you can stumble drunkenly through the Bowerie, Times Square, Upper West/East sides - bascally any place but Harlem, and your chances of getting mugged are miniscule. (I know, I've done it for years).

Too bad you live in such a poor place that you can't afford to hire enough police and you are reliant upon your own weak protections...your gun ain't the equal of 4 officers with Glocks and a shotgun in body armor, with radios. I know which I would rather have around...

FS

I'll take a gun right next to me when I need one over a dozen cops en route - thanks for playing.

You have, as usual I suspect, entirely missed the point - when you live in a city that can actually afford proper police staffing levels, you don't ever need one...the criminals rarely show up, or are already in jail. And that safety applies to granny walking the street as much as someone who can tote a gun...

And I don't play, I win.

FS

It sounds like you think that only the people who are well-off enough to live in an area that can afford 100% police coverage deserve to be protected. Did you ever check to see what the typical police coverage of rural areas is? In Alachua County (Florida), one deputy may have miles upon miles of ground to cover - and in cities, police cannot be everywhere at once.

You're living in a dream world..
/neo

I must have made a point, since you're resorting to insults. 😉

For the record, I grew up in a town with about four police officers and a population of ~3000. Guns weren't uncommon, and there was a gun store downtown. Violent crime? Non-existant.

 

[MooseKnuckle]

Originally posted by: Future Shock

Every resident of NYC has such a sign implied - every since they put stiff sentances on gun ownership. But then, NYC also has 45,000 police for 6 million residents.

OTOH - NYC is THE safest big city in the US...you can stumble drunkenly through the Bowerie, Times Square, Upper West/East sides - bascally any place but Harlem, and your chances of getting mugged are miniscule. (I know, I've done it for years).

Too bad you live in such a poor place that you can't afford to hire enough police and you are reliant upon your own weak protections...your gun ain't the equal of 4 officers with Glocks and a shotgun in body armor, with radios. I know which I would rather have around...

You have, as usual I suspect, entirely missed the point - when you live in a city that can actually afford proper police staffing levels, you don't ever need one...the criminals rarely show up, or are already in jail. And that safety applies to granny walking the street as much as someone who can tote a gun...

And I don't play, I win.

FS

Go play, but if you rely on the "NYPD 12-14lb. trigger" to save your life; there is a good chance you'll LOSE. The anti-gun liberal NYC politicians are more concerned about lawsuits than protecting their officers and the civilians they're suppose to "Protect and Serve".

I rely on a "NY trigger" everyday to defend my life, only mine is made in Yonkers, NY. The quote below might change your mind and hopefully thinking a little more clearer...

"The police establishment is now properly devoted to the Glock, and this seems to be a good choice. The Glock is a difficult piece to shoot well, and its safety problem has been solved by issuing it with a trigger that only a gorilla would love, but it has been generally admitted that the police today cannot be trained to shoot well - not so much because of time and ammunition expenditures, but because of motivation. A man will do well only at things he enjoys doing, and today's police departments are reluctant to hire a recruit who enjoys shooting. Thus the Glock's "shootability" is irrelevant. The piece is relatively cheap, it is usually reliable, and the company's service policies are outstanding."
- Jeff Cooper-

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: FreshFish
I guarantee that the situation in New Orleans would have been 100% worse if everyone had a gun. SO many more people would be dead right now.

Again, an ignorant assumption that is contrary to historical evidence.

Historically, the more armed people there is, the LESS violence that occurs. Violence occurs when only the thugs have guns. Violence is averted when the innocent have equal protection.

This is SO true.

I lived in an area where gun ownership was almost 100% and guess what, nobody tried to break into anybody elses house.

Gun laws only take away rights from law abiding citizens... criminals will always ignore the law and will have guns anyway. Some people think another law against guns is gonna make criminals hand in their weapons! :laugh:

This is the worst arguement period. Why? Because most guns owned will be used more likely to injure another family member. Most weapons bought for protection will almost always be used in some way to hurt someone close and not a criminal. You can't even debate the stats on that.

I agree with Amused. You are anything but your name.

Stats mean nothing when you are being bullied. A gun is a great equalizer. I will give up my guns the day they pry them from my cold dead fingers and until that day I will not suffer abuse from any thug criminal that stole a gun.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: FreshFish
I guarantee that the situation in New Orleans would have been 100% worse if everyone had a gun. SO many more people would be dead right now.

Again, an ignorant assumption that is contrary to historical evidence.

Historically, the more armed people there is, the LESS violence that occurs. Violence occurs when only the thugs have guns. Violence is averted when the innocent have equal protection.

This is SO true.

I lived in an area where gun ownership was almost 100% and guess what, nobody tried to break into anybody elses house.

Gun laws only take away rights from law abiding citizens... criminals will always ignore the law and will have guns anyway. Some people think another law against guns is gonna make criminals hand in their weapons! :laugh:

This is the worst arguement period. Why? Because most guns owned will be used more likely to injure another family member. Most weapons bought for protection will almost always be used in some way to hurt someone close and not a criminal. You can't even debate the stats on that.

My family has owned guns for almost as long as I can remember, and for longer than some of my younger siblings' lifetimes. Have /we/ had an accident? Negative.

And yes - I can debate the stats on that, but I believe it has already been mentioned in this thread..

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: FreshFish
I guarantee that the situation in New Orleans would have been 100% worse if everyone had a gun. SO many more people would be dead right now.

Again, an ignorant assumption that is contrary to historical evidence.

Historically, the more armed people there is, the LESS violence that occurs. Violence occurs when only the thugs have guns. Violence is averted when the innocent have equal protection.

This is SO true.

I lived in an area where gun ownership was almost 100% and guess what, nobody tried to break into anybody elses house.

Gun laws only take away rights from law abiding citizens... criminals will always ignore the law and will have guns anyway. Some people think another law against guns is gonna make criminals hand in their weapons! :laugh:

This is the worst arguement period. Why? Because most guns owned will be used more likely to injure another family member. Most weapons bought for protection will almost always be used in some way to hurt someone close and not a criminal. You can't even debate the stats on that.

Um, yes, I can debate that. In fact, those stats have been found to be complete fraud.

Again, had you read the thread, you would have seen this myth completely busted.

Um, no. the claim that "an equal number of gun owners who defend themselves when threatened as there are gun owners who accidentally shoot themselves or another while cleaning it or have their kid find it & kill him/herself or a friend." IS a bullsh!t myth.

It's just not true. The US justice dept estimates 3 MILLION defensive gun uses each year (note a gun need not be fired to be used defensively).

There are not 3 million accidental and domestic violence murders by guns each year. Not even close. Not even close by a LONG SHOT.

This whole myth was started by Arthur Kellermann, a one man misinformation factory, and bleated by the press over and over. It's complete bullsh!t, since of the "43 times more likely" number he came up with, 37 are suicides. SUICIDES.

An excellent article explaining this myth, just how pervasive it is, and just how blatantly wrong it is:

http://www.nationalreview.com/kopel/kopel013101.shtml

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: Kalbi
Jesse Jackson needs to drop dead.

 

[classy]

I'll be truthful and serious for a moment, which is rare when I am dealing with folks here. With all clowning and bs aside, if any of you look at this situation as some kind of case to be used in the Gun rights issue is just sad. There are some things in life that transcend our petty differences and beliefs. I don't condone any of the wrong doing, but I am not so self righteous where I don't understand. I have enough common sense to realize that shooting people based on some bleeping belief I may have is just dumb. I have not lost everything overnight like many of these people have and I certainly am not going to sit in total judgement. The images of destruction that I have looked at is just beyond belief. I am strong person and truly a law abiding individual and I'll be honest I have no idea how I would react if I was there. And you know you know what, neither do any of you. Its cool to pick your spots and use your examples to get a point across, but to gather anything else from this besides the fact that its truly a devasting tragedy is a joke. I believe mercy sometimes is better than judgement.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: classy
I'll be truthful and serious for a moment, which is rare when I am dealing with folks here. With all clowning and bs aside, if any of you look at this situation as some kind of case to be used in the Gun rights issue is just sad. There are some things in life that transcend our petty differences and beliefs. I don't condone any of the wrong doing, but I am not so self righteous where I don't understand. I have enough common sense to realize that shooting people based on some bleeping belief I may have is just dumb. I have not lost everything overnight like many of these people have and I certainly am not going to sit in total judgement. The images of destruction that I have looked at is just beyond belief. I am strong person and truly a law abiding individual and I'll be honest I have no idea how I would react if I was there. And you know you know what, neither do any of you. Its cool to pick your spots and use your examples to get a point across, but to gather anything else from this besides the fact that its truly a devasting tragedy is a joke. I believe mercy sometimes is better than judgement.

Mercy is a fine concept, but you try and tell that to the crack-smoking gangbanger running around New Orleans thinking he is the next "Tony Montana".

I would rather have my gun and not have to use it than ever have to deal with a lowlife but this is the whole idea behind insurance and I don't see anybody saying we should do away with insurance.

:beer:

 

[0roo0roo]

well the nra that protects bullsh*t like gunshows where guns are sold willy nilly with no checks are as stupid as gun grabbers. damn extremists.

 

[whistleclient]

Originally posted by: Nik
There's a term for anti-gun zealots. They're called sheeple. 😀

both anti and pro gun zealots can be sheeple.

 

[Mardeth]

The thing is, I wouldnt live in a country where you need a gun to feel safe. I dont call living in fear freedom...

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: my sons father
Gee, if it wasn't for guns, the rescue teams wouldn't have to crouch in fear as they try to save people down there! I'm all for gun control....when guns are outlawed, only the outlaws will have guns, AND THEY WILL GO TO JAIL! (eventually, if the L.A. police don't shoot them on sight!)

Just like the drug dealers? :roll:

Originally posted by: Mardeth
The thing is, I wouldnt live in a country where you need a gun to feel safe. I dont call living in fear freedom...

There is no safety this side of the grave. If you do not stand up and protect yourself then you will have to depend on someone else to do it for you. That is real world. It's not living in fear. Quite the contrary, it is refusing to live in cowardice, and it is from that emotional point that freedom begins.
Two of the countries with the lowest crime rates in the world, Switzerland and Sweden, dispel all the anti-gun myths. Gun ownership is encouraged to the point that it is basically required. And they have almost no crime.
Once upon a time, not quite so long ago (just a few hundred years ago), and for thousands opf years before then, our world was ran almost entirely by warring tyranical thugs that we would call dictators today. Nearly every person on earth was literally owned by and enslaved to one of these bullies and their hired thugs (typically paid in gifts of land and serfs -- our culture still had the remains of this today in property for example, real estate means "king's land" and outright ownership of land is called is called fee simple, which means a granted estate from the king Text ). This, we were told, was the price of the king's protection. Our lives, land, and property. Of which he used as he would, typically in battle against some other dictator.
Then, some smart chap invented the gun, which levelled the playing field and enabled the common people to throw off this yolk of oppression.
And now some people want to go back... and once again pay the price we must pay if we refuse to protect ourselves and have someone else do it for us.

"An armed citizenry, willing to fight, is the foundation of civil freedom." -- Robert Heinlein

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
well the nra that protects bullsh*t like gunshows where guns are sold willy nilly with no checks are as stupid as gun grabbers. damn extremists.

The "gun show loophole" is a myth. First of all, the laws at gun shows are exactly the same as they are everywhere else. If a person is ?engaged in the business? (as the law puts it) of selling firearms, then he must fill out a government registration form on every buyer, and get FBI permission (through the National Instant Check System) for every sale?regardless of whether the sale takes place at his gun store, at an office in his home, or at a gun show.

Those who are not gun dealers by profession, but happen to be selling a gun, are not required to follow this procedure. This is true whether they trade at a gun show, or through the classified ads in the local paper. Sales by private, non- dealer licensed individuals being exempt from background checks is NOT exclusive to gun shows. In fact, gun shows are where only a tiny minority of these individual to individual gun sales are made.

To imply that gun dealers can go to an event called a ?gun show? and thus avoid the law is absolutely false. Also false is the charge about Tupperware parties for criminals. According to a National Institute of Justice study released in December 1997, only 2 percent of guns used in crimes come from gun shows.

Extremist? Hardly. It's called protecting an individual right. What "closing" the mythical "gun show loop hole" would accomplish is at the least, banning private sales at gun show (pointless), at the worst, banning private sales altogether (and I thought liberals hated big business?).

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Mardeth
The thing is, I wouldnt live in a country where you need a gun to feel safe. I dont call living in fear freedom...

You can be safe, or you can be free. Freedom has risks. Safety has oppression.

You are never free if you depend on an outside entity to care for you. Freedom means taking care of yourself.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: classy
I'll be truthful and serious for a moment, which is rare when I am dealing with folks here. With all clowning and bs aside, if any of you look at this situation as some kind of case to be used in the Gun rights issue is just sad. There are some things in life that transcend our petty differences and beliefs. I don't condone any of the wrong doing, but I am not so self righteous where I don't understand. I have enough common sense to realize that shooting people based on some bleeping belief I may have is just dumb. I have not lost everything overnight like many of these people have and I certainly am not going to sit in total judgement. The images of destruction that I have looked at is just beyond belief. I am strong person and truly a law abiding individual and I'll be honest I have no idea how I would react if I was there. And you know you know what, neither do any of you. Its cool to pick your spots and use your examples to get a point across, but to gather anything else from this besides the fact that its truly a devasting tragedy is a joke. I believe mercy sometimes is better than judgement.

Um, you would be wrong yet again. I've been through areas that were being looted during the riots in Los Angeles in the early 90s. I've written about it in numerous posts but to date nobody seems to have any response to that.

I didn't have to shoot anyone (thankfully) but I sure would have if someone tried to drag me or my wife out of our car. I don't own guns because I live in fear. I own guns because I enjoy shooting. I am not naive enough to think that the government can and always will be there to protect me though. That is ultimately the main reason I own guns, and the best reason.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
well the nra that protects bullsh*t like gunshows where guns are sold willy nilly with no checks are as stupid as gun grabbers. damn extremists.

Where did you hear that line of bullsh!t? Gunshow gun sales are subject to the same rules, regulations and background checks as a gun bought at any gunstore.

Edit-I've been to gunshows numerous times. I know this for a FACT!!!