So THIS is why I hate Notre Dame... thanks for reminding me...

[Stuxnet]

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Two losses against BCS-bound opponents by 26 (Michigan) and 20 points (USC), yet Notre Dame is a lock to earn a spot in one of the game's most lucrative bowls. Yeah, that seems right, doesn't it? Of the top 12 teams in the latest BCS rankings, it's the Irish who are the least deserving of a bid (Say what you want about Boise State, but the Broncos beat everyone on their schedule, including Oregon State). Look at the way Notre Dame performed in the losses to the Wolverines and Trojans and tell me it's still one of the best teams in the country. Its only quality wins came against Georgia Tech and Penn State, while the Irish had to comeback and beat subpar Michigan State and UCLA (who was without its starting QB). But come Jan. 3 the Irish (who are 10th in the latest BCS standings) will likely be in the Sugar Bowl against the SEC champ while teams like Wisconsin (7th) and Auburn (11th) will be shut out of the showcase bowl games. It's as much an indictment of a system that won't allow three teams from the same conference to get BCS berths, a system that ought to be retooled to give the best 12 teams a shot, period, not the best teams that meet certain qualifiers. This year it means that the Badgers and Tigers are automatically left out while Ohio State and Michigan take the Big Ten bids, while the SEC champion (Arkansas or Florida) and likely LSU take the SEC's invitations. It also means the Irish will be able to reap the benefits of being one of the best teams in the country because of a 10-2 mark and a system that allows them to play in a top-teir bowl game, even if with two blowout losses against the two toughest teams they've faced have proven that they just don't belong.

 

[dullard]

I've made those same comments myself. No team, not even Notre Dame should be given rules specifically for that team alone, and which do not apply to any other team.

BCS rule #4.

I submit that we drop rule #4, skip over the good but not great Notre Dame team for all bowls, and let them stay out of all bowl games as punishment until they decide to join a conference like almost all of the rest of the schools.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Just another case of the ND bias. Standings, polls, the media's slant on ND. It's all disgusting.

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

I don't care much for the rule either, but most people that bitch about Notre Dame would still complain if they were to win their conference with the same quality of schedule and record.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
I don't care much for the rule either, but most people that bitch about Notre Dame would still complain if they were to win their conference with the same quality of schedule and record.

We'll cross that bridge if we ever, ever, get there....

 

[SP33Demon]

Wisconsin should definitely be in before ND. They are a bunch of underachieving cry babies, and losing is their new motto as a result.

 

[Juno]

ND = wussies.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
I don't care much for the rule either, but most people that bitch about Notre Dame would still complain if they were to win their conference with the same quality of schedule and record.

That would require ND to join a conference.

 

[amish]

ok, what conference would they join???

there is no way that they would join the Big 10 as there are too many good teams there already. *throws flamebait* the big ea(sy)st?

 

[Baked]

It's all about the ratings. And ratings means big money.

 

[Syrch]

GO UM!

 

[Spineshank]

Big Ten has been trying to get them for years. Maybe this way they could split the conference into divisions and have a big ten title game.

 

[Poulsonator]

Wisconsin doesn't deserve a BCS bowl either. Look at their cream puff out of conference schedule. What, the service academies were already full?

The ND rules are a joke, but ND is college football. They've been skating by on their storied past for a long, long time. Maybe one of these days someone in power will wake up and realize that ND hasn't been good in a long time.

 

[BrokenVisage]

What a joke.. ok OP, so you hate Norte Dame because of a rule they didn't make, that makes a lot of sense. Lets see what you would do as the director of athletics at Notre Dame. Lets see you turn your back on a multi-billion dollar TV contract with NBC that gets almost all your games nationally televised. Lets see you go back on the history of the school, a history you know they will always hold on to, just to appease the petty little haters like yourself who want them to be in a conference. Lets see you throw away most of their multi-conference rivalries that have been going on for years now just to play teams just as good as the ones they already play anyway, sprinkled in with teams that are equally as bad as the ones they play as well.

This is ridiculous, Notre Dame doesn't have to join anywhere if they don't want to. The BCS should be your main gripe, but of course you interject that hatred to ND like everyone else. Do I agree with the rule? No, not really, but as long as ND plays by the rules they can do whatever the hell they want to make money, get recruits, and look nice enough for someone to want them in their BCS bowl game.

 

[dullard]

There are many other reasons to hate ND too. Just because people don't post them all, doesn't mean they don't exist.

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
What a joke.. ok OP, so you hate Norte Dame because of a rule they didn't make, that makes a lot of sense. Lets see what you would do as the director of athletics at Notre Dame. Lets see you turn your back on a multi-billion dollar TV contract with NBC that gets almost all your games nationally televised.

That deal should be ended too.

Lets see you go back on the history of the school, a history you know they will always hold on to,

History is crap. We are talking teams TODAY.

This is ridiculous, Notre Dame doesn't have to join anywhere if they don't want to.

And the BCS shouldn't have to try to appease them. ND should get no bowls if they want no conferences.

I have BCS grips too. Don't think they are limited to ND.

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
I don't care much for the rule either, but most people that bitch about Notre Dame would still complain if they were to win their conference with the same quality of schedule and record.

No one would complain if they won their conf and it had a BCS tie-in. ND will never join one for fball because it would be a HUGE cut in their bowl payout. Conferences usually pool all the bowl money together and distribute it between member schools (at least the SEC does) but ND keeps every penny.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Lets see you throw away most of their multi-conference rivalries that have been going on for years now just to play teams just as good as the ones they already play anyway, sprinkled in with teams that are equally as bad as the ones they play as well.

Their great rivalries....like the grand tour of the service academies? Notre Dame has beaten Navy 41+ straight times, right? That's no longer a rivalry...that's a gimme. Take this year for example, ND played two good teams (USC & Michigan) and got decimated in both of them. I can see why they won't join a conference...they'd be exposed early & often in a conference instead of waiting to get bombed in a bowl game.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: dullard
There are many other reasons to hate ND too. Just because people don't post them all, doesn't mean they don't exist.

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
What a joke.. ok OP, so you hate Norte Dame because of a rule they didn't make, that makes a lot of sense. Lets see what you would do as the director of athletics at Notre Dame. Lets see you turn your back on a multi-billion dollar TV contract with NBC that gets almost all your games nationally televised.

That deal should be ended too.

Lets see you go back on the history of the school, a history you know they will always hold on to,

History is crap. We are talking teams TODAY.

This is ridiculous, Notre Dame doesn't have to join anywhere if they don't want to.

And the BCS shouldn't have to try to appease them. ND should get no bowls if they want no conferences.

I have BCS grips too. Don't think they are limited to ND.

I'm not saying college football isn't riddled with shifty deals and dirty stipulations either, but some things have been going on for so long that the universities and the rule makers just don't want to do anything to fix it and instead work around it.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: amish
ok, what conference would they join???

there is no way that they would join the Big 10 as there are too many good teams there already. *throws flamebait* the big ea(sy)st?

They are too scared to join the Big East because there wouldn't be any guarantee they would win every year. They were offered a spot when VT and Miami were there and they declined. S is for s-c-a-r-e-d.

 

[jlbenedict]

Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life
Big Ten has been trying to get them for years. Maybe this way they could split the conference into divisions and have a big ten title game.

I posted something similiar to this in conference alignments and what the Big Ten should do:

Originally posted by: jlbenedict
The NCAA needs to do another realignment of the conferences. Move a few teams around, and create conferences where there are two divisions for each conference.

For instance, add another team to the Big Ten, and divide it up. Throw Michigan in the Big Ten "North" Division and Ohio St. in the Big Ten "South" division. The schedule involves playing each team in your division once, and three teams from the other division (alternating schools every two years). That would be 8 division games. Schedule two non-conference games; you then have 10 games, and then each division winner goes to the Big Ten Championship game.
This could help eliminate all the "but we're 11-1 also" garbage. Win your conference championship, then you can talk BCS championship.

If all the conferences were like this, this would be as close to a playoff as you can get; without technically implementing the playoff system.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
What a joke.. ok OP, so you hate Norte Dame because of a rule they didn't make, that makes a lot of sense. Lets see what you would do as the director of athletics at Notre Dame. Lets see you turn your back on a multi-billion dollar TV contract with NBC that gets almost all your games nationally televised. Lets see you go back on the history of the school, a history you know they will always hold on to, just to appease the petty little haters like yourself who want them to be in a conference. Lets see you throw away most of their multi-conference rivalries that have been going on for years now just to play teams just as good as the ones they already play anyway, sprinkled in with teams that are equally as bad as the ones they play as well.

This is ridiculous, Notre Dame doesn't have to join anywhere if they don't want to. The BCS should be your main gripe, but of course you interject that hatred to ND like everyone else. Do I agree with the rule? No, not really, but as long as ND plays by the rules they can do whatever the hell they want to make money, get recruits, and look nice enough for someone to want their sucker fans to spend all their money watching their overrated team lose again in their BCS bowl game.

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Yeah I agree, I wouldn't want to lose all that $$ either. But eventually the contract will end, and they'll have to deal with being the biggest laughingstock in America even after getting great recruits year in and year out.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: amish
ok, what conference would they join???

there is no way that they would join the Big 10 as there are too many good teams there already. *throws flamebait* the big ea(sy)st?

They are too scared to join the Big East because there wouldn't be any guarantee they would win every year. They were offered a spot when VT and Miami were there and they declined. S is for s-c-a-r-e-d.

They declined because they would be losing tons of money. To Universities football isnt about the game its about the money it generates.

ND has gotten were it has with good negotiations. Much akin to USC never playing at ND in November.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
What a joke.. ok OP, so you hate Norte Dame because of a rule they didn't make, that makes a lot of sense. Lets see what you would do as the director of athletics at Notre Dame. Lets see you turn your back on a multi-billion dollar TV contract with NBC that gets almost all your games nationally televised. Lets see you go back on the history of the school, a history you know they will always hold on to, just to appease the petty little haters like yourself who want them to be in a conference. Lets see you throw away most of their multi-conference rivalries that have been going on for years now just to play teams just as good as the ones they already play anyway, sprinkled in with teams that are equally as bad as the ones they play as well.

This is ridiculous, Notre Dame doesn't have to join anywhere if they don't want to. The BCS should be your main gripe, but of course you interject that hatred to ND like everyone else. Do I agree with the rule? No, not really, but as long as ND plays by the rules they can do whatever the hell they want to make money, get recruits, and look nice enough for someone to want their sucker fans to spend all their money watching their overrated team lose again in their BCS bowl game.

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Yeah I agree, I wouldn't want to lose all that $$ either. But eventually the contract will end, and they'll have to deal with being the biggest laughingstock in America even after getting great recruits year in and year out.

It wasnt to long ago that both Texas and USC were sucking it up/laughing stocks, much worse than what ND has been doing. Programs have peaks and valleys.

Another example, just look at FSU and Miami.

However, they should change the rule away from ND, and just put in any Independent thats ranked in the top 8 gets an automatic bid. If Rutgers can pull a micracle out if its ass, you never know what the military schools might do.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: jlbenedict

Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life
Big Ten has been trying to get them for years. Maybe this way they could split the conference into divisions and have a big ten title game.

I posted something similiar to this in conference alignments and what the Big Ten should do:

Originally posted by: jlbenedict
The NCAA needs to do another realignment of the conferences. Move a few teams around, and create conferences where there are two divisions for each conference.

For instance, add another team to the Big Ten, and divide it up. Throw Michigan in the Big Ten "North" Division and Ohio St. in the Big Ten "South" division. The schedule involves playing each team in your division once, and three teams from the other division (alternating schools every two years). That would be 8 division games. Schedule two non-conference games; you then have 10 games, and then each division winner goes to the Big Ten Championship game.
This could help eliminate all the "but we're 11-1 also" garbage. Win your conference championship, then you can talk BCS championship.

If all the conferences were like this, this would be as close to a playoff as you can get; without technically implementing the playoff system.

:thumbsup:

I'd do something like a big 10 east, big 10 west though.

East would be:
Indiana
Purdue
Penn State
OSU
Michigan
Michigan State

West would be:
IL
IA
MN
WI
NW
Possibly ND for parity

The people complaining about having OSU and MI in the same division can just look to TX and OK sharing the same one in B12-South. It does seem like a great solution to a broken system and adds some fairness. B10 is one of the only ones that doesn't do a conference title game.

 

[DougK62]

ND brings in big bucks. Period. They also consistently have difficult schedules. You whiners need to realize that ND didn't make the BCS system and stop crying.

That said, IMO ND was a MUCH better team last year and they do not deserve a big bowl this year.