So, is there really a performance difference between 32bit and 16bit (hardware) in SimCity 4???

[0roo0roo]

i just installed it again, so no big city to test with

ddr is faster the pc133 though, thats for sure

 

[radioouman]

What?

The last 16 bit hardware that we used was the 386SX! The 386DX and 486 processors were 32 bit, and Pentium systems are 64 bit.

Are you comparing color depths? 32 bit color vs. 16 bit color? I would guess that 16 bit color would be a bit faster.

WTF does DDR vs. PC133 have to do with anything?

 

[Czar]

pentium systems are still 32bit

 

[UNCjigga]

Sega Genesis vs. NeoGeo???

 

[Budmantom]

Hammer=64bit

 

[dman]

IIRC, For some programs 16bit color mode can be slower than 32bit due to extra calculations for resampling the color shading. YMMV.

 

[Derango]

Sim City needs RAM. Lots of RAM.

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: Derango
Sim City needs RAM. Lots of RAM.

actually it doesn't check out your task manager while running it runs around 200mb consitentily but doesnt go up much, iuts the fvckin cpu that its pegging the $hit out off. we are gonna need 4ghz boxes to run this game.

i dont know what the hell thos $hitfvcks at maxis tested the game with but its painfully slow on really nice machines.

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: radioouman
What?

The last 16 bit hardware that we used was the 386SX! The 386DX and 486 processors were 32 bit, and Pentium systems are 64 bit.

Are you comparing color depths? 32 bit color vs. 16 bit color? I would guess that 16 bit color would be a bit faster.

WTF does DDR vs. PC133 have to do with anything?

current pentiums and amds are 32 bit not 64, the itanium and the new hammer will be 64 bit.

 

[0roo0roo]

u sure? seems everyone gets a performance boost going from 512-1gb when their cities hit over 100k.


and i meant rendering mode, not cpu bits

 

[Jadow]

The last 16 bit hardware that we used was the 386SX! The 386DX and 486 processors were 32 bit

LOL, the only difference between the 386SX and 386DX is that the DX has a math coprocessor. The Pentium Pro was the first real 32 bit processor, though older ones could fake it.

 

[psteng19]

Originally posted by: radioouman
What?

The last 16 bit hardware that we used was the 386SX! The 386DX and 486 processors were 32 bit, and Pentium systems are 64 bit.

Are you comparing color depths? 32 bit color vs. 16 bit color? I would guess that 16 bit color would be a bit faster.

WTF does DDR vs. PC133 have to do with anything?

to this entire post.

 

[manly]

Originally posted by: Jadow
The last 16 bit hardware that we used was the 386SX! The 386DX and 486 processors were 32 bit

LOL, the only difference between the 386SX and 386DX is that the DX has a math coprocessor. The Pentium Pro was the first real 32 bit processor, though older ones could fake it.

Wrong on both statements, pending an explanation of what "faking" 32-bit processing means.

 

[dethman]

Originally posted by: radioouman
What?

The last 16 bit hardware that we used was the 386SX! The 386DX and 486 processors were 32 bit, and Pentium systems are 64 bit.

Are you comparing color depths? 32 bit color vs. 16 bit color? I would guess that 16 bit color would be a bit faster.

WTF does DDR vs. PC133 have to do with anything?

lol wth are you talking about?

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

I thought 286 was the last 16 bit processor? 386 is when all of the 32 bit and protected mode stuff was added, at least from what I remember.

 

[Crimzon]

I haven't had any major slow downs on my system. Then again my cities haven't gotten that big yet. If there's a place to download pre built major cities, I'd like to check it out and see if there is a slow down later on. I'm only running 640 PC2700, P 2.4 512, Geforce4 Mx 420, on a 7400 rpm hdd.

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

Originally posted by: Crimzon
I haven't had any major slow downs on my system. Then again my cities haven't gotten that big yet. If there's a place to download pre built major cities, I'd like to check it out and see if there is a slow down later on. I'm only running 640 PC2700, P 2.4 512, Geforce4 Mx 420, on a 7400 rpm hdd.

"only" eh?

I think of my duron 1.3 / 256MB pc2100(@1600) / matrox g400 / 7200rpm machine as being "pretty damn fast" :Q

 

[Crimzon]

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey

Originally posted by: Crimzon
I haven't had any major slow downs on my system. Then again my cities haven't gotten that big yet. If there's a place to download pre built major cities, I'd like to check it out and see if there is a slow down later on. I'm only running 640 PC2700, P 2.4 512, Geforce4 Mx 420, on a 7400 rpm hdd.

"only" eh?

I think of my duron 1.3 / 256MB pc2100(@1600) / matrox g400 / 7200rpm machine as being "pretty damn fast" :Q

Haha. With all these tech guys on the forums, I thought everyone would have top of the line machines. And I suppose I meant 7200.

 

[manly]

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
I thought 286 was the last 16 bit processor? 386 is when all of the 32 bit and protected mode stuff was added, at least from what I remember.

IIRC, 386SX implemented a 32-bit instruction set, but its internal data bus was only 16 bits wide. It could run 32-bit software just fine, but slow relative to a full 32-bit CPU implementation.

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

Originally posted by: Crimzon

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey

Originally posted by: Crimzon
I haven't had any major slow downs on my system. Then again my cities haven't gotten that big yet. If there's a place to download pre built major cities, I'd like to check it out and see if there is a slow down later on. I'm only running 640 PC2700, P 2.4 512, Geforce4 Mx 420, on a 7400 rpm hdd.

"only" eh?

I think of my duron 1.3 / 256MB pc2100(@1600) / matrox g400 / 7200rpm machine as being "pretty damn fast" :Q

Haha. With all these tech guys on the forums, I thought everyone would have top of the line machines. And I suppose I meant 7200.

"tech guys" aren't necessarily rich, and aren't necessarily all that into fast hardware. I would much prefer to spend my money on nice monitor(s), more (slower/older) machines, networking stuff, or just non-computer related stuff in general. Buying the fastest hardware just seems like a waste of money to me. 1.3ghz duron for $35, why buy something twice the price for a 25% difference, or something 5x the price for a 2x difference, etc.

 

[Barnaby W. Füi]

Originally posted by: manly

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
I thought 286 was the last 16 bit processor? 386 is when all of the 32 bit and protected mode stuff was added, at least from what I remember.

IIRC, 386SX implemented a 32-bit instruction set, but its internal data bus was only 16 bits wide. It could run 32-bit software just fine, but slow relative to a full 32-bit CPU implementation.

Ah, well I would consider that 32 bit. As long as it functions 100% the same to the "outside world". Kinda like newer video cards have 128-bit color and whatnot internally, you still consider them just 32bit/24bit/etc. (hm, not that great of an analogy )

 

[manly]

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey

Originally posted by: manly

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey
I thought 286 was the last 16 bit processor? 386 is when all of the 32 bit and protected mode stuff was added, at least from what I remember.

IIRC, 386SX implemented a 32-bit instruction set, but its internal data bus was only 16 bits wide. It could run 32-bit software just fine, but slow relative to a full 32-bit CPU implementation.

Ah, well I would consider that 32 bit. As long as it functions 100% the same to the "outside world". Kinda like newer video cards have 128-bit color and whatnot internally, you still consider them just 32bit/24bit/etc. (hm, not that great of an analogy )

Yeah that's pretty logical, but Randall Hyde says in the Art of Assembly, on p. 139:

While there is a mild controversy concerning the size of a processor, most people now agree that the minimum of either the number of data lines on the processor or the size of the largest general purpose integer register determines the processor size.

[emphasis added]

By that definition, the 386SX would be a 16-bit CPU.

 

[Crimzon]

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey

Originally posted by: Crimzon

Originally posted by: BingBongWongFooey

Originally posted by: Crimzon
I haven't had any major slow downs on my system. Then again my cities haven't gotten that big yet. If there's a place to download pre built major cities, I'd like to check it out and see if there is a slow down later on. I'm only running 640 PC2700, P 2.4 512, Geforce4 Mx 420, on a 7400 rpm hdd.

"only" eh?

I think of my duron 1.3 / 256MB pc2100(@1600) / matrox g400 / 7200rpm machine as being "pretty damn fast" :Q

Haha. With all these tech guys on the forums, I thought everyone would have top of the line machines. And I suppose I meant 7200.

"tech guys" aren't necessarily rich, and aren't necessarily all that into fast hardware. I would much prefer to spend my money on nice monitor(s), more (slower/older) machines, networking stuff, or just non-computer related stuff in general. Buying the fastest hardware just seems like a waste of money to me. 1.3ghz duron for $35, why buy something twice the price for a 25% difference, or something 5x the price for a 2x difference, etc.

Well, see now I think you're trying to make it personal, hinting I have too much money to spend or am blindly buying the fastest stuff I can get my hands on. Tech guys just means people who like computers or other tech, if you're reading more into that... well that's you. Total I spent 650 on this system, after not buying a new computer for four years (laptop for college). I know for a fact a lot of people on this board bought the same exact computer as me, because it was the dell hot deal. All I did was buy more ram (512 for 100). Most of my money is spent on "non-computer related stuff".

 

[amnesiac]

I have a XP2000+ with 768MB ram and a radeon 8500 pro. SC4 still runs like sh1t on my machine. Maxis sucks at what they do.

 

[Crimzon]

SC4 has issues with Radeon cards amnesiac 2.0, that's the only reason.