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cumhail

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I'll just refer to what I posted back in May:

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...IEWTMP=Linear#14576794

This has always been about Iran, imo. All of the rest of this administration's mideast moves have gone toward positioning themselves for that eventuality. I still think there's a good chance they'll take Syria first, though, if only to prevent any possibility they'd get flanked on that front.

cumhail
 

Grunt03

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I really like Powell and have always wished him the best. I think it was a wrong move on his part to work for Bush in the first place. I think for the most part he didn't like the Bush camp but could not go aginst them. At least he is getting out now rather than stay for another four years......

As for his statement, I guess it will no longer be a surprise when we start sending troops into that country..
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: dardin211
Ya, who the hell is going to believe this adminstrations "intelligence" reports after this whole Iraq mess and proven lies?

I'd like to think no one would, but I thought there was no way in hell we'd re-elect a proven liar who should be impeached for his lies and we did. :(

51% of your fellow American citizens "believe" Bush and a whole lot more.

It's apparent that 49% have a problem "seeing" the truth.
 
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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: dardin211
Ya, who the hell is going to believe this adminstrations "intelligence" reports after this whole Iraq mess and proven lies?

I'd like to think no one would, but I thought there was no way in hell we'd re-elect a proven liar who should be impeached for his lies and we did. :(

51% of your fellow American citizens "believe" Bush and a whole lot more.

It's apparent that 49% have a problem "seeing" the truth.
It's very possible. 49% obviously believed the lie that Kerry was in Cambodia. I mean, isn't that how it works? They voted for him so they must have swallowed everything he ever said?

 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: kage69
You guys remember what happened with the boy that cried wolf right? The wolf finally came.

Indeed, except that this time if the wolf really does come, we're all fvcked.
 

Tom

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I would assume Iran wants the ability to have nuclear missiles, they have many neighbors, some potential enemies, that have the capability.

I don't see any way we can prevent them, and we probably don't have any right to do so. I think we are going to have to mainly rely on the countries that still have some diplomatic legitimacy, ours has been thrown away by 51% of our own people, to try to give Iran a real reason why not developing WMD is in their best interest.

 

maddogchen

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: kage69
You guys remember what happened with the boy that cried wolf right? The wolf finally came.

Indeed, except that this time if the wolf really does come, we're all fvcked.

We're better armed than that little boy, we got guns. Lets shoot the wolf before it gets us. woohoo! invade! :evil:
 

piasabird

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There are 50,000 troops just in South Korea. Half of them are within 20 miles of the border on the north which would be easy targets for a planned invasion. The Army of south Korea is large enough now to stop or severely limit the effectiveness of any attack from North Korea. North Korea has an extremely large army, but it is not that well equiped compared to the US. There is also an Airbase in Japan.

There has to be more than that in Germany protecting Germany from some bogous invasion by the Russians. Say maybe 100,000 men including other EU countries.

Let EU defend itself.

EU=European Union.
 

maddogchen

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Originally posted by: piasabird
There are 50,000 troops just in South Korea. Half of them are within 20 miles of the border on the north which would be easy targets for a planned invasion. The Army of south Korea is large enough now to stop or severely limit the effectiveness of any attack from North Korea. North Korea has an extremely large army, but it is not that well equiped compared to the US. There is also an Airbase in Japan.

There has to be more than that in Germany protecting Germany from some bogous invasion by the Russians. Say maybe 100,000 men including other EU countries.

Let EU defend itself.

EU=European Union.

so take that 150,000 troops from S. Korea and Europe and invade Iran? thats a good idea. we only need 10,000 more troops to provide security to a country a lot bigger than Iraq.
 

ITJunkie

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: dardin211
Ya, who the hell is going to believe this adminstrations "intelligence" reports after this whole Iraq mess and proven lies?

I'd like to think no one would, but I thought there was no way in hell we'd re-elect a proven liar who should be impeached for his lies and we did. :(

51% of your fellow American citizens "believe" Bush and a whole lot more.

It's apparent that 49% have a problem "seeing" the truth.
It's very possible. 49% obviously believed the lie that Kerry was in Cambodia. I mean, isn't that how it works? They voted for him so they must have swallowed everything he ever said?

I think many of those that voted for Kerry, myself included, did not vote for him because he would have been a good president or that we "believed" everything he said. It was more that we know what Bush is capable of and it didn't align with our "moral code". It doesn't mean we're right and you are wrong or vice-versa, just that we don't agree.

Or is that now grounds for treason ;)

(sorry, couldn't help the baseless jab there :))

 

kage69

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There are 50,000 troops just in South Korea.


Actually, at the end of 2003, we had 37,000 troops in South Korea. Bush just reduced that to 25,000 a few months ago.
 
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Originally posted by: ITJunkie
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: dardin211
Ya, who the hell is going to believe this adminstrations "intelligence" reports after this whole Iraq mess and proven lies?

I'd like to think no one would, but I thought there was no way in hell we'd re-elect a proven liar who should be impeached for his lies and we did. :(

51% of your fellow American citizens "believe" Bush and a whole lot more.

It's apparent that 49% have a problem "seeing" the truth.
It's very possible. 49% obviously believed the lie that Kerry was in Cambodia. I mean, isn't that how it works? They voted for him so they must have swallowed everything he ever said?

I think many of those that voted for Kerry, myself included, did not vote for him because he would have been a good president or that we "believed" everything he said. It was more that we know what Bush is capable of and it didn't align with our "moral code". It doesn't mean we're right and you are wrong or vice-versa, just that we don't agree.

Or is that now grounds for treason ;)

(sorry, couldn't help the baseless jab there :))
I completely agree with you. There are people that voted for Bush as well because they could stomache Kerry less than they could Bush.

I was just pointing out the odoriferous logical fallacy of the whole "51%/49% agree" claims that have been wafting through P&N lately.
 

kage69

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We're better armed than that little boy, we got guns. Lets shoot the wolf before it gets us. woohoo! invade!


It sure would be swell if that last pre-emptive strike was justified then huh? Losing our credibility for this kind of thing sure is a bitch, particulary in this age of nuclear and biological weapons where even a 'little boy' can dish out a lethal or debilitating blow to a well armed adversary. I'm stunned at how many Americans don't realize how far Bush has set us back with his grand adventure. The effects of this clusterfuck will echo for decades.
 

ITJunkie

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Originally posted by: kage69
We're better armed than that little boy, we got guns. Lets shoot the wolf before it gets us. woohoo! invade!


It sure would be swell if that last pre-emptive strike was justified then huh? Losing our credibility for this kind of thing sure is a bitch, particulary in this age of nuclear and biological weapons where even a 'little boy' can dish out a lethal or debilitating blow to a well armed adversary. I'm stunned at how many Americans don't realize how far Bush has set us back with his grand adventure. The effects of this clusterfuck will echo for decades.

:beer:
 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Perfectly logical. Might be true

But I can't believe him. This administration has shown itself incompetent or a bunch of liars or both.

They cried wolf too many times, which is a shame. I wish I could trust their judgement.

Come on you 49% losers, face you're in the minority and obviously wrong.

If Powell says Iran is building WMD then it has to be true just like in Iraq.

Get with the program.

Where are the troops going to come from to invade Iran???

Iran is building nukes and missles for the delivery of them, anyone with some form of intelligence can figure this out
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: kage69
We're better armed than that little boy, we got guns. Lets shoot the wolf before it gets us. woohoo! invade!


It sure would be swell if that last pre-emptive strike was justified then huh? Losing our credibility for this kind of thing sure is a bitch, particulary in this age of nuclear and biological weapons where even a 'little boy' can dish out a lethal or debilitating blow to a well armed adversary. I'm stunned at how many Americans don't realize how far Bush has set us back with his grand adventure. The effects of this clusterfuck will echo for decades.

I don't know about that, there is an awful lot of people perfectly happy with our "credibility" just the way it is.
 

BAMAVOO

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Originally posted by: dardin211
Ya, who the hell is going to believe this adminstrations "intelligence" reports after this whole Iraq mess and proven lies?

I'd like to think no one would, but I thought there was no way in hell we'd re-elect a proven liar who should be impeached for his lies and we did. :(

You talkin' about Clinton?
 

blahblah99

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Perfectly logical. Might be true

But I can't believe him. This administration has shown itself incompetent or a bunch of liars or both.

They cried wolf too many times, which is a shame. I wish I could trust their judgement.

Come on you 49% losers, face you're in the minority and obviously wrong.

If Powell says Iran is building WMD then it has to be true just like in Iraq.

Get with the program.

Where are the troops going to come from to invade Iran???

From the draftees.

 

Gaard

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Pressed by reporters on the intelligence reports, Powell said the intelligence indicates that Iran "had been actively working on delivery systems" capable of carrying a nuclear weapon. "These are not assertions", Powell added, "They are facts."

;)
 

LunarRay

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I wouldn't doubt Iran is WMD eager.. or in process or actually has some. Why should I presume they don't? The Bush Administration perversity and willingness to lie notwithstanding, I'd have to assume it to be true and engage high level diplomatic solutions to reducing the potential area wide consequences. Going to war based on these assertions is another thing altogether.

 

phillyTIM

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Well well well....on today's news, Colin Powell admits that his assertion of Iran having/getting a bomb is based on ONE SHAKY SOURCE.

He needs to step out of the Bush Regime's circle of lies right NOW if he ever hopes to have any future political ambitions...cuz he's tainted already.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: phillyTIM
Well well well....on today's news, Colin Powell admits that his assertion of Iran having/getting a bomb is based on ONE SHAKY SOURCE.

He needs to step out of the Bush Regime's circle of lies right NOW if he ever hopes to have any future political ambitions...cuz he's tainted already.

More detail on that:

Nuclear allegations on Iran unverified
U.S. officials checking evidence cited by Powell
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6525369
Secretary of State Colin L. Powell shared information with reporters Wednesday about Iran's nuclear program that was classified and based on an unvetted, single source who provided information that two U.S. officials said yesterday was highly significant if true but has not yet been verified.

Powell and other senior Cabinet members were briefed last week on the sensitive intelligence. The material was stamped "No Foreign," meaning it was not to be shared with allies, although President Bush decided that portions could be shared last week with British Prime Minister Tony Blair, officials said.

According to one official with access to the material, a "walk-in" source approached U.S intelligence earlier this month with more than 1,000 pages purported to be Iranian drawings and technical documents, including a nuclear warhead design and modifications enabling Iranian ballistic missiles to deliver an atomic strike. The official agreed to discuss the information on the condition of anonymity and only because Powell had alluded to it publicly.

But U.S. intelligence officials have been combing the information carefully and with a wary eye, mindful of the mistakes made in trusting intelligence information alleging that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction. Powell, who announced earlier this week that he would not stay on for a second term, presented that intelligence in a February 2003 speech to the U.N. Security Council that was meant to convince the world that Saddam Hussein needed to be forcefully removed from power. Much of his presentation turned out to be based on information provided by unreliable sources.

If the information on Iran were confirmed, it would mean the Islamic republic is further along than previously known in developing a nuclear weapon and the means to deliver it. The documents included a specific warhead design with an implosion device on the tip and adjustments aimed at outfitting the warhead on existing Iranian missile systems.

U.S. intelligence has known since at least 2002 that Iran was capable of enriching uranium, the key ingredient in a nuclear bomb. Iran also has a successful missile program. But U.N. nuclear inspectors who have been investigating Iran for nearly two years have found no evidence that Tehran possesses a nuclear warhead design or is conducting a nuclear weapons program.

Denial by Iran
The Islamic republic, which on Sunday entered into a new deal with France, Britain and Germany to suspend its nuclear program, has denied it is trying to build atomic weapons and insists its work is part of a budding energy effort.

Western intelligence estimates of Iran's capabilities vary. But U.S. officials believe Iran could be three to five years from completing a bomb if it is successful at constructing and operating thousands of highly sophisticated centrifuge parts for enriching uranium.

The information provided by the source, who was not previously known to U.S. intelligence, does not mention uranium or any other area of Iran's known nuclear program, according to the official with access to the material. It focuses instead on a warhead design and modifications to Iran's long-range Shahab-3 missile and a medium-range missile in its arsenal. The Shahab-3 has a range of 800 miles and is capable of hitting Israel.

The official said the CIA remains unsure about the authenticity of the documents and how the informant came into their possession. A second official would say only that there are questions about the source of the information.

Officials interviewed by The Washington Post did not know the identity of the source or whether the individual is connected to an Iranian exile group that made fresh accusations about Iran at a news conference Wednesday in Paris. The National Council for Resistance in Iran charged that Iran was still enriching uranium and will continue to do so despite the pledge made Sunday to European foreign ministers.

The group also claimed that Iran received blueprints for a Chinese-made bomb in the mid-1990s from the global nuclear network led by Pakistani scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan. The group, which is considered a terrorist organization by the State Department, exposed a secret Iranian enrichment facility in 2002, but many of its claims since have been inaccurate.

The lack of certainty about the source who approached U.S. intelligence had kept officials from talking publicly about the information, and Powell's comments caught the small group of informed officials by surprise and angered some of them.

European concern
Powell's remarks also drew expressions of concern from European allies who just days earlier had entered into an agreement with Iran to suspend work on its nuclear program. Even if the documents are authentic, Iran's possessing them would not by itself violate international law, officials said. And the information was not enough to stop British officials from signing the agreement with Iran.

Yesterday, in an effort to assuage European concerns, the administration told diplomats from those countries that Powell misspoke in releasing information that had not yet been verified, sources said. During a conversation about Iran with reporters accompanying him on a trip to Chile on Wednesday, Powell said he had "seen some information that would suggest that they have been actively working on delivery systems. I'm not talking about uranium or fissile material or the warhead, I'm talking about what one does with a warhead."

Powell's spokesman said yesterday that the secretary stood by those remarks. "The secretary did not misspeak," said State Department spokesman J. Adam Ereli, who added that Powell's deputy, Richard L. Armitage, "saw the same information."

Ereli did not elaborate on the nature of Powell's comments at his daily briefing. White House spokesman Scott McClellan said only that "Powell was talking about intelligence that we have seen, that's what he was referring to."

Meanwhile, senior State Department officials traveling with Powell in Santiago, Chile, said yesterday that President Bush will appeal to Asian leaders this weekend to intercede with North Korea to return to deadlocked talks on its nuclear weapons program.

Bush will press allied leaders of China, Japan, South Korea and Russia -- partners with the United States for more than a year in negotiations to disarm Pyongyang -- on the sidelines of the annual Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum in Chile. The Bush administration believes North Korea may be more willing to reconsider rejoining the six-party talks now that the U.S. presidential election is over, the officials said.

With limited alternatives, U.S. officials hope the president's personal intervention will impress allies to try once again to prod North Korea. "Bush's meetings with leaders are going to be quite significant in stating his own commitment to the six-party process," said a senior State Department official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive diplomacy.

The diplomatic effort has been in trouble since Kim Jong Il's government boycotted a planned session of the six-party talks in September. The Bush administration believes North Korea was waiting to see the fate of Democratic candidate John F. Kerry, who had proposed the kind of direct talks the Clinton administration tried in 2000.

Japan and South Korea have offered economic and energy incentives as part of the package to win North Korea's compliance. But North Korea had been holding out for additional incentives, including the prospect of one-on-one talks with the United States, as conditions to resume negotiations.
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