So much for "smarter diplomacy"

[XMan]

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Funny, I thought Bush was the one that couldn't get along with people. Some of the stories out of Russia are about as bad. Putin must not have respect for hope and change.

 

[miketheidiot]

i might be wrong, but this seems alot like tabloids trying to make something out of nothing.

 

[chess9]

Originally posted by: XMan
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Funny, I thought Bush was the one that couldn't get along with people. Some of the stories out of Russia are about as bad. Putin must not have respect for hope and change.

Hmm....The Daily Mail and the Telegraph are two very conservative papers. (btw, I am close friends with one of the author's mother! I almost fell out of my chair reading his byline.) They aren't pro-Obama rags at all, so this stuff is nothing really. And the Daily Mail is often one of the shrillist shills for the right wing in England. The Telegraph is usually rationally right wing, if that's possible.

On the other hand, on many issues, Obama and Brown might well be at odds. I suspect Obama is politically where Blair was 10 years ago. Brown has always been a fairly conservative Labourite.

At any rate, I think Brown and Blair and Bush should all be hanged together. Preferably on lampposts in Baghdad.

-Robert

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
i might be wrong, but this seems alot like tabloids trying to make something out of nothing.

My impression as well.

 

[Balt]

All of your links are to trashy Brit tabloids.

Try harder, please.

 

[theeedude]

Gordon Brown is an idiot. He's the guy who sold more than half of UK's gold for princely sum of $275/oz
Now he is trying to play all buddy buddy with Obama lobbying for a New New Deal where US will bail out UK too good to see Obama put him in his place.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: XMan


Funny, I thought Bush was the one that couldn't get along with people.

You thought right. This is nothing but El Rushbo Bullshit that his loyal followers like you are regurgitating.

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: XMan


Funny, I thought Bush was the one that couldn't get along with people.

You thought right. This is nothing but El Rushbo Bullshit that his loyal followers like you are regurgitating.

Sirius Channel 124 24/7, Mike.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: XMan

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: XMan


Funny, I thought Bush was the one that couldn't get along with people.

You thought right. This is nothing but El Rushbo Bullshit that his loyal followers like you are regurgitating.

Sirius Channel 124 24/7, Mike.

:laugh: Getting my Exmen/Xmen confused.

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: chess9

Originally posted by: XMan
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Funny, I thought Bush was the one that couldn't get along with people. Some of the stories out of Russia are about as bad. Putin must not have respect for hope and change.

Hmm....The Daily Mail and the Telegraph are two very conservative papers. (btw, I am close friends with one of the author's mother! I almost fell out of my chair reading his byline.) They aren't pro-Obama rags at all, so this stuff is nothing really. And the Daily Mail is often one of the shrillist shills for the right wing in England. The Telegraph is usually rationally right wing, if that's possible.

On the other hand, on many issues, Obama and Brown might well be at odds. I suspect Obama is politically where Blair was 10 years ago. Brown has always been a fairly conservative Labourite.

At any rate, I think Brown and Blair and Bush should all be hanged together. Preferably on lampposts in Baghdad.

-Robert

DAILY MAIL IN CONSERVATIVE??? What planet are you from?
DM is NOT conservative this has been proven time and again. Anybody that frequents their site knows they are not conservative. You've got to be trolling.

I swear you people will do anything to justify your leaders' actions.

Besides, simply saying the source is a conservative newspaper (even if it were), does nothing to discount the facts presented. Typical failure at reasoning.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Obama should completely sever relations with the British. That country is the most despicable nation that has ever existed on the planet.

 

[Mani]

DM and the Telegraph are pure trash. The telegraph especially has made no secret of the fact that they are vehemently anti-Obama. Not exactly credible sources.

 

[Aberforth]

Originally posted by: Mani
DM and the Telegraph are pure trash. The telegraph especially has made no secret of the fact that they are vehemently anti-Obama. Not exactly credible sources.

That's true, telegraph hates Obama....I dunno why.

 

[chess9]

Originally posted by: Aberforth

Originally posted by: Mani
DM and the Telegraph are pure trash. The telegraph especially has made no secret of the fact that they are vehemently anti-Obama. Not exactly credible sources.

That's true, telegraph hates Obama....I dunno why.

It's run by Tory sympathizers. It's economics/business writer is very conservative.

As for the Daily Mail not being conservative, uhm, well, one of the lead writers also writes for the Spectator, and they were cooing over McCain on their editorial pages. I admit I read them rarely these days, so it's possible they've toned down their rhetoric. But, yes, calling them conservative might not be as accurate as calling them trash. Oh, and I found this about how conservative the Daily Mail is: http://www.conservapedia.com/Daily_Mail

-Robert

 

[chess9]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Obama should completely sever relations with the British. That country is the most despicable nation that has ever existed on the planet.

LOL! Many Brits would agree with you. I've been wanting to go and stay as a Permanent Alien Resident in England, but I'd have to put most of my money into a bank there, so I haven't done that yet. (I'm still thinking on it.) BUT, when I tell my English friends about this cockamamy idea, they say: "And you want to move to England exactly why?"

One of the reasons the English have so much governmental secrecy is because between the three major parties, any of them would cut the throats of the other party if in power. Of course, the House of Lords is a cesspool of lobbying money, privilege to excess, and downright bribery. And Ministers are like mini-kings, barely held accountable until they are ousted by elections.

Here's a story in the Guardian about the prison systems in England and the USA. Read it and be glad you aren't in the UK.
http://www.monbiot.com/archive...the-proceeds-of-crime/

-Robert

 

[FerrelGeek]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Obama should completely sever relations with the British. That country is the most despicable nation that has ever existed on the planet.

Oh yes, because countries like Iran, Rwanda, Sudan, Somalia, Zimbabwe, Russia, and China are on such a higher plain of moral superiority to England. No, England is by no means perfect, but give me a break. There are certain public courtasies that you extend the leaders of foreign countries when they come to visit. It may be old fashioned and offend modern liberal sesibilites, but that's the way it's done. How would the Obamaphiles feel if the roles were reversed and Brown dissed Obama. This kinda stuff may be trite, but it doesn't help 'improve our standing and respect with the rest of the world' like Obama promissed he would do.

 

[Thump553]

Despite making a huge mountain out of a molehill (tenative joint press conference canceled because of the blizzard), perhaps the OP is correct and this IS "smarter diplomacy." Gordon Brown came over here to pump up his personal reputation by tying himself to Obama. Perhaps this is something Obama doesn't particualry want, that he would rather deal with Brown's probable sucessor than continue the Bush/Blair/Brown alliance.

Brown got the very rare privilege of an address to the joint houses of Congress, as well as much of a day with Obama, both of which gives Obama plasible deniability as to any slight.

Big league diplomacy is far more nuanced than the OP seems to understand.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Balt
All of your links are to trashy Brit tabloids.

Try harder, please.

Brit tabloids make US ones look like pultizer-prize winning journalistic mastery by comparison.

 

[piasabird]

Woo Hoo! Obamma out snubs the British!

 

[chess9]

Originally posted by: FerrelGeek

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Obama should completely sever relations with the British. That country is the most despicable nation that has ever existed on the planet.

Oh yes, because countries like Iran, Rwanda, Sudan, Somalia, Zimbabwe, Russia, and China are on such a higher plain of moral superiority to England. No, England is by no means perfect, but give me a break. There are certain public courtasies that you extend the leaders of foreign countries when they come to visit. It may be old fashioned and offend modern liberal sesibilites, but that's the way it's done. How would the Obamaphiles feel if the roles were reversed and Brown dissed Obama. This kinda stuff may be trite, but it doesn't help 'improve our standing and respect with the rest of the world' like Obama promissed he would do.

Yes, the English really are wonderful people for the most part.

I wouldn't think there was any need or desire to snub Brown. Brown obviously didn't feel snubbed as he all but kissed the hem of Obama's gown in his speech before Congress.

-Robert

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: XMan
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Funny, I thought Bush was the one that couldn't get along with people. Some of the stories out of Russia are about as bad. Putin must not have respect for hope and change.

snow storm its just proof Obamas Global enviromental policies are having an effect already.
RE: snub? meh he's a big boy, he'll get over it.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: XMan

Topic Title: So much for "smarter diplomacy"
Topic Summary: Obama admin's treatment insults British PM

The headline of the article at your first link says:

Barack Obama cancels press conference with Gordon Brown "because of snow"

OMFGWTFLMFAOPIMPBBQ!!! Call the WAHmbulance! :Q

Nothing in that story or at any of your other links says anything about any "insult." :roll:

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: FerrelGeek

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Obama should completely sever relations with the British. That country is the most despicable nation that has ever existed on the planet.

Oh yes, because countries like Iran, Rwanda, Sudan, Somalia, Zimbabwe, Russia, and China are on such a higher plain of moral superiority to England. No, England is by no means perfect, but give me a break. There are certain public courtasies that you extend the leaders of foreign countries when they come to visit. It may be old fashioned and offend modern liberal sesibilites, but that's the way it's done. How would the Obamaphiles feel if the roles were reversed and Brown dissed Obama. This kinda stuff may be trite, but it doesn't help 'improve our standing and respect with the rest of the world' like Obama promissed he would do.

Yes, those countries are on a higher plain of superiority. The British Empire was a monstrous entity which slaughtered more people than any other evil force in the world. HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WERE SLAUGHTERED FOR BRITISH MATERIALISM. Stop denying a holocaust.

And you know what? History is coming back to bite them. The British tortured Obama's grandfather. He has no love for such a sick government. This is the president who will redefine American foreign relations for a new century.

they would sometimes squeeze his testicles with parallel metallic rods. They also pierced his nails and buttocks with a sharp pin, with his hands and legs tied together with his head facing down

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Wow, sounds like real hospitable treatment for the President's family.

 

[oogabooga]

Originally posted by: chess9

Yes, the English really are wonderful people for the most part.

I wouldn't think there was any need or desire to snub Brown. Brown obviously didn't feel snubbed as he all but kissed the hem of Obama's gown in his speech before Congress.

-Robert

I'd believe the rag mags before listening to the words of the man. And the verdict of the paper(s) is clear : BROWN WAS SNUBBED!