So my dad has a job for me... *Update: I'll be using Navision*

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: BatmanNate

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: minendo
Why bother going back to college (if you can keep that job)?

Oh I dunno, maybe he actually wants to increase his mind and grow as a person rather than be a base money grubbing social climber? Just a thought

No one goes to college for that. You can teach yourself pretty much anything under the sun if you really want to learn, especially with the advent of the internet. College is there so you can get a piece of paper saying your worth X amount of dollars if you work under somebody else.

I absolutely disagree. I went to college for that, my friends all (except for two) went to college for general knowledge and self improvement. Only two people I know got a degree looking towards a career field AND actually work within that field. Society WANTS us to be that way, to go to college to get that paper, but that's a societal expectation and not the original intent of colleges. Furthermore, no where in our society today is that paper worth the paper it's printed on any longer...which is why there are more and more people with Master's flipping burgers.

The internet and other forms of self study are fabulous, but they can not replace a dedicated well rounded college experience. There is a necessity of feedback, group participation, critiquing, expanding boundaries, discussion, and many more aspects besides. At least, if you go to college for that it's there. I know now many programs lack much of that and are merely career training, completely missing the point of education. Oh well.

 

[poopaskoopa]

Originally posted by: cpals

Originally posted by: leung324
hire me too?

 

[adlep]

Good luck, at least you wont get fired...

 

[ATLien247]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

I absolutely disagree. I went to college for that, my friends all (except for two) went to college for general knowledge and self improvement. Only two people I know got a degree looking towards a career field AND actually work within that field. Society WANTS us to be that way, to go to college to get that paper, but that's a societal expectation and not the original intent of colleges. Furthermore, no where in our society today is that paper worth the paper it's printed on any longer...which is why there are more and more people with Master's flipping burgers.

The internet and other forms of self study are fabulous, but they can not replace a dedicated well rounded college experience. There is a necessity of feedback, group participation, critiquing, expanding boundaries, discussion, and many more aspects besides. At least, if you go to college for that it's there. I know now many programs lack much of that and are merely career training, completely missing the point of education. Oh well.

All of those aspects that you listed that can be learned in college can also be learned with equal amounts of on-the-job experience. Except you're getting paid to learn instead of the other way around...

 

[KEV1N]

Originally posted by: BatmanNate

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: minendo
Why bother going back to college (if you can keep that job)?

Oh I dunno, maybe he actually wants to increase his mind and grow as a person rather than be a base money grubbing social climber? Just a thought

No one goes to college for that. You can teach yourself pretty much anything under the sun if you really want to learn, especially with the advent of the internet. College is there so you can get a piece of paper saying your worth X amount of dollars if you work under somebody else.

Ohhh man, I hope you're being sarcastic there. The core knowledge and skills can be self taught if you have some direction and some idea of what it is you want to learn. This is true, though you may be missing out on general, mind-opening education. However, the social growth that one goes through in college is incredible. You have these snot-nosed freshman turning into actual semblances of adults in the matter of four years (with some exceptions). This social maturation is what I believe to be the true focus of college. Yeah, you learn how to program computers or titrate solutions, but what's important is that you learn to deal with other people. I hate to generalize but the people with the anti-college attitude in my home town haven't changed one bit since high school. Which is not a good thing.

 

[OREOSpeedwagon]

Originally posted by: MeanMeosh

Originally posted by: sygyzy
You are either getting incredibly hooked up or you must be some boy genius. I would say a little bit of both but I am leaning towards the former. I don't think any kid is worth $50 an hour.

olsen twins

DING DING!

 

[Cyberian]

Originally posted by: KEV1N

However, the social growth that one goes through in college is incredible. You have these snot-nosed freshman turning into actual semblances of adults in the matter of four years (with some exceptions). This social maturation is what I believe to be the true focus of college. Yeah, you learn how to program computers or titrate solutions, but what's important is that you learn to deal with other people. I hate to generalize but the people with the anti-college attitude in my home town haven't changed one bit since high school. Which is not a good thing.

A great deal of this (minus programming and titrating) goes on in the military, too.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: sygyzy
You are either getting incredibly hooked up or you must be some boy genius. I would say a little bit of both but I am leaning towards the former. I don't think any kid is worth $50 an hour.

It's not what the person is worth, it's what the position is worth.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: ATLien247

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

I absolutely disagree. I went to college for that, my friends all (except for two) went to college for general knowledge and self improvement. Only two people I know got a degree looking towards a career field AND actually work within that field. Society WANTS us to be that way, to go to college to get that paper, but that's a societal expectation and not the original intent of colleges. Furthermore, no where in our society today is that paper worth the paper it's printed on any longer...which is why there are more and more people with Master's flipping burgers.

The internet and other forms of self study are fabulous, but they can not replace a dedicated well rounded college experience. There is a necessity of feedback, group participation, critiquing, expanding boundaries, discussion, and many more aspects besides. At least, if you go to college for that it's there. I know now many programs lack much of that and are merely career training, completely missing the point of education. Oh well.

All of those aspects that you listed that can be learned in college can also be learned with equal amounts of on-the-job experience. Except you're getting paid to learn instead of the other way around...

yea, if all you care about learning is work-related material. what if you want to study classical languages? history? english?

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: BigToque
New insight on whats actually happening...

The people I'm working with are contractors designing the system my dads company is going to be using.

My dad is paying this company to teach me how to use the system they are designing. When my dad returns from the business trip he is on, he is going to ask them if I know how to use the system well enough. They are contractors and will give an honest opinion (there is no reason not to). My dad wants me to learn the system, then work for him if I can use the system.

The other part of this equation is that this company is also looking for people to design the system and install it around the world. If they think that I know my stuff, they might keep me on there as well.

It makes a lot more sense to me now...

Cliff Notes: If I can learn some stuff, I have a chance at 2 possible jobs. I am happy.

That's excellent. You don't seem to be intimidated at all and that's exactly the way you want to be; ready for anything. Good Luck.

 

[BigToquex]

The system that I'll be learning to use is called Navision and was bought by Microsoft.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: BigToque

BigToque - have you ever worked for your dad before? Do you two get along?

I have never worked with my dad before. We don't have a very close relationship, but there is no tension or anything between us. My dad knows I'm really smart and is giving me an opportunity. If it doesnt pan out, no big deal. What I'm doing is working for some company (or some branch of the company that he works for), that is getting this system ready for clients or something like that. My dad lives in another province (its the only place he could find work), and he will check back to these people I'll be working with and wants them to give him an honest opinion of my work. If I can do it, keep me, if not, he'll go somewhere else. I won't feel bad if I can't do this because I know that I have no experience with it. (I very seriously hope that these people will give an honest opinion about me. I dont want them to say "yea he's great" only because they are working under my dad)

OOh, so it's Canadian money. What's that, $5 American?

<FONT color=#bc0a17>1</FONT><FONT color=#153168> US Dollar = </FONT><FONT color=#bc0a17>1.36010</FONT><FONT color=#153168> Canadian Dollar <!-- conversion result ends -->
</FONT>1 Canadian Dollar (CAD) = 0.73524 US Dollar (USD)

 

[Howard]

Good luck!

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: BigToque

BigToque - have you ever worked for your dad before? Do you two get along?

I have never worked with my dad before. We don't have a very close relationship, but there is no tension or anything between us. My dad knows I'm really smart and is giving me an opportunity. If it doesnt pan out, no big deal. What I'm doing is working for some company (or some branch of the company that he works for), that is getting this system ready for clients or something like that. My dad lives in another province (its the only place he could find work), and he will check back to these people I'll be working with and wants them to give him an honest opinion of my work. If I can do it, keep me, if not, he'll go somewhere else. I won't feel bad if I can't do this because I know that I have no experience with it. (I very seriously hope that these people will give an honest opinion about me. I dont want them to say "yea he's great" only because they are working under my dad)

OOh, so it's Canadian money. What's that, $5 American?

<STRONG><FONT color=#bc0a17>1</FONT><FONT color=#153168> US Dollar = </FONT><FONT color=#bc0a17>1.36010</FONT><FONT color=#153168> Canadian Dollar <!-- conversion result ends -->
</FONT></STRONG>1 Canadian Dollar (CAD) = 0.73524 US Dollar (USD)

Wow, was only 0.69xxx last time I checked.