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So, I'm Officially A Doctor of Chiropractic

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Yeah i fi was there I'd come by just for a visit. I'm sure there is something fucked up with me eits lol 😛

LMK if you are ever in SO CAL 😉
 
Originally posted by: magomago
Yeah i fi was there I'd come by just for a visit. I'm sure there is something fucked up with me eits lol 😛

LMK if you are ever in SO CAL 😉

haha i'll make sure to hit you up if i am
 
One thing to remember is there are many types of chiropractic schools (techniques). some good some bad.
My Chiro specializes in Orthogonal method. he helped eliminate some lower back pain I initially went to him for. I see him about every 3-6 months for a checkup.
He has many cool stories of helping people with things like high blood pressure (Harvard medical school did a blind study on it recently and said it showed success. I'll try to find the link), deafness, fibromyalgia. He does say that he doesn't tell people he can fix these problems, they come sometimes as a byproduct of getting the atlas and other vertebrae aligned and their nervous system functioning properly. he said it's nice when it also happens to help these other conditions.

The biggest thing he has helped me with was some pain in my elbow It was getting very hard to grip anything over a few pounds. it turned out to be some bones in my wrist that were out of place from fall I took where I caught myself from hitting the floor with my palms. I didn't feel anything wrong in my wrist but he was able to identify it and rotated my wrist in some way. I felt something release and the pain went away most of it immediately. the rest subsided over a few months as the nerves weren't irritated.

another time my left foot was hurting to the point I was limping. I asked him about it think that he only did backs and would tell me I was out of luck. He found my leg wasn't sitting in my ankle socket properly. he did an adjustment and I felt my leg get hot and tingly as something released. he explained the nerves were being pinched slightly causing the blood not to flow correctly and the nerve signals were screwed up. from telling him about it to him fixing me took about 5 minutes.

I work in the "regular" medical field. and I get flack all the time from co-workers and doctors I work with for anything alternative. The 2 hospitals I work at just love to give out pills like candy. My co-workers talk all the time about getting a M.D. to write a script for something they self diagnose.

EDIT: Good morning america report on High BP and orthogonal adjustment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gJoeRni4uU
 
Originally posted by: The_Dude8
hey eits,

i think i am developing CTS on my right wrist, will seeing a chiro helps relieve the pain?

Thanks

maybe, depends on the chiropractor and what the problem ends up being.
 
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: alchemize
So defend what you said. Post some peer-reviewed studies about those ailments you claimed Chiro can help?

uh, i already posted in response to your nonsense.

you also have to understand that getting studies for chiropractic is a relatively new thing and not much money goes into it because we don't use any pharmaceuticals. so we're not going to be in any jama or anything like that... our studies and peer-reviews are typically found in chiropractic, manipulative, and physiotherapy journals.
OK, so cite some articles from there. Let's just focus on ADHD for starters? I'm super curious how cracking somebody's back cures ADHD.

i already posted links. pay attention.

You posted Youtube, I didn't bother to look at those. Fire up a chiro, manipulative or physiotherapy journal study on ADHD and chiro treatment...
 
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
how do you graduate and not know it?

What a crock of shit. :laugh:

You can graduate from a chiropractic "school" and not know it because it's not a legitimate profession.

May as well call yourself a "Doctor of Voodoo", or "Doctor of Magic", or "Doctor of God".

It was founded by some dude in the 1890s. That should say enough.

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Tell that to my back and neck.
 
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: alchemize
So defend what you said. Post some peer-reviewed studies about those ailments you claimed Chiro can help?

uh, i already posted in response to your nonsense.

you also have to understand that getting studies for chiropractic is a relatively new thing and not much money goes into it because we don't use any pharmaceuticals. so we're not going to be in any jama or anything like that... our studies and peer-reviews are typically found in chiropractic, manipulative, and physiotherapy journals.
OK, so cite some articles from there. Let's just focus on ADHD for starters? I'm super curious how cracking somebody's back cures ADHD.

i already posted links. pay attention.

You posted Youtube, I didn't bother to look at those. Fire up a chiro, manipulative or physiotherapy journal study on ADHD and chiro treatment...

look through all the links i posted first. when you're done, come back.
 
Originally posted by: eits
apparently, i graduated on july 15th... i had no idea.

and i just got a job today being a clinician's assistant. woot!

today, life is good 🙂

Yup, you've graduated but you are not a license DC yet unless you've passed all your board exams.

My friend is a chiropractor and he has to pass 4 levels of National board licensure exams before being able to practice on his own.

The exams were administered during his 4 years of study with the last one before graduation.

Right now you are working under your employers license...meaning pay is small as oppose to practicing on your own...you have to start somewhere.

Good luck...hope you can open your own practice sooner and prosper.

 
Originally posted by: moks78
Originally posted by: eits
apparently, i graduated on july 15th... i had no idea.

and i just got a job today being a clinician's assistant. woot!

today, life is good 🙂

Yup, you've graduated but you are not a license DC yet unless you've passed all your board exams.

My friend is a chiropractor and he has to pass 4 levels of National board licensure exams before being able to practice on his own.

The exams were administered during his 4 years of study with the last one before graduation.

Right now you are working under your employers license...meaning pay is small as oppose to practicing on your own...you have to start somewhere.

Good luck...hope you can open your own practice sooner and prosper.

yup, i passed all my national board exams (including physiotherapy). i don't have my state license yet. working on that.

i don't want to go out on my own just yet... there's still the matter of learning the ropes and learning how to properly do your billing and coding stuff so you get paid and so you don't accidentally commit fraud. the guy i'm working under used to teach a bunch of billing and coding courses and seminars and helped write some of the stuff in a few chiropractic electronic documentation softwares. he knows how to document things so everything's oig compliant and you don't end up having to owe a ton of money in fines. one of his buddies did his own thing and he was paid a visit by the oig and now owed $850,000.
 
Originally posted by: JLee
Originally posted by: Eli
Perhaps I was a bit harsh. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for alternative medicine and viewpoints, but these people reek of bullshit. I agree with the idea that lifestyle changes and such can have a dramatic impact on your life.

I do not agree that cracking someones joints will make them more intelligent or fix their health problems, lol. Subluxation and associated nonsense has no basis in science or reality for that matter.

Funny how I went to my chiropractor with upper torso pain when running - and when I left, I could run fine again.

'splain plz.

You received physical therapy. Many chiroquacktors disguise their quackery by also giving legitimate physical therapy. There's no reason that manipulations of the joints couldn't help with joint problems, it's when they claim to cure ailments that are completely removed from the joints and muscles with spinal adjustments that the BS alarm goes off. I'm not going to bother with this thread beyond this post, because despite his profession and our posting history I actually like eits, but I'll just leave this here if anyone actually cares about my opinion (not likely).

Edit - do'h, forgot to add, congrats eits. :beer: Here's to a successful career.
 
Originally posted by: Codewiz
Originally posted by: JLee
Originally posted by: Codewiz
Originally posted by: JLee
Originally posted by: Codewiz
How about this. Lets eliminate the anecdotal evidence.....lets eliminate the personal stories. I mean because we all know about the placebo effect.

EITS or any other quack "doctor", how about you provide real peer reviewed studies that showed Chiropractic care cured any diseases or ailments beyond joint issues. I see you mention colic. Show me the study that supports claims such as this. High blood pressure, show me that chiropractic care is any different than massage for lowering it.

Joint issues are pretty damn important, IMHO. Maybe you've never not been able to move your head more than a few degrees due to excruciating pain...

I've only gone to one chiropractor, so maybe the vast majority of them are "quacks" as you claim. However, I have nothing but good things to say about mine..I probably go, on average, every couple of years.

It is one thing to claim it helps with joint issues. It is entirely something else to claim it cures real problems such as high blood pressure. Especially if you aren't going to provide peer reviewed scientific studies to backup your claims.

Not being able to turn your head isn't a "real problem"? Damn those unnecessary conveniences of the human body!

Talk about not being able to address the issue. I never stated joint problems aren't real. My point is simple. Claiming chiropractic care can cure real issues such as high blood pressure is disingenuous and not backed by any scientific studies.

Additionally there are few studies that show any long term benefit to real joint issues. Temporarily relief sure. Long term solutions, no.

The BP/Chiro study was published in nature. It seemed like a well constructed study.

The problem with healthcare professional is that everyone is convinced they're an expert. Present teh same patient to 5 specialists and you might get 5 different theories as to why the patient is feeling pain. The danger is when docs and chiros overreach and get too myopic in their speciality and think their method is the best, or more dangerous, only, solution to the patient's illness.

Overall there seems to be a lack of well conducted, high powered studies for what chiros do and that's a real shame since lots of people use them. But if a patient is feeling some kind of ambiguous musculoskeletal pain that doesnt seem to have a definite origin, I wouldn't hesistate to suggest he/she try out an experienced chiro.
 
Alright enough of the trolling, bashing, insulting and so on. This is a congratulatory thread. If you don't want to partake, fine.

STAY OUT.

Next post out of these defined boundaries goes on hiatus


esquared
Anandtech Senior Moderator
 
Originally posted by: esquared
Alright enough of the trolling, bashing, insulting and so on. This is a congratulatory thread. If you don't want to partake, fine.

STAY OUT.

Next post out of these defined boundaries goes on hiatus


esquared
Anandtech Senior Moderator

Now sir, you had me thinking that you decided to edit out your own comments and give yourself a warning.


 
grats eits

this post makes me think if ill have future back problems when i'm older....hope not..


(used to incorrectly lift weights)
 
Originally posted by: magomago
Originally posted by: esquared
Alright enough of the trolling, bashing, insulting and so on. This is a congratulatory thread. If you don't want to partake, fine.

STAY OUT.

Next post out of these defined boundaries goes on hiatus


esquared
Anandtech Senior Moderator

Now sir, you had me thinking that you decided to edit out your own comments and give yourself a warning.

No, I edited the post because I don't know how to spell.


esquared
Anandtech Senior Moderator
 
Hey eits, hope you didn't take any offense, and if you did I apologize. My wife swears by her chiro, and I was able to get some relief for some back problems, so I'm not a complete skeptic 🙂 A good friend of mine is a chiro and we play poker once a month together. We don't talk about work 😉

Congrats on your graduation...:thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: JLee
Originally posted by: Eli
Perhaps I was a bit harsh. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for alternative medicine and viewpoints, but these people reek of bullshit. I agree with the idea that lifestyle changes and such can have a dramatic impact on your life.

I do not agree that cracking someones joints will make them more intelligent or fix their health problems, lol. Subluxation and associated nonsense has no basis in science or reality for that matter.

Funny how I went to my chiropractor with upper torso pain when running - and when I left, I could run fine again.

'splain plz.

You received physical therapy. Many chiroquacktors disguise their quackery by also giving legitimate physical therapy. There's no reason that manipulations of the joints couldn't help with joint problems, it's when they claim to cure ailments that are completely removed from the joints and muscles with spinal adjustments that the BS alarm goes off. I'm not going to bother with this thread beyond this post, because despite his profession and our posting history I actually like eits, but I'll just leave this here if anyone actually cares about my opinion (not likely).

Edit - do'h, forgot to add, congrats eits. :beer: Here's to a successful career.

most chiropractors do NOT do physical therapy. they leave that to the physical therapists. however, there are some home exercises that a few chiropractors do advise their patients to do in order to improve core stability and whatnot.

chiropractic adjustments are not physical therapy... "things". they're chiropractic adjustments. they're specific to the malposition and made according to the fixation and/or desired end result.

there will always be critics of chiropractic, just like there will always be skeptics of medicine or acupuncture or car sales... but the truth of the matter is that, when done properly, chiropractic (not physical therapy) works and is incredibly helpful.

if you recall my thread about that old lady who i got to walk again from being in a wheelchair for, what, 3 years? i did no physical therapy with her... just low force chiropractic adjustments (cox flexion distraction and sot blocking... she has diabetes, osteopenia, and a history of stroke... i wouldn't go high velocity on her at all).
 
Originally posted by: Mo0o
Originally posted by: Codewiz
Originally posted by: JLee
Originally posted by: Codewiz
Originally posted by: JLee
Originally posted by: Codewiz
How about this. Lets eliminate the anecdotal evidence.....lets eliminate the personal stories. I mean because we all know about the placebo effect.

EITS or any other quack "doctor", how about you provide real peer reviewed studies that showed Chiropractic care cured any diseases or ailments beyond joint issues. I see you mention colic. Show me the study that supports claims such as this. High blood pressure, show me that chiropractic care is any different than massage for lowering it.

Joint issues are pretty damn important, IMHO. Maybe you've never not been able to move your head more than a few degrees due to excruciating pain...

I've only gone to one chiropractor, so maybe the vast majority of them are "quacks" as you claim. However, I have nothing but good things to say about mine..I probably go, on average, every couple of years.

It is one thing to claim it helps with joint issues. It is entirely something else to claim it cures real problems such as high blood pressure. Especially if you aren't going to provide peer reviewed scientific studies to backup your claims.

Not being able to turn your head isn't a "real problem"? Damn those unnecessary conveniences of the human body!

Talk about not being able to address the issue. I never stated joint problems aren't real. My point is simple. Claiming chiropractic care can cure real issues such as high blood pressure is disingenuous and not backed by any scientific studies.

Additionally there are few studies that show any long term benefit to real joint issues. Temporarily relief sure. Long term solutions, no.

The BP/Chiro study was published in nature. It seemed like a well constructed study.

The problem with healthcare professional is that everyone is convinced they're an expert. Present teh same patient to 5 specialists and you might get 5 different theories as to why the patient is feeling pain. The danger is when docs and chiros overreach and get too myopic in their speciality and think their method is the best, or more dangerous, only, solution to the patient's illness.

Overall there seems to be a lack of well conducted, high powered studies for what chiros do and that's a real shame since lots of people use them. But if a patient is feeling some kind of ambiguous musculoskeletal pain that doesnt seem to have a definite origin, I wouldn't hesistate to suggest he/she try out an experienced chiro.


it's because the fda funds medical research because the pharmaceutical companies have the fda by the balls and medical research means more medications and new opportunities for new medications (and new diseases). there's no money in chiropractic for pharmaceuticals, so why fund them? it'll be a long time before nih funds a ton of chiropractic studies as they do for medical studies.

that's why when you look up research on pubmed for chiropractic, you find that individual chiropractors and chiropractic clinics and chiropractic colleges are the ones doing pilot studies.

but, yes, i agree completely. there's a lack of good material out there and there needs to be more. but chiropractic is a relatively new form of health care and, as with all things, it takes a while for stuff to catch on and survive.
 
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