So Obama picks a black person and the cowards go crazy

[Atreus21]

This thread delivers.

Was just gonna say that.

 

[Blanky]

Nice dodge. Statistics say every AG before Holder was White, therefore Obama should have picked somebody white in the first place, I suppose. OTOH, statistically speaking, Obama shouldn't be there in the first place.

If Righties are color blind, as they claim, then why is this an issue at all?

Funny how that doesn't quite fit together, huh?

A criticism of Obama means I am a rightie? What a simple world view.

Are you truly saying that race has no part in Obama's selection? Statistics say this is exceedingly unlikely.

 

[Atreus21]

A criticism of Obama means I am a rightie? What a simple world view.

You gotta love new arrivals.

 

[Zargon]

Here's all I need to know:
2. She Was Apparently Eric Holder’s Pick to Replace Him

onnnnnk! Next!

source:http://heavy.com/news/2014/11/loretta-lynch-new-attorney-general-bio-husband-new-york-edny/

/thread. no idea why its continuing.

anyone that worked with that douche willingly should be excused from their position.

 

[fskimospy]

A criticism of Obama means I am a rightie? What a simple world view.

Are you truly saying that race has no part in Obama's selection? Statistics say this is exceedingly unlikely.

Do they now? What is your basis for this? Considering the sample sizes present as well as all the interacting variables it seems pretty impossible for anyone to make that statement.

 

[thraashman]

Nice dodge. Statistics say every AG before Holder was White, therefore Obama should have picked somebody white in the first place, I suppose. OTOH, statistically speaking, Obama shouldn't be there in the first place.

If Righties are color blind, as they claim, then why is this an issue at all?

Funny how that doesn't quite fit together, huh?

Not technically. Precedence says all before being white says he should be white. Statistics say that 81 before him were white, but the country is only 77% white while 13% black and 5% asian so we shouldn't have another white attorney general until around number 105.

 

[werepossum]

What's funny is to think that Obama, or Holder, gives a shit about black people. They don't give a flying fuck through a rolling donut about them. If they did they wouldn't be importing tens of thousands of illegals to take lower skill/wage jobs and would actually advocate better policies re: drug war, social programs, and other incentives to actually work.

This is why this is nothing more than a huge race bait. Trying to paint the Rs into a corner so that they can point to them and say "hey, you are racist if you don't affirm" when they don't give a fuck about race.

There are assholes on both sides of the aisle, racists too. To say that racism is completely confined to Rs is utterly moronic and not surprising giving ivwshane's genetically addled brain.

That is a good point, but there is one completely legitimate reason why Obama would select a black person. At his heart he is still a community organizer, just with more serious leverage. In choosing a black woman, he may be looking for a kindred soul in his quest for racial justice warfare. That isn't racist as long as one honestly believes we still need racial justice warriors, and who among us can't see somewhere such behavior is still needed?

One other possibility - he may have been honestly impressed with her. As a high level black female prosecutor she'd stand out among her paler maler brethren, so she might more easily come to his mind without consciously thinking about race.

One third possibility that perhaps would be somewhat race-based but not race-baiting is that he wishes to groom her for higher office. A stint as AG might look good in selection for appellate courts.

And if he is simply race-baiting the Pubbies, well, you gonna blame the man who lays the trap or the man who willingly jumps in it?

 

[Jhhnn]

I didn't click the article but having two black attorney generals in a row is, shall we say, statistically unusual and I've no doubt whatsoever that race played a role in Obama's decision. It would be absurd to argue otherwise. Holder was the 82nd attorney general and the first black one. If the 83rd is also black, it's certainly fair to question whether this appointment is entirely a merit-based one and not biased due to this lady's race. Some may say that Obama is on the contrary the first racially-blind one to nominate and all the previous have been racists, but looking at the relative pool of candidates this would be a desperate and incorrect conclusion.

A criticism of Obama means I am a rightie? What a simple world view.

If Race doesn't matter, why is the Right dragging this around & growling over it? Why are you, if not for the same reasons?

Are you truly saying that race has no part in Obama's selection? Statistics say this is exceedingly unlikely.

I'm saying it doesn't matter except to people who want to make something of it, people who luvs 'em some reverse-racism memes. It's part of the "They're just as bad!" song & dance. They didn't even think of it in racial terms when white presidents appointed the previous 81 white AG's. But now, now it's a big OMFG deal.

The spin justifies what are fundamentally racist beliefs among whites, particularly among people who don't examine what they believe with any effort, hide it even from themselves.

 

[himkhan]

A criticism of Obama means I am a rightie? What a simple world view.

Are you truly saying that race has no part in Obama's selection? Statistics say this is exceedingly unlikely.

If you are truly saying that race has no part in all the previous AG appointments then you must live in the same simple world you are accusing him of being a part of. 2 AG's both black. All previous ones white. She is clearly more qualified than her predecessor and a much better pick, perhaps she should have been selected right off the bat and skip the entire Holder years.

 

[fskimospy]

If you are truly saying that race has no part in all the previous AG appointments then you must live in the same simple world you are accusing him of being a part of. 2 AG's both black. All previous ones white. She is clearly more qualified than her predecessor and a much better pick, perhaps she should have been selected right off the bat and skip the entire Holder years.

81 consecutive white attorneys general? NO PROBLEM HERE.

2 consecutive black attorneys general? RACISM EVERYWHERE.

 

[werepossum]

I am not pulling any "bullshit". I am calling a spade a spade. Race baiters are race baiting, period. This move is an intentional race bait from Obama.

Sure, he has the right to choose anybody he chooses.

Are you saying she is? Do you know, for a fact, that she'll uphold the Constitution and not support bypassing our Constitutional system by not allowing Congress to vote on laws?

The number one qualification on which a President demands in an AG nominee is a willingness to find ways to do the President's will, whether or not that happens to be in line with the Constitution. Always. So this is nothing new.

I'm not overly enthused about her, but Breitbart.com calls her "a qualified - but political - choice." For an Obama nominee, that's not far from a black woman getting a grudging nod from the KKK Chapter of the He-Man Woman-Hater's Club. American Thinker quotes Lynch in HSE.com as saying:

'There are two spheres where my office is the most active’, Loretta Lynch said, ‘These are investigating crimes committed by police officers, especially those related to human rights violation, and investigating politicians involved in bribery and embezzlement’.

Such investigations, Ms. Lynch admitted, are especially hard to carry out, since the formal principle of equality before the law is perverted here. Policemen often act according to the principle of corporate solidarity, protecting their colleagues, and politicians try to use their connections and influence in order to avoid responsibility.​

These are Obama's core concerns from his start as a community organizer, so I don't find it odd that he sees Ms. Lynch as a kindred spirit. No doubt there are myriad people who are better qualified from a scholarly, educational, or experience standpoint, but she is someone he can count on to continue and even expand on Holder's racial justice activism. We on the right are fond of pointing out how little Obama has done for blacks. Well, lots of black folks want to see these policies continued and expanded. Lots of white progressives as well, and no doubt one factor in Lynch's selection was recognition of how comparatively few of these folks showed up to vote this time around. Obama probably thinks that if he can show government punishing the people proggies want punished, then more of them will turn out in 2016.

 

[Fern]

So it seems to me the entire purpose of this thread is LegendKiller saying he's upset that the President nominated another black attorney general, but that doesn't make him racist it makes Obama racist.
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Of course it does, unless you're one of those who believes only whites can be racist.

Here's the common sense observation:

I didn't click the article but having two black attorney generals in a row is, shall we say, statistically unusual and I've no doubt whatsoever that race played a role in Obama's decision. It would be absurd to argue otherwise.
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Exactly.

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But from what news I've seen, no one's "gone crazy". All I heard is that she's likely to be confirmed easily. I may have even heard that on Fox News when her likely nomination was made public. The report I heard about her was pretty positive.

There are a lot of claims about conservatives going crazy, but unless I've missed it no one's linked to any example. And no, I don't accept anonymous remarks at the bottom of linked articles as evidence of anything other than examples of 'internet crazy'.

Fern

 

[fskimospy]

Of course it does, unless you're one of those who believes only whites can be racist.

Here's the common sense observation:

Exactly.

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But from what news I've seen, no one's "gone crazy". All I heard is that she's likely to be confirmed easily. I may have even heard that on Fox News when her likely nomination was made public. The report I heard about her was pretty positive.

There are a lot of claims about conservatives going crazy, but unless I've missed it no one's linked to any example. And no, I don't accept anonymous remarks at the bottom of linked articles as evidence of anything other than 'internet craziness'.

Fern

Do you think the selection of the 80th and 81st consecutive white AGs had something to do with their race, considering how unlikely that is?

 

[schmuckley]

No dumbass! I insult them and add nothing to the discussion because that's exactly what they are doing. Welcome to the cesspool, thanks for joining in! what I do all the time.

fixed
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[Fern]

Do you think the selection of the 80th and 81st consecutive white AGs had something to do with their race, considering how unlikely that is?

#80 looks to have been Gonzales. He's brown, not white and I think it was GWB pandering to the Hispanic community. So yes, in this case I do think race had something to do with it. (And, if you recall correctly, I've heavily criticized Gonzales here as being incompetent.)

#81 looks to have been Mukasey. My recollection was that he was highly qualified and in this case I don't think GWB was pandering to the Jewish community.

Mukasey also served for 18 years as a judge of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York, six of those years as Chief Judge. He is the recipient of several awards, most notably the Learned Hand Medal of the Federal Bar Council.[4] Mukasey was the second Jewish U.S. Attorney General.

So no, race not involved in Mukasey's nomination.

Fern

 

[Matt1970]

A criticism of Obama means I am a rightie? What a simple world view.

Are you truly saying that race has no part in Obama's selection? Statistics say this is exceedingly unlikely.

You are new here and don't know yet but compared to Jhhnn everyone is a rightie.

 

[ivwshane]

fixed
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Case in point!

 

[fskimospy]

#80 looks to have been Gonzales. He's brown, not white and I think it was GWB pandering to the Hispanic community. So yes, in this case I do think race had something to do with it. (And, if you recall correctly, I've heavily criticized Gonzales here as being incompetent.)

#81 looks to have been Mukasey. My recollection was that he was highly qualified and in this case I don't think GWB was pandering to the Jewish community.

So no, race not involved in Mukasey's nomination.

Fern

I think you mighty have missed the point. The selection of so many white AGs is far more improbable in a statistics sense than the selection of two consecutive black AGs.

I don't remember conservatives ever talking about how the white presidents were being racist for selecting whites. Maybe I missed it?

 

[werepossum]

#80 looks to have been Gonzales. He's brown, not white and I think it was GWB pandering to the Hispanic community. So yes, in this case I do think race had something to do with it. (And, if you recall correctly, I've heavily criticized Gonzales here as being incompetent.)

#81 looks to have been Mukasey. My recollection was that he was highly qualified and in this case I don't think GWB was pandering to the Jewish community.

So no, race not involved in Mukasey's nomination.

Fern

Sorry, all conservatives are automatically racist old white men. Even Thomas Sewell is a racist old white guy. Hell, even Condeleeza Rice is a racist old white guy.

Mukasey is one of the very few really qualified AGs - I suspect because W had been so shamed by criticism of Gonzales. More commonly we get Gonzales or Holder or Ramsey Clark or Edwin Meese.

 

[zinfamous]

Of course it does, unless you're one of those who believes only whites can be racist.

Here's the common sense observation:



Exactly.

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But from what news I've seen, no one's "gone crazy". All I heard is that she's likely to be confirmed easily. I may have even heard that on Fox News when her likely nomination was made public. The report I heard about her was pretty positive.

There are a lot of claims about conservatives going crazy, but unless I've missed it no one's linked to any example. And no, I don't accept anonymous remarks at the bottom of linked articles as evidence of anything other than examples of 'internet crazy'.

Fern

Was it crazy when we suddenly had the first female secretary of state...then something like 3 in a row?

Was that suddenly sexist?

 

[Fern]

I think you mighty have missed the point. The selection of so many white AGs is far more improbable in a statistics sense than the selection of two consecutive black AGs.

I don't agree.

And the statistics mentioned here are inappropriate. They shouldn't be based on the population in general, but rather the population of qualified lawyers. It seems to me that blacks have been underrepresented (as compared to the general population) in federal judgeships. To that end, even using the list of 80 or whatever is stupid. For much of that period there was no black candidate to even consider. The list of black federal judges prior to 1865 was pretty small, "small" as in zero.

Just for fun I'll put this here: http://jtbf.org/index.php?src=direc...&category=United States District Court Judges

I don't remember conservatives ever talking about how the white presidents were being racist for selecting whites. Maybe I missed it?

Why would they? (Rhetorical question, btw.)

This sort of talk is fueled when the candidate can not arguably be seen as the most legally qualified. And, yes, we've seen conservatives (and Dems) complain about racists choices (well, not racist per se, but perhaps sexist) in GWB's (brief) nomination of Harriet Myers (sp?).

Fern

 

[Blanky]

Do they now? What is your basis for this? Considering the sample sizes present as well as all the interacting variables it seems pretty impossible for anyone to make that statement.

Basis in post #72. I didn't say race is definitely a factor here, but statistics tell me it most likely is is, hence the wording "exceedingly unlikely" that it isn't.

I do wonder why so many are suspending disbelief here. The fact it was 100% whites for 81 in a row tells you that the office is quite racially biased. The idea that suddenly after a couple of hundred years it's now not biased is incredible.

If Race doesn't matter, why is the Right dragging this around & growling over it? Why are you, if not for the same reasons?

I already stated them, and clearly. You keep trying to distill this down to left vs right. Do you always do this? It's not a healthy way to look at things. You're bound to miss truths.

I think you mighty have missed the point. The selection of so many white AGs is far more improbable in a statistics sense than the selection of two consecutive black AGs.

I don't remember conservatives ever talking about how the white presidents were being racist for selecting whites. Maybe I missed it?

I see we're nearly on the same page, as might as you may not realized you've done it; we both believe that appointments of attorney general are racially motivated. 81 non-blacks in a row is certainly influenced by racial bias.

 

[fskimospy]

Sorry, all conservatives are automatically racist old white men. Even Thomas Sewell is a racist old white guy. Hell, even Condeleeza Rice is a racist old white guy.

Mukasey is one of the very few really qualified AGs - I suspect because W had been so shamed by criticism of Gonzales. More commonly we get Gonzales or Holder or Ramsey Clark or Edwin Meese.

Or maybe there's some selective awareness of probabilities when it comes to race.

You guys never say a word when white person after white person is nominated, despite that being far less likely to be random, statistically speaking. I wonder why that is.

 

[Fern]

Was it crazy when we suddenly had the first female secretary of state...then something like 3 in a row?

Was that suddenly sexist?

That's never happened.

In any case, Albright was arguably the most qualified candidate at the time, having been our ambassador to the UN. Likewise with Rice and Clinton.

All of these were high profile types.

Was there an element of pandering to women for political gain? Likely, but all were highly qualified and high profile.

I think there was some additional political purpose to Clinton as well: Unify House Clinton and Obama after a tough primary.

Fern

 

[zinfamous]

Or maybe there's some selective awareness of probabilities when it comes to race.

You guys never say a word when white person after white person is nominated, despite that being far less likely to be random, statistically speaking. I wonder why that is.

I like how eskimposy is the only one in this thread that is actually applying statistics appropriately.

No one else actually seems to understand how statistics work. :hmm: