So our priest denied our daughter's baptism...

[ShawnD1]

If you want to guilt him into it, ask him what would happen if she died without the sacrament of baptism or if its fair to blame her for the sins of her father???

Um are you sure you know what baptism is about? You are baptized as a baby to be forgiven for shit humans did thousands and thousands of years ago. Is it fair to blame an infant for shit the OP did? According to Christians, yes it is. That's exactly what the priest will tell you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_sin

 

[So]

Thankfully God decides who goes to hell, not Catholics.

<Hubert Farnsworth>Bad news, somebody....</Hubert Farnsworth>

 

[Malak]

Um are you sure you know what baptism is about? You are baptized as a baby to be forgiven for shit humans did thousands and thousands of years ago. Is it fair to blame an infant for shit the OP did? According to Christians, yes it is. That's exactly what the priest will tell you.

According to Catholics, not Christians. Baptism has nothing to do with what you said.

 

[Nik]

You sort of missed all of the posts where I said that I went through the sacraments in this church, and plan on going more frequently.

That doesn't make you a Catholic. That just makes you ritualistic. Maybe legalistic, if you want to take it that far.

If you're not going to live the lifestyle to the T, why bother at all? Squirt your kid in the face with a super soaker and call it good. You're basically accomplishing the same thing: waving a magic wand in the air, going HOCUS POCUS, and expecting that getting your baby wet will have some sort of affect on their life in some way other than getting them wet with water.

 

[Nik]

Um are you sure you know what baptism is about? You are baptized as a baby to be forgiven for shit humans did thousands and thousands of years ago. Is it fair to blame an infant for shit the OP did? According to Christians, yes it is. That's exactly what the priest will tell you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_sin

Baptism does not absolve you from sin in either the Catholic faith or the Christian faith.

The simple concept is that an imperfect being cannot create (give birth to, in this case) a perfect being. Therefore, all of Adam/Eve's children were imperfect, corrupted by sin.

Not that fairy tale details matter, but that's what it is in a nutshell.

...which begs the question, how did Adam and Eve sin in the first place if they were first without sin, uncorrupted, and perfect as the Bible says?

 

[Howard]

So why are you baptizing the baby if you're not that serious about attending church?

(not that I think the priest was in the right)

 

[CRXican]

Pay up lol

 

[Orignal Earl]

Earl I am a cantor in the the Catholic church........I get paid to cantor.
My wife`s parents happen to be Catholic and Jewish.

There is a side of my family when I was growing up that wanted nothing to do with being Jewish......
It`s a long story suffice it to say I get along with the Priest`s and the Rabbi`s
where I Live.

I am in very good standing with my Synagogue and the Parish where I cantor!

In fact I do quite well as a cantor and a musician!

I'm still somewhat confused and your insults in the private message did not help any either.
I can understand being Jewish ethnically and practicing Catholicism
But I can't see practicing both Judaism and Catholicism at the same time
So what your saying is that you practice Judaism and sing for a Catholic church?
Which is all good, but really doesn't make you an expert in Catholic matters

 

[Perknose]

If you're not going to live the lifestyle to the T, why bother at all?

You don't get to define the OP's choice of religious path according to your own primitive, pre-determined, all or nothing stance.

Hundreds and hundreds of thousands of American Catholics differ in their views and practices from those prescribed by the Vatican.

We get it. This makes you and the Pope apoplectic with rage.

The Pope has some standing about what American Catholics should believe and do.

You, not so much.

Please have the class to cease giving the OP advice he hasn't asked for and doesn't want.

 

[CRXican]

it's a sign from god

quit

 

[Nik]

You don't get to define the OP's choice of religious path according to your own primitive, pre-determined, all or nothing stance.

Hundreds and hundreds of thousands of American Catholics differ in their views and practices from those prescribed by the Vatican.

We get it. This makes you and the Pope apoplectic with rage.

The Pope has some standing about what American Catholics should believe and do.

You, not so much.

Please have the class to cease giving the OP advice he hasn't asked for and doesn't want.

It's a public forum where I can offer advice whenever I goddamn please.

You could always take your own advice and have the class to cease giving me your advice which I haven't asked for and do not want... :thumbsup:

That post had more than just that one line, so you can take shit out of context trying to make it sound like I'm saying things I'm not completely intending to say all you want if it makes you feel better about yourself.

The whole point of my post was, why bother if you don't care? Why does the OP care (raging over it) about something he doesn't really care about (baptism and catholicism)? The Bible clearly warns believers not to forsake the gathering of the saints, but that's a whole nother HUGE conversation. This was my point, obviously.

Either shit or get off the pot, bud.

 

[Perknose]

Either shit or get off the pot, bud.

Open your mouth and close your eyes, I've made my choice. :awe:

 

[Nik]

Haha. I haven't heard that line since elementary school. Last time that happened, my best friend stuffed a handfull of dry oak leaves in my mouth

 

[chipy]

Open your mouth and close your eyes, I've made my choice. :awe:

hehe i grinned. but really, you two should play more nicely.

 

[Nik]

hehe i grinned. but really, you two should play more nicely.

If you think we're being mean to each other, you obviously haven't been around very long

 

[moshquerade]

You should do as I did, give up on the Catholic church. Any organization that allows the systematic abuse of children world wide is not place to bring a child nor one I would want to belong too. Personally I'd be afraid to bring my child to a Catholic church.

you're an ass.

 

[MovingTarget]

Did you try another parish yet? I still find it hard to believe that a priest would deny baptism of an infant for ANY reason. If you want to raise your child in the faith, then the priest/parish/diocese should be doing everything in its power to help you do so. As a Catholic myself, it deeply saddens and confuses me that the priest did this.

 

[skulkingghost]

Contact another parish and the bishop, a priest CAN NOT deny a baptism.

//They can but the rules for that have nothing to do with this. <--- Theology Major

 

[AreaCode707]

1. Visit another parish and attend for a few weeks before talking to the priest
2. Forward the email to your bishop, summarize the most recent conversation and express your confusion about what it will take to get your kid baptized and ask for assistance.

 

[thegimp03]

Tell the priest he just lost a parishioner and take your daughter to a different catholic church.

 

[FallenHero]

I'm sorry, I really mean no disrespect.. but how can some of you people believe this stuff? It's like you live on a completely different planet than I do.

If it helps you, that's great I guess.. But religion makes no sense to someone like me. I mean.. how would I even pick one, if I wanted to? Whichever one suited my ideals best? lol.. That's ridiculous. The way I look at it, there are as many religions as there are people on this planet. It doesn't matter what you believe in. It's up to you whether you want to be a good person, have a prosperous life. People of any and all religions are capable of being happy, positive, productive people.

Unfortunately, religion is and has often been used as an excuse for behavior that is shunned by any "good" society, religious or not. The hypocrisy is just overwhelming. I dunno. It's like trying to fit a square idea into a round hole. It just doesn't mesh with the repeatable, verifiable, indisputable, physical, tangible, observable facts. *shrug*

My (actually rather serious) question to you would be this: Of all the religions that have existed in the last 50,000 years.. How do you know you've picked the right one?

Pascals wager my friend.

 

[FallenHero]

Lutherans pretty much are Catholics, we just have more fun at it.

The sanctity of the sacraments comes from God not the church. The sacraments are offered to anyone who understands what they represent and desires to receive them. I would argue that receiving them automatically makes you a member of the church not the other way around.

We also don't believe in buying our way out of hell, or in having to attend church because some dude said so. Faith is between us and god, and doesn't need another being in the way of it.

 

[IcePickFreak]

Baptism does not absolve you from sin in either the Catholic faith or the Christian faith.

The simple concept is that an imperfect being cannot create (give birth to, in this case) a perfect being. Therefore, all of Adam/Eve's children were imperfect, corrupted by sin.

Not that fairy tale details matter, but that's what it is in a nutshell.

...which begs the question, how did Adam and Eve sin in the first place if they were first without sin, uncorrupted, and perfect as the Bible says?

Because they ate an apple, duh. It's the little known 8th deadly sin.

Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, Envy, Pride... and Apples.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Pascals wager my friend.

And I thought Atheists were supposed to be the cynics. I'm sure when you die Hades will understand that you were just playing the odds and let you off with a slap on the wrist.

 

[Slapstick]

you're an ass.

Yes I am! I'm also a "former Catholic" that worked with abused children at the beginning of my career and now, 30 years later, some of my "Clients " are child molesters, rapists, and just about any other perversion you can think of. From my experience working with this population the systematic cover up done by the church has done nothing but given these pedophilic priest's a license to molest. The whole dynamic of the molest, cover up, re-molest cycle was compounded by the way the church handled the abuse. How many thousands of children would have been spared had the church not covered it up. Given the bad publicity today, to what length is the church still covering up past and present abuse?

After 30 + years the one thing I know is that you can't cure a pedophile, you can only hope to control the behavior.