So Landis was tested 8 times during the tour.

[HeroOfPellinor]

He was tested 4 times before stage 17 and 3 times after and only the one sample was positive.

Does this not sound kind of suspicious.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
He was tested 4 times before stage 17 and 3 times after and only the one sample was positive.

Does this not sound kind of suspicious.

Implying what, exactly?

I love Floyd, and I wouldn't be surprised if he ultimately prevails (apparently everyone who has challenged the testosterone-epitestosterone test has had their sanction reversed), but I tend to believe he cheated.

 

[theknight571]

Weren't two samples positive?

Still strange though... unless he just needed "help" near the end.

 

[Queasy]

Well, to be fair, the test that came back positive was the one after the stage where posted his 'miraculous' comeback. That kind of sounds suspicious too.

 

[ElFenix]

depends on how fast the levels drop, i guess.

 

[krotchy]

im more inclined to believe a jealous competitor spiked his drink than he knowingly took something. Youd have to be retarded to think you can get away with it these days.

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
He was tested 4 times before stage 17 and 3 times after and only the one sample was positive.

Does this not sound kind of suspicious.

Yes it does. CNN has a front page video interview with Landis today.
Watch it please.


...Galvanized

 

[zendari]

Even if he is cleared, his reputation is shot and people will always question his title.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: krotchy
im more inclined to believe a jealous competitor spiked his drink than he knowingly took something. Youd have to be retarded to think you can get away with it these days.

That doesn't stop essentially the entire pro peloton from trying, hence the fact that the two favorites were barred from the race this year.

I don't think the jealous-competitor theory makes any sense at all. The day before he was tested, he had dropped several minutes out of the yellow jersey, and it seemed wildly unlikely he could possibly claw back into contention. Moreover, I think the teams are fairly vigilant about what the athletes eat and drink for this very reason. Is it even possible to orally administer testosterone anyway?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: zendari
Even if he is cleared, his reputation is shot and people will always question his title.

On that, you and I can agree.

 

[Gravity]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: krotchy
im more inclined to believe a jealous competitor spiked his drink than he knowingly took something. Youd have to be retarded to think you can get away with it these days.

That doesn't stop essentially the entire pro peloton from trying, hence the fact that the two favorites were barred from the race this year.

I don't think the jealous-competitor theory makes any sense at all. The day before he was tested, he had dropped several minutes out of the yellow jersey, and it seemed wildly unlikely he could possibly claw back into contention. Moreover, I think the teams are fairly vigilant about what the athletes eat and drink for this very reason. Is it even possible to orally administer testosterone anyway?

I don't think you can put testosterone in a drink and have it get into your system. I think the type and level of test he had could only be obtained by injection. Either injecting some blood units or some actual steroid.

I love floyd, don't get me wrong, but something is rotten in Denmark.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: krotchy
im more inclined to believe a jealous competitor spiked his drink than he knowingly took something. Youd have to be retarded to think you can get away with it these days.

That doesn't stop essentially the entire pro peloton from trying, hence the fact that the two favorites were barred from the race this year.

I don't think the jealous-competitor theory makes any sense at all. The day before he was tested, he had dropped several minutes out of the yellow jersey, and it seemed wildly unlikely he could possibly claw back into contention. Moreover, I think the teams are fairly vigilant about what the athletes eat and drink for this very reason. Is it even possible to orally administer testosterone anyway?

Yeah, someone spiking his drink is unlikely I think. Someone messing with the sample after the tour would be more likely, but I would hope there are safeguards to prevent that. I'd like to think that he didn't cheat. Maybe if he volunteered to take a polygraph test people would believe him. But it's possible to fail a polygraph when you're telling the truth, and that would be disastrous for him.

 

[FrustratedUser]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: krotchy
im more inclined to believe a jealous competitor spiked his drink than he knowingly took something. Youd have to be retarded to think you can get away with it these days.

That doesn't stop essentially the entire pro peloton from trying, hence the fact that the two favorites were barred from the race this year.

I don't think the jealous-competitor theory makes any sense at all. The day before he was tested, he had dropped several minutes out of the yellow jersey, and it seemed wildly unlikely he could possibly claw back into contention. Moreover, I think the teams are fairly vigilant about what the athletes eat and drink for this very reason. Is it even possible to orally administer testosterone anyway?

Yeah, someone spiking his drink is unlikely I think. Someone messing with the sample after the tour would be more likely, but I would hope there are safeguards to prevent that. I'd like to think that he didn't cheat. Maybe if he volunteered to take a polygraph test people would believe him. But it's possible to fail a polygraph when you're telling the truth, and that would be disastrous for him.

The samples are anonymous, i.e it's not a can of piss labeled 'Landis' that gets sent to the lab.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: mugs

Yeah, someone spiking his drink is unlikely I think. Someone messing with the sample after the tour would be more likely, but I would hope there are safeguards to prevent that. I'd like to think that he didn't cheat. Maybe if he volunteered to take a polygraph test people would believe him. But it's possible to fail a polygraph when you're telling the truth, and that would be disastrous for him.

What he MIGHT do is hire his own polygrapher through his attorneys, and release the results if they're favorable - otherwise they're protected by the attorney-client privilege. More likely he will just litigate the result - again, it's my understanding that the testosterone-epitestosterone test results have been overruled every time they have been challenged by a competitor.

 

[TallBill]

Whatever, I fail to care about him.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser

The samples are anonymous, i.e it's not a can of piss labeled 'Landis' that gets sent to the lab.

That alone wouldn't NECESSARILY rule out tampering - it's possible a corrupt lab employee or sample custodian could compromise this anonymity. That doesn't make it likely, of course . . .

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: TallBill
Whatever, I fail to care about him.

Then I in turn fail to see why you'd bother posting in this thread.

 

[DaShen]

More than likely he doped, end of story.

Oh well.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: TallBill
Whatever, I fail to care about him.

Then I in turn fail to see why you'd bother posting in this thread.

Up his post count?




Ausm

 

[Fenixgoon]

would artificial testosterone act that quickly, though? i would imagine it'd take a while for it to ramp up your body's muscle production to make that much a difference.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
would artificial testosterone act that quickly, though? i would imagine it'd take a while for it to ramp up your body's muscle production to make that much a difference.

One doctor says it acts very quickly. I have no idea how reputable he is, though. From EOG.com:

Tour de France Winner Landis Cheated With Drugs, Steroids, Suspended by Phenok, Lying About Beer

July 30, 2006

The German ARD television reported Friday night that Tour de France winner was well over the normal testosterone level when he was tested for steroids.

Landis' testosterone/epitestosterone co-efficient was 11-1, with the legal limit at 4-1.

According to ARD, the doping test proved that the testosterone was provided to Landis externally. This means that Landis is LYING when he claims that he didn't cheat.

He told a news conference held Friday, 'My physiological parameters for testosterone and epitestosterone are naturally high. Therefore, I would like to make it absolutely clear that this is not in any way a doping process.

"I declare convincingly and categorically that my winning of the Tour de France has been completely and exclusively due to my years of training and devotion to cycling," Landis said.

Ironically, he tested positive immediately after his sensational and spectacular come-back in Morzine on July 20. He gained back eight minutes on his competition that day. That ride, which was described as one of the greatest in the history of the tour, set Landis up to become the third American to win the tour after Greg LeMond and Lance Armstrong.

Dr Black, author of the book "Drug Testing in Sports,'' states,

"I have injected myself with testosterone in doing research, and I can tell you from personal experience that within hours, you feel a profound psychological change, a sense of well-being, aggression and energy," Black said.

"You feel strong and powerful. And your endurance is definitely improved. So, it's not peculiar to me that a cyclist would take testosterone after a bad day. What does seem peculiar is that an athlete of that caliber would put himself at such great risk, knowing that they test for testosterone."

When told that Landis claimed he had a beer after the race, he said,

"I'm very suspicious of that statement because I'd think alcohol would be forbidden, but we just don't know enough yet about this case," he said.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser

The samples are anonymous, i.e it's not a can of piss labeled 'Landis' that gets sent to the lab.

That alone wouldn't NECESSARILY rule out tampering - it's possible a corrupt lab employee or sample custodian could compromise this anonymity. That doesn't make it likely, of course . . .

Yeah, pretty much any safeguard they put in place could be circumvented in some way, it's just that the more safeguards there are the more people have to collude to bypass them.

I really don't know what to think... it seems highly unlikely that he's innocent, but there's a slight possibility that he is, and I'd hate to see a guy's career ruined over something he didn't do. I hope that if he didn't cheat he gets off, but I REALLY hope that if he cheated he does not get away with it. He may be the only one who knows for sure.

 

[Baked]

Are you the guy who thinks OJ's innocent too?

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: DonVito

"I'm very suspicious of that statement because I'd think alcohol would be forbidden, but we just don't know enough yet about this case," he said.

Yeah that always made me scratch my head... I don't think an athlete in the middle of the most gruelling sporting events in the world would drink beer. It makes no sense.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: mugs

Yeah that always made me scratch my head... I don't think an athlete in the middle of the most gruelling sporting events in the world would drink beer. It makes no sense.

I don't find THAT hard to believe - he presumably thought he'd lost the Tour that day. I find it a little odd that he claims he drank several shots of whiskey as well, though. I believe the doc is wrong that alcohol is "prohibited" during the Tour - I think it's common for the winning team to drink champagne the night before the final stage, and they always toast with champagne on the road during the last stage as well. I take it he means the teams themselves prohibit it, but again, under the circumstances Floyd was supposedly drinking, one could hardly blame him.