daniel1113
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Well, since you had problems with a Japanese engineered car, all the other statistics available must be wrong. I'm sure glad I saw your post. Whew.
Looks like I'm in the minority as well, along with my friend too. We've had much better success with domestic cars than imports. I say any truck that can go over 350K miles with the original engine, tranny and clutch is a great truck, and my father has had two Ford Rangers do that.
daniel1113
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jamesbond007
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I'm no car expert by any means, but you know that a lot of engines these days 'tune themselves' to the driver's techniques. So, since that car you got was a loaner, perhaps the people who first drove it drove it very lightly...kinda like a grandma. Easy on the gas, easy on the get-go.
Maybe this is the reason it accelerates so slow? It seems you really like that car and this could be a possibility to your explaination.
My car is a 4 cylinder 2003 Neon SXT and I *RARELY* get over 3K RPM ever in city traffic. I'm really easy on the car, too, but I don't have any problems accelerating with it. Is the TL-S a mid-size car or a compact? 4K+ RPM to get going seems like there's a serious engine issue or the reason I said above.
Maybe this is the reason it accelerates so slow? It seems you really like that car and this could be a possibility to your explaination.
My car is a 4 cylinder 2003 Neon SXT and I *RARELY* get over 3K RPM ever in city traffic. I'm really easy on the car, too, but I don't have any problems accelerating with it. Is the TL-S a mid-size car or a compact? 4K+ RPM to get going seems like there's a serious engine issue or the reason I said above.
Guess JD Power must be wrong too, since GM and Toyota tied (at the top) for quality ratings this year.
I've had the opposite experience. My dad said he was never going to buy a Japanese car in the 80's... well he bought a Dodge/Cadillac/Ford & had nothing but problems. He went against his word & got a Toyota Camry in the mid 90's (and 3 more japanese cars from Honda/Toyota/Nissan since then) & now he won't buy anything except Japanese because none of them had any issues & frankly were better cars.
daniel1113
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First, JD Power is hardly a good measure alone. Second, since when did GM and Toyota embody all American and Japanese automobile manufacturers? You need to take into account multiple sources that track all auto manufacturers over a course of 10 or so years.
Here's something by Consumer Reports in 2004: http://money.cnn.com/2004/11/08/pf/autos/cr_auto_reliability/
NFS4
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Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: Bucks
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: MommysLittleMonster
There is no TL-S.
There was a TL-S in the previous-generation TL. The new TL is effectively a TL-S in terms of power.
Indeed. I have an '04 TL and I am pretty impressed with the torque and power. It is one of the best cars we have owned.
The TL is just lacking when compared to a Volvo S60 T5, a BMW 330i, a Saab 9-5, etc. I mean, it's fast enough (and an absolute rocket compared to the TSX) but it doesn't feel as good as the rest.
Funny how the TL whooped both the S60 R (not even the lesser T5 model, but the top dog in the S60 range) and the 9-5 in the latest C&D comparo. It came in 4th behind the 1st place 330i, IS350 and the G35. The 9-5 came in LAST place:
http://www.njub.com/auto/sedans/
OS
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Yeah that wouldn't surprise me. The car has knock sensors and it's been shown on current model hondas that the ECU will retard timing if it detects detonation, thus a loss in power. While the auto TSX is hardly a muscle car, it should atleast get around at a decent pace.
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: Bucks
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: MommysLittleMonster
There is no TL-S.
There was a TL-S in the previous-generation TL. The new TL is effectively a TL-S in terms of power.
Indeed. I have an '04 TL and I am pretty impressed with the torque and power. It is one of the best cars we have owned.
The TL is just lacking when compared to a Volvo S60 T5, a BMW 330i, a Saab 9-5, etc. I mean, it's fast enough (and an absolute rocket compared to the TSX) but it doesn't feel as good as the rest.
Funny how the TL whooped both the S60 R (not even the lesser T5 model, but the top dog in the S60 range) and the 9-5 in the latest C&D comparo. It came in 4th behind the 1st place 330i, IS350 and the G35. The 9-5 came in LAST place:
http://www.njub.com/auto/sedans/
I don't really like the exterior of the TL. I like the 330i (although I prefer the previous 3 series design), and the G35/IS350 are very sexy. But yeah the TL is a very good car but I still think G35 is the best buy for the money.
Automakers are dropping that study because it doesnt show the whole picture. As a matter of fact, i think Honda was the 1st to drop them this year.
Europeans are often at the bottom of the charts, when most of their issues are bleeding edge new features in the vehicle not working. As always there are exceptions, but theres a little difference between bleeding edge features breaking, and your engine falling apart at 35k miles. JD Powers studies do not show this.
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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: Bucks
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: MommysLittleMonster
There is no TL-S.
There was a TL-S in the previous-generation TL. The new TL is effectively a TL-S in terms of power.
Indeed. I have an '04 TL and I am pretty impressed with the torque and power. It is one of the best cars we have owned.
The TL is just lacking when compared to a Volvo S60 T5, a BMW 330i, a Saab 9-5, etc. I mean, it's fast enough (and an absolute rocket compared to the TSX) but it doesn't feel as good as the rest.
Funny how the TL whooped both the S60 R (not even the lesser T5 model, but the top dog in the S60 range) and the 9-5 in the latest C&D comparo. It came in 4th behind the 1st place 330i, IS350 and the G35. The 9-5 came in LAST place:
http://www.njub.com/auto/sedans/
That review was bogus. First off, C&D noted that the S60R was a full second slower to 60 than the last one they drove. Second, they took off a ton of points because the S60R was sent in fully loaded @ $47K. Third. Road and Track just reviewed the IS350, and best 0-60 was 6.0s. Fourth, I've driven every car in that review, except the IS350, and V6 turbo Saab, and that's just not the way things are, aside from the E90 being the winner.
The S60R is worlds faster than the TL in real life. Go take a look at the S60R boards and see what they're saying. Ruin the clutch in an S60R and it will obliterate a TL off the line, and pull even farther towards the finish line.
Oh, and if you live in the desert, don't buy a turbocharged car, duh.
HA! everyone knocks the acuras not being up to german quality until they sit in an acura.
if you want a v6 - go buy a TL; 'nobody' gives you all the features honda does with this car for under $30k ($29.5k otd). and i can baby it and get 27mpg 60/40 city/hi driving while gas is ~$3.75 in nyc.
if you want a v6 - go buy a TL; 'nobody' gives you all the features honda does with this car for under $30k ($29.5k otd). and i can baby it and get 27mpg 60/40 city/hi driving while gas is ~$3.75 in nyc.
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