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SZLiao214

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If you ever decide to send the boss a gift, be sure to try one of those 365 dilbert calenders with a new strip each day.
 

Descartes

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Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: CraigRT
My boss would have no idea what Firefox was... and who really cares? I wouldn't expect him to, to be honest.

Well, he was in my supervisor's office a few minutes ago espousing the virtues of NetMeeting, so it's not like he's completely detached from the software we're using.

He was probably espousing virtues such as: Decoupled social interaction, enhanced productivity, multitasking cabilities, collaborative possibilities, etc. He wouldn't say things like: It's lucid integration of XML allows us to apply XSLT to the configuration files allowing us to employ model-view-controller patterns. It's a completely different degree of interest; neither is superior to the other, but each has its purpose.

Btw, I made up the NetMeeting nonsense. I don't know how it's implemented.
 

vi edit

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Originally posted by: yukichigai
Originally posted by: PanzerIV
But is he afraid of it due to security reasons or because he's afraid of new technology?
I know ours is afraid of it for security reasons, but only because she doesn't understand the technology. If you restrict access only to certain MAC addresses and enable 128-bit encryption it's going to be damn near impossible to break in. Besides, it's not like we have loads of sensitive information here.

I'm "scared" of wireless myself. Sure I run it in my home and set it up in other home users, but I've reluctantly had to put it into a bunch of my retail locations. The director of ops for the organization wants to open it up for public use to attract customers.

Something about a 10mb unsecured cable connection sitting right across the street from a major university scares me.
 

K1052

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Originally posted by: Descartes
Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: CraigRT
My boss would have no idea what Firefox was... and who really cares? I wouldn't expect him to, to be honest.

Well, he was in my supervisor's office a few minutes ago espousing the virtues of NetMeeting, so it's not like he's completely detached from the software we're using.

He was probably espousing virtues such as: Decoupled social interaction, enhanced productivity, multitasking cabilities, collaborative possibilities, etc. He wouldn't say things like: It's lucid integration of XML allows us to apply XSLT to the configuration files allowing us to employ model-view-controller patterns. It's a completely different degree of interest; neither is superior to the other, but each has its purpose.

Btw, I made up the NetMeeting nonsense. I don't know how it's implemented.

Reading any BOFH lately?
 

Argo

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A while back I was in a meeting with VP of IT operations of a big financial company. The guy was pretty smart, however, he wasn't completely up to date on their infrastructure or some other details. He didn't have to be, he had his subordinate by his side, who knew everything about their systems.

Yet, I totally understood why this guy was a VP and the other guy wasn't. The guy was totally intimidating, seemed to right away know what questions to ask and what to say. In the end, he'd be the one to make his company successful and not somebody who maybe knows 10x more but doesn't know how to apply that knowledge.
 

Descartes

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Originally posted by: Argo
A while back I was in a meeting with VP of IT operations of a big financial company. The guy was pretty smart, however, he wasn't completely up to date on their infrastructure or some other details. He didn't have to be, he had his subordinate by his side, who knew everything about their systems.

Yet, I totally understood why this guy was a VP and the other guy wasn't. The guy was totally intimidating, seemed to right away know what questions to ask and what to say. In the end, he'd be the one to make his company successful and not somebody who maybe knows 10x more but doesn't know how to apply that knowledge.

My thoughts are that there is a dichotomy between these types of people: those who are holists, and those who are reductionists. Engineering types tend to be fervently reductionist, and as a result it's often hard for them to provide the distilled answer the holists require. I prefer an egalitarian view in that each person is of equal importance, but people just have different specialties. The VP you describe is probably very skilled in effectively using the people on his team, and without that holistic collaborative perception the otherwise reductionistic results of each little engineering person might not lead to fruition; the sum of the parts isn't always equal to a whole without someone who understands the whole.

IMO.
 

beatmix01

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Originally posted by: yukichigai
Originally posted by: PanzerIV
But is he afraid of it due to security reasons or because he's afraid of new technology?
I know ours is afraid of it for security reasons, but only because she doesn't understand the technology. If you restrict access only to certain MAC addresses and enable 128-bit encryption it's going to be damn near impossible to break in. Besides, it's not like we have loads of sensitive information here.

Well that depends, on what security your using WEP or WPA. It would prove to be much harder using WPA.

WEP can be hacked using readily available linux tools and spoofing your MAC isnt exactly hard to do.
 

Encryptic

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Originally posted by: psiu
She might not want to lose the Token Ring.

Funny, I misread this as "Tolkien Ring", which would make sense in that context.

"Myyyyy precioooooouuuussssss...."

;)
 

RaiderJ

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Originally posted by: psiu
She might not want to lose the Token Ring.

Dilbert immediately came to mind when I saw Token Ring....

A Dilbert cartoon on our IT department wall has Dilbert's boss constantly unplugging the server. He thinks a server is like a waitress, only noisier (hence the unplugging). :)
 

waggy

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one of the last places i worked i was 2nd in line in the IT department. well the head of IT got a promotion. The company was looking for someone well it came down to me and someone else. I didn't know who it was until one day i was called into a meeting.

In the meeting was the old IT boss. Well I was told his secretary (who it was rumored to be sleeping with etc. man was she hot!) was getting the job! WTF the women had NO IT experience though she did have a degree (NOT in CS or IT or anything related to computers). He asked me to stay on (with a big pay raise) and keep an eye on her and train her in the job.

One of the first things she did was cancel the nightly and weekly backups. She figured since we do a monthly one then that was good enough! I did my best to talk her out of it but she would not budge.

I went to her boss and the president and told them i was the situation. They backed her up so i quit.
Latter i heard that they had a failure and had to reinstall from backups. heh which were like 20 days old! oops! glad i was not there when the crap hit the fan! needless to say she was fired. They did call me back and ask if i wanted the job. i told them to kiss my ass ( i had a good job..to bad they went out of business and let me go).

kinda wish i took the job heh
 

Apathetic

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Originally posted by: toy4x4
The head of the IT department is usually a idiot. This is the same reason today, I have to do a NFS mount over the WAN on a productiopn system.

Dang - the performance on that mount must be wretched.

Dave
 

toy4x4

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Originally posted by: Ameesh
Originally posted by: toy4x4
The head of the IT department is usually a idiot. This is the same reason today, I have to do a NFS mount over the WAN on a productiopn system.

:laugh: what asshole is making you do this?

Some VP that ain't even in our department.

what a nut cocker...
 

PingSpike

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Originally posted by: waggy

One of the first things she did was cancel the nightly and weekly backups. She figured since we do a monthly one then that was good enough! I did my best to talk her out of it but she would not budge.

I went to her boss and the president and told them i was the situation. They backed her up so i quit.
Latter i heard that they had a failure and had to reinstall from backups. heh which were like 20 days old! oops! glad i was not there when the crap hit the fan! needless to say she was fired. They did call me back and ask if i wanted the job. i told them to kiss my ass ( i had a good job..to bad they went out of business and let me go).

kinda wish i took the job heh

WTF? Is she totally retarded? "Monthly ought to be enough." and the upper management backed her up? You would have thought some one would understand that you could stand to lose an entire months worth of data with that move.

Good thing you quit, sh|t falls downhill and some how you probably would have taken the fall for that one.
 

m2kewl

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we had a manager who thought Exchange log files were safe to delete...so she emptied 2gb of log files right off the mirror b/c it was 'hogging' space

:D:D:D
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: PingSpike
Originally posted by: waggy

One of the first things she did was cancel the nightly and weekly backups. She figured since we do a monthly one then that was good enough! I did my best to talk her out of it but she would not budge.

I went to her boss and the president and told them i was the situation. They backed her up so i quit.
Latter i heard that they had a failure and had to reinstall from backups. heh which were like 20 days old! oops! glad i was not there when the crap hit the fan! needless to say she was fired. They did call me back and ask if i wanted the job. i told them to kiss my ass ( i had a good job..to bad they went out of business and let me go).

kinda wish i took the job heh

WTF? Is she totally retarded? "Monthly ought to be enough." and the upper management backed her up? You would have thought some one would understand that you could stand to lose an entire months worth of data with that move.

Good thing you quit, sh|t falls downhill and some how you probably would have taken the fall for that one.

yeap i had a bad feeling when they asked me to stay on and train her. NO reason i should be training anyone to be head of IT.

I had a hunch something was going to happen. I didnt want to be the fall guy. anyway the drive was 1.5 hours to work heh.
 

dirtboy

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Originally posted by: notfred
"What's Firefox?"

Aren't people like this Supposed to keep up to date on computer technology?

No. Most good IT Managers focus on keeping up to date with what systems they are using and what systems they might be using. Being aware of obscure things really isn't that important when it comes to managing. Besides, he should have people that make recommendations when change is due.
 

bmacd

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Originally posted by: CraigRT
My boss would have no idea what Firefox was... and who really cares? I wouldn't expect him to, to be honest.

there's so many browsers out there...now if they didn't recognize Netscape or IE, THEN i'd start to wonder...

-=bmacd=-
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: notfred
"What's Firefox?"

Aren't people like this Supposed to keep up to date on computer technology?

ummm, at that posistion firefox has never been heard of and nor should it be. It is not their job to be a geek.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: PanzerIV
Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: yukichigai
Originally posted by: MogulMonster
The head of my IT department still thinks that the whole computer is called a hard drive, and that the routers are modems.
Does he fear this new "electricity" thing as well?

I think our head of IS (our version of IT) would preffer us to use Token Ring because it's somehow safer. She's afraid of wireless.

The guy I'm talking about is afraid of wireless too.


But is he afraid of it due to security reasons or because he's afraid of new technology?

he should be afraid of wireless. its completely insecure and not reliable.
 
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Originally posted by: Rogue
Man! If this is how the people really are out there managing IT departments, I'm gonna chew through my competition with no problem! Of course, I've worked my way up through almost every position at this point. Desktop support, server support, database admin, web server admin, Exchange server admin and network network security Manager. I hope to hold a CIO position somewhere at some point and I refuse not to be able to answer questions like, "Do you know what Firefox is?"



Don't count on your knowledge to get you those high level jobs. Jobs like that are typically gotten by the person that kisses the most ass and strokes the most co..., egos.
 

DT4K

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: PanzerIV
Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: yukichigai
Originally posted by: MogulMonster
The head of my IT department still thinks that the whole computer is called a hard drive, and that the routers are modems.
Does he fear this new "electricity" thing as well?

I think our head of IS (our version of IT) would preffer us to use Token Ring because it's somehow safer. She's afraid of wireless.

The guy I'm talking about is afraid of wireless too.


But is he afraid of it due to security reasons or because he's afraid of new technology?

he should be afraid of wireless. its completely insecure and not reliable.

WEP out of the box maybe. But it is definitely possible to have a secure wireless lan.
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: DT4K
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: PanzerIV
Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: yukichigai
Originally posted by: MogulMonster
The head of my IT department still thinks that the whole computer is called a hard drive, and that the routers are modems.
Does he fear this new "electricity" thing as well?

I think our head of IS (our version of IT) would preffer us to use Token Ring because it's somehow safer. She's afraid of wireless.

The guy I'm talking about is afraid of wireless too.


But is he afraid of it due to security reasons or because he's afraid of new technology?

he should be afraid of wireless. its completely insecure and not reliable.

WEP out of the box maybe. But it is definitely possible to have a secure wireless lan.

no it is not. It can be jammed.

we have a hard enough time securing wired lans, let alone wireless.
 

kami333

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Originally posted by: DT4K
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: PanzerIV
Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: yukichigai
Originally posted by: MogulMonster
The head of my IT department still thinks that the whole computer is called a hard drive, and that the routers are modems.
Does he fear this new "electricity" thing as well?

I think our head of IS (our version of IT) would preffer us to use Token Ring because it's somehow safer. She's afraid of wireless.

The guy I'm talking about is afraid of wireless too.


But is he afraid of it due to security reasons or because he's afraid of new technology?

he should be afraid of wireless. its completely insecure and not reliable.

WEP out of the box maybe. But it is definitely possible to have a secure wireless lan.

But better no wireless than a halfassed secured one.