So Nevada is the deciding state...

[EliteRetard]

With just a few thousand votes either way.

Interesting.

 

[woolfe9998]

May or may not be the deciding state. Depends.

Also, most of the outstanding vote is from Clark county (LV), so it looks solid for Biden.

They haven't updated since last night though. Not sure what's happening there.

 

[blackangst1]

Yeah it depends. If somehow Trump gets AZ, the Biden would need NV and GA. But then theres PA on the table still as well. Still up in the air.

 

[sandorski]

Put it all on Black.

 

[sactoking]

No update from Washoe (Reno) or Clark (Vegas) counties until tomorrow, though the SOS says update later today. Remaining ballots are mail and same-day registration, so they take a lot longer to process.

Current count + demographics of votes uncounted = very small chance for Trump to win.

 

[EliteRetard]

I guess my point was, literally every vote counts and even "small" states matter.

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Actually, I do wonder how things would break down if it was not winner takes all.

If every state split their "votes" directly based on popular vote, rounding up for the winner.

Example Texas (38 votes):
Republicans: 52.3% - 19.874 - winner round up to 20
. Democrats: 46.3% - 17.594 - round to 18 (unless a third party takes the point)

New York (29 votes)
Republicans: 42.9% - 12.441 - round down to 12
. Democrats: 55.7% - 16.153 - winner round up to 17

 

[Jhhnn]

No update from Washoe (Reno) or Clark (Vegas) counties until tomorrow, though the SOS says update later today. Remaining ballots are mail and same-day registration, so they take a lot longer to process.

Current count + demographics of votes uncounted = very small chance for Trump to win.

Over 2/3 of the population of Nevada is in Clark County & another 1/6 is in Washoe. Biden has a 7.5% lead in Clark & a 5% lead in Washoe, which isn't likely to change much. Looks like Biden will ride it on in.

 

[soulcougher73]

I guess my point was, literally every vote counts and even "small" states matter.

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Actually, I do wonder how things would break down if it was not winner takes all.

If every state split their "votes" directly based on popular vote, rounding up for the winner.

Example Texas (38 votes):
Republicans: 52.3% - 19.874 - winner round up to 20
. Democrats: 46.3% - 17.594 - round to 18 (unless a third party takes the point)

New York (29 votes)
Republicans: 42.9% - 12.441 - round down to 12
. Democrats: 55.7% - 16.153 - winner round up to 17

if you do this you may as well abandon the EC in favor of popular vote, since it would have the same outcome.

 

[woolfe9998]

I guess my point was, literally every vote counts and even "small" states matter.

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Actually, I do wonder how things would break down if it was not winner takes all.

If every state split their "votes" directly based on popular vote, rounding up for the winner.

Example Texas (38 votes):
Republicans: 52.3% - 19.874 - winner round up to 20
. Democrats: 46.3% - 17.594 - round to 18 (unless a third party takes the point)

New York (29 votes)
Republicans: 42.9% - 12.441 - round down to 12
. Democrats: 55.7% - 16.153 - winner round up to 17

Oh yes, small states can matter. There is actually a very plausible scenario at play here where Biden only wins because he picked up that one district in Nebraska. It could happen.

 

[EliteRetard]

if you do this you may as well abandon the EC in favor of popular vote, since it would have the same outcome.

Well removing the EC is a separate issue. Personally I'm not a fan of it.
I think it would be easy enough to just change the system though.
Not removing anything, nor creating, just a slight modification.

Ignoring all that though, I'm just curious if anything would be different in this election.
I recall looking at this before, and Obama for example would have lost his second term.

 

[MrSquished]

The EC is dumb and antiquated. It was created due to a concern of a low information population with a lack of access to news and learning, especially rural outposts, choosing a demagogue populist immoral dipshit as president and in that situation the educated and informed electors would see that and overrule the will of the people. Also because since they couldn't give negroes the right to vote, they could count them as 3/5th of a person, counting towards their electors for the southern states while not giving the black person any rights at all. Thus even-ing out the population differences between North and South.

Now, finally, black people can vote, and now we have all the information in the world in our pockets on little super computers, access to education to boot, and you now have nearly half the population, a huge chunk of them indeed in more rural outposts, being ignorant of reality and electing demagogue populist immoral dipshits anyways.

You can't make this shit up, it writes itself.

 

[nickqt]

Well removing the EC is a separate issue. Personally I'm not a fan of it.
I think it would be easy enough to just change the system though.
Not removing anything, nor creating, just a slight modification.

Ignoring all that though, I'm just curious if anything would be different in this election.
I recall looking at this before, and Obama for example would have lost his second term.

Whatever system would have resulted in Obama losing in 2012 sounds like a worse system than the EC. He won the popular vote by 5 Million and had 51% of the vote.

Just ditch the EC and go to straight whichever candidate has the most votes wins is the easiest and fairest system, full stop.

 

[Starbuck1975]

There is also the military absentee ballots to consider, which are still in play for NV, NC and PA, as some may not even be delivered yet

 

[soulcougher73]

Well removing the EC is a separate issue. Personally I'm not a fan of it.
I think it would be easy enough to just change the system though.
Not removing anything, nor creating, just a slight modification.

Ignoring all that though, I'm just curious if anything would be different in this election.
I recall looking at this before, and Obama for example would have lost his second term.

Well another bad side effect of the EC is that it dissuades voters depending where they live. For example i live in KS, but vote Dem. Its basically meaningless for the president. As would a CA republican voter be. I think more people would show up to the polls if your vote was equal no matter where you happened to reside. After all this is for the President of the United States, not just a state. Im against anything that would give someone any pause to not vote. So to me the EC has to go.

 

[desy]

I had this argument with my mother once. she liked the fact a vote here carries more weight than a vote in more populous areas.
Really is that democracy where one person has more sway than another? I get why you feel like you need more representation because your issues aren't heard but people who live elsewhere have issues too. Voting isn't about geography its about people. The fact the center of the continent has moved to the coasts is because that's where people WANT to live.
You look at cities even in red states they vote democratic, its the rural clinging to the past population that votes conservative.
Its not realley about red state vs blue, its rural vs urban

 

[JEDI]

biden has a 8k lead as of last nite.
nv is supposed to update results around noon.

edit:
cbs now reports 1pm :
"Election officials in Clark County, Nevada, are giving an update Thursday at 10 a.m. local time (1 p.m. ET) on voting results "

 

[sactoking]

Nevada's been updated. Biden lead a bit larger but if estimates of voted uncounted are true it's over. Washoe, swing county about 50-50 R-D, is pretty much fully counted. Rurals, collectively about 80-20 R-D, are pretty much fully counted. Clark, where Las Vegas is and about 35-65 R-D, has tens of thousands still to count.

 

[Zorba]

if you do this you may as well abandon the EC in favor of popular vote, since it would have the same outcome.

It'd still have a massive red state bias to it.

Popular vote or bust, everything else is at best a bandaid or at worse makes things worse.

 

[akenbennu]

[/QUOTE]

Well another bad side effect of the EC is that it dissuades voters depending where they live. For example i live in KS, but vote Dem. Its basically meaningless for the president. As would a CA republican voter be. I think more people would show up to the polls if your vote was equal no matter where you happened to reside. After all this is for the President of the United States, not just a state. Im against anything that would give someone any pause to not vote. So to me the EC has to go.

I'd be in favor of keeping the EC, provided all the states split the votes by population and it wasn't a winner take all system. I'm in KY and my vote is next to meaningless in Presidential elections.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I had this argument with my mother once. she liked the fact a vote here carries more weight than a vote in more populous areas.
Really is that democracy where one person has more sway than another? I get why you feel like you need more representation because your issues aren't heard but people who live elsewhere have issues too. Voting isn't about geography its about people. The fact the center of the continent has moved to the coasts is because that's where people WANT to live.
You look at cities even in red states they vote democratic, its the rural clinging to the past population that votes conservative.
Its not realley about red state vs blue, its rural vs urban

does your Mom enjoy getting buried in ads, mailers and door knocks?
In non swing State I get some mailers and occasional ads. Maybe one door knock each election cycle.

 

[Sonikku]

If he takes Nevada but loses the rest then he's at 270. Good, right? Except even a single faithless elector would mean a disaster in this scenario. And there were more than one in the last election.

 

[|JosephB17331|]

I'd be in favor of keeping the EC, provided all the states split the votes by population and it wasn't a winner take all system. I'm in KY and my vote is next to meaningless in Presidential elections.
[/QUOTE]

I agree.. the EC has it's place.. it just needs tweaked..

Outside of the slavery 3/5 issue.. i see the EC as preventing the "mob rule".. where the same ruling class in California/New York would control the outcome, each and every election. That still would result in the same issue.. large percentage of the country's vote wouldn't mean squat

 

[hal2kilo]

My book says Nevada's a done deal. Oh yea, for Biden.

 

[allisolm]

biden has a 8k lead as of last nite.
nv is supposed to update results around noon.

edit:
cbs now reports 1pm :
"Election officials in Clark County, Nevada, are giving an update Thursday at 10 a.m. local time (1 p.m. ET) on voting results "

Biden lead in NV as of 1:02PM ET 11438.

 

[hal2kilo]

My book says Nevada's a done deal. Oh yea, for Biden.

I withdraw my prediction. Ridiculously run Nevada election precludes anything definite until after the weekend and the mail in ballets fucking arrive.