So, I'm Officially A Doctor of Chiropractic

[Eli]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Eli
Perhaps I was a bit harsh. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for alternative medicine and viewpoints, but these people reek of bullshit. I agree with the idea that lifestyle changes and such can have a dramatic impact on your life.

I do not agree that cracking someones joints will make them more intelligent or fix their health problems, lol. Subluxation and associated nonsense has no basis in science or reality for that matter.

i agree with you... adjustments won't make anyone smarter. i dunno where you got that idea.

however, there are some ailments and health problems that CAN be affected by adjustments, like colic, gerd, high blood pressure, adhd, fibromyalgia, rls, and a whole host of joint ailments and back pain.

can chiropractic "fix" everything? absolutely not. there's not a damn thing i could do for ulcerative colitis, abdominal aortic aneurysm, heart defects, a collapsed lung, brain tumors, bacterial skin infections, bipolar disorder, post-partum depression, etc. that's why there are other professions.

are there a lot of chiropractors out there that are frigging horrible people and horrible doctors? absolutely. they give the profession a bad name. just like how there are bad janitors out there who ruin the integrity of your profession. that doesn't mean that i think what you do is unnecessary and bullshit.

Now that was funny!!!

I didn't even catch that before. 😛

FWIW, I do quality control at a jewelry manufacturer. 😛

If what eits says is true, I'm beginning to think I've read too much into the true quacks out there. I believe there should be a balance. Just like I'm distrustful of doctors who push pills, I would be distrustful of a chiropractor that claims they can fix all of my problems with a flick of the wrist.

Like I said, it must have merits. I don't think that people who have gone to a chiropractor and have been fixed are lying; I wouldn't mind trying one out one day. I have problems with my arms going numb and such when I hold them above my head, or in certain positions. It would be cool to have that fixed, and I'm pretty sure they could do that.. where a doctor would probably prescribe surgery or some other invasive nonsense.

I would be open to going to a clinic that had both regular doctors and a practicing chiropractor. That would be interesting.

In short, looking at the world in black and white does nobody any favors. I'm open to it, I'm just skeptical - but that doesn't mean much, because I'm skeptical of regular doctors too. I'm not skeptical about science, but I am skeptical of the human condition. People are people, they are not perfect.

 

[Joemonkey]

I know I'm late to the party and this will probably not even be read by most, and I think I've even posted this in the past, but here's my story...

11 years ago I worked as a stocker in a liquor store. I never lifted correctly which ended up in some horrific back problems down the road. I went to physical therapy for 4 weeks, 3x a week, took pain pills, NSAIDs, and muscle relaxers during that time

Every now and then my back would flare up, I'd go to my MD, he'd prescribe pain killers, NSAIDs, and muscle relaxers, and within 1-2 weeks I'd be OK again

I realized after a while that my MD was simply making me not care about the pain until it half ass fixed itself by giving me pills to take for 2 weeks. I started doing some yoga and stretching stuff on the Wii Fit and it ended up feeling much better

I got a new job and we were packing to move and my back just couldn't take it any more and the lower right side just erupted in pain. I simply couldn't just quit moving, so on the recommendation of my brother in law I called a chiropractor. I had always been against chiropractice, thought it was BS, voodoo, watched Penn and Teller's Bullshit about chiropractors, etc. but I figured I would give it a shot

The chiropractor did an entire medical history, took x-rays in his office (no other doctor had mentioned taking x-rays of my back, ever) and the treatment was more of a physical therapy type thing than a "back cracking" session.

I went to him on a Thursday, told him that I was moving on Saturday, and he told me to come back on Friday.

After 2 sessions the guy seriously FIXED my back issues. He didn't give me any BS about "come back 3x a week for the next 10 weeks" he simply gave me 2 hours worth of physical therapy and 10 minutes worth of back adjusting on the table and, for lack of a better term, I was fixed!

I'm still wary about finding a new one.

eits you're in the St. Louis area? it may be worth my time to drive the 4 hours 🙂

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Congrats eits! I have a seriously screwed up spine* and have to see a chiropractor on a regular basis. He always makes me feel better!

* GP took an x-ray and said it was just "an inflamation". "Take some naproxen sodium for a few days" he says. I saw the x-ray the chiro took the next day and wanted to beat the shit out of the quack medical doctor. I had twisted a vertebrae which threw a rib out (would require surgery to fix). The pain was unbelievable, but with regular chiropractic visits it is tolerable (I'll go once every several weeks sometimes).

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: alchemize
So defend what you said. Post some peer-reviewed studies about those ailments you claimed Chiro can help?

uh, i already posted in response to your nonsense.

you also have to understand that getting studies for chiropractic is a relatively new thing and not much money goes into it because we don't use any pharmaceuticals. so we're not going to be in any jama or anything like that... our studies and peer-reviews are typically found in chiropractic, manipulative, and physiotherapy journals.

OK, so cite some articles from there. Let's just focus on ADHD for starters? I'm super curious how cracking somebody's back cures ADHD.

 

[Modular]

Congratulations.

 

[Sea Moose]

Originally posted by: magomago
http://s165.photobucket.com/al...mages/youGoGirl121.gif

what happened to her nose?

 

[Kyle]

Hey Eits- congrats on graduating- PM sent =)

 

[TruePaige]

Way to go man. Good job. 🙂

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: Chronoshock

Originally posted by: magomago
http://s165.photobucket.com/al...mages/youGoGirl121.gif

😕 where did her nose go

The blow ate it...

 

[moshquerade]

congrats eits. i hope you have a long, successful, and profitable career. 🙂

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Eli
Perhaps I was a bit harsh. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for alternative medicine and viewpoints, but these people reek of bullshit. I agree with the idea that lifestyle changes and such can have a dramatic impact on your life.

I do not agree that cracking someones joints will make them more intelligent or fix their health problems, lol. Subluxation and associated nonsense has no basis in science or reality for that matter.

i agree with you... adjustments won't make anyone smarter. i dunno where you got that idea.

however, there are some ailments and health problems that CAN be affected by adjustments, like colic, gerd, high blood pressure, adhd, fibromyalgia, rls, and a whole host of joint ailments and back pain.

can chiropractic "fix" everything? absolutely not. there's not a damn thing i could do for ulcerative colitis, abdominal aortic aneurysm, heart defects, a collapsed lung, brain tumors, bacterial skin infections, bipolar disorder, post-partum depression, etc. that's why there are other professions.

are there a lot of chiropractors out there that are frigging horrible people and horrible doctors? absolutely. they give the profession a bad name. just like how there are bad janitors out there who ruin the integrity of your profession. that doesn't mean that i think what you do is unnecessary and bullshit.

Now that was funny!!!

I didn't even catch that before. 😛

FWIW, I do quality control at a jewelry manufacturer. 😛

If what eits says is true, I'm beginning to think I've read too much into the true quacks out there. I believe there should be a balance. Just like I'm distrustful of doctors who push pills, I would be distrustful of a chiropractor that claims they can fix all of my problems with a flick of the wrist.

Like I said, it must have merits. I don't think that people who have gone to a chiropractor and have been fixed are lying; I wouldn't mind trying one out one day. I have problems with my arms going numb and such when I hold them above my head, or in certain positions. It would be cool to have that fixed, and I'm pretty sure they could do that.. where a doctor would probably prescribe surgery or some other invasive nonsense.

I would be open to going to a clinic that had both regular doctors and a practicing chiropractor. That would be interesting.

In short, looking at the world in black and white does nobody any favors. I'm open to it, I'm just skeptical - but that doesn't mean much, because I'm skeptical of regular doctors too. I'm not skeptical about science, but I am skeptical of the human condition. People are people, they are not perfect.

lol, you have tos (thoracic outlet syndrome)... you'll be fine in about a month of treatment. i've treated lots of people with it... people who not only have the numbness, but the full-on weakness in their grip that can't allow them to work.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: alchemize
So defend what you said. Post some peer-reviewed studies about those ailments you claimed Chiro can help?

uh, i already posted in response to your nonsense.

you also have to understand that getting studies for chiropractic is a relatively new thing and not much money goes into it because we don't use any pharmaceuticals. so we're not going to be in any jama or anything like that... our studies and peer-reviews are typically found in chiropractic, manipulative, and physiotherapy journals.

OK, so cite some articles from there. Let's just focus on ADHD for starters? I'm super curious how cracking somebody's back cures ADHD.

i already posted links. pay attention.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Eli
Perhaps I was a bit harsh. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for alternative medicine and viewpoints, but these people reek of bullshit. I agree with the idea that lifestyle changes and such can have a dramatic impact on your life.

I do not agree that cracking someones joints will make them more intelligent or fix their health problems, lol. Subluxation and associated nonsense has no basis in science or reality for that matter.

Funny how I went to my chiropractor with upper torso pain when running - and when I left, I could run fine again.

'splain plz.

 

[Codewiz]

How about this. Lets eliminate the anecdotal evidence.....lets eliminate the personal stories. I mean because we all know about the placebo effect.

EITS or any other quack "doctor", how about you provide real peer reviewed studies that showed Chiropractic care cured any diseases or ailments beyond joint issues. I see you mention colic. Show me the study that supports claims such as this. High blood pressure, show me that chiropractic care is any different than massage for lowering it.

 

[911paramedic]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
how do you graduate and not know it?

basically, i had an incomplete (which i knew). i was told that i would be graduating with the next graduating class because of it. so, i completed what i needed to while looking for a job. well, this morning, i went onto my campus email to check it and i got an email from the registrar saying that my official graduation date was the 15th and congrats and wanted to know if i was going to do my senior check-out now or wait to do it with the rest of this graduating class.

since my family and friends are coming to graduation, i told her i intended to graduate with the rest of the class and walk the stage during graduation. she said that'd be fine and that i needed to do my check-out with the rest of this graduating class.

then, later today, i got a phone call from a doctor with whom i interviewed for a position and was REALLY hoping to get and he said i got the job. i start on tuesday.

Q: What do you call the guy that graduates last in his Chiropractic class?
A: Dr.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Codewiz
How about this. Lets eliminate the anecdotal evidence.....lets eliminate the personal stories. I mean because we all know about the placebo effect.

EITS or any other quack "doctor", how about you provide real peer reviewed studies that showed Chiropractic care cured any diseases or ailments beyond joint issues. I see you mention colic. Show me the study that supports claims such as this. High blood pressure, show me that chiropractic care is any different than massage for lowering it.

Joint issues are pretty damn important, IMHO. Maybe you've never not been able to move your head more than a few degrees due to excruciating pain...

I've only gone to one chiropractor, so maybe the vast majority of them are "quacks" as you claim. However, I have nothing but good things to say about mine..I probably go, on average, every couple of years.

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Codewiz
How about this. Lets eliminate the anecdotal evidence.....lets eliminate the personal stories. I mean because we all know about the placebo effect.

EITS or any other quack "doctor", how about you provide real peer reviewed studies that showed Chiropractic care cured any diseases or ailments beyond joint issues. I see you mention colic. Show me the study that supports claims such as this. High blood pressure, show me that chiropractic care is any different than massage for lowering it.

Joint issues are pretty damn important, IMHO. Maybe you've never not been able to move your head more than a few degrees due to excruciating pain...

I've only gone to one chiropractor, so maybe the vast majority of them are "quacks" as you claim. However, I have nothing but good things to say about mine..I probably go, on average, every couple of years.

It is one thing to claim it helps with joint issues. It is entirely something else to claim it cures real problems such as high blood pressure. Especially if you aren't going to provide peer reviewed scientific studies to backup your claims.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Codewiz
How about this. Lets eliminate the anecdotal evidence.....lets eliminate the personal stories. I mean because we all know about the placebo effect.

EITS or any other quack "doctor", how about you provide real peer reviewed studies that showed Chiropractic care cured any diseases or ailments beyond joint issues. I see you mention colic. Show me the study that supports claims such as this. High blood pressure, show me that chiropractic care is any different than massage for lowering it.

Joint issues are pretty damn important, IMHO. Maybe you've never not been able to move your head more than a few degrees due to excruciating pain...

I've only gone to one chiropractor, so maybe the vast majority of them are "quacks" as you claim. However, I have nothing but good things to say about mine..I probably go, on average, every couple of years.

It is one thing to claim it helps with joint issues. It is entirely something else to claim it cures real problems such as high blood pressure. Especially if you aren't going to provide peer reviewed scientific studies to backup your claims.

Not being able to turn your head isn't a "real problem"? Damn those unnecessary conveniences of the human body!

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Codewiz
How about this. Lets eliminate the anecdotal evidence.....lets eliminate the personal stories. I mean because we all know about the placebo effect.

EITS or any other quack "doctor", how about you provide real peer reviewed studies that showed Chiropractic care cured any diseases or ailments beyond joint issues. I see you mention colic. Show me the study that supports claims such as this. High blood pressure, show me that chiropractic care is any different than massage for lowering it.

Joint issues are pretty damn important, IMHO. Maybe you've never not been able to move your head more than a few degrees due to excruciating pain...

I've only gone to one chiropractor, so maybe the vast majority of them are "quacks" as you claim. However, I have nothing but good things to say about mine..I probably go, on average, every couple of years.

It is one thing to claim it helps with joint issues. It is entirely something else to claim it cures real problems such as high blood pressure. Especially if you aren't going to provide peer reviewed scientific studies to backup your claims.

Not being able to turn your head isn't a "real problem"? Damn those unnecessary conveniences of the human body!

Talk about not being able to address the issue. I never stated joint problems aren't real. My point is simple. Claiming chiropractic care can cure real issues such as high blood pressure is disingenuous and not backed by any scientific studies.

Additionally there are few studies that show any long term benefit to real joint issues. Temporarily relief sure. Long term solutions, no.

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: alchemize
So defend what you said. Post some peer-reviewed studies about those ailments you claimed Chiro can help?

uh, i already posted in response to your nonsense.

you also have to understand that getting studies for chiropractic is a relatively new thing and not much money goes into it because we don't use any pharmaceuticals. so we're not going to be in any jama or anything like that... our studies and peer-reviews are typically found in chiropractic, manipulative, and physiotherapy journals.

OK, so cite some articles from there. Let's just focus on ADHD for starters? I'm super curious how cracking somebody's back cures ADHD.

To his credit, and as he's posted already, eits did address the ADHD claim about a page back. I think some of the confusion here (at least with ADHD specifically) is that eits stated chiropractic intervention could reduce or eliminate some ADHD-like symptoms, especially in individuals potentially misdiagnosed with ADHD. However, I don't know that there is evidence to support an actual treatment or cure of "true" ADHD.

If an individual is hyperactive, impulsive, and/or inattentive due to nerve impingement, then one could argue that they technically do not have ADHD, and have instead been misdiagnosed. Thus, chiropractic care, as I mentioned above, could treat ADHD-like symptoms, although not ADHD itself.

The problem with that argument, however, is that ADHD experts don't fully know or understand the true cause of the disorder. There are plenty of well-supported theories, but without an actual answer, it's tough to say that ADHD symptoms secondary to nerve impingement, if the condition actually exists, isn't "true" ADHD.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: 911paramedic

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
how do you graduate and not know it?

basically, i had an incomplete (which i knew). i was told that i would be graduating with the next graduating class because of it. so, i completed what i needed to while looking for a job. well, this morning, i went onto my campus email to check it and i got an email from the registrar saying that my official graduation date was the 15th and congrats and wanted to know if i was going to do my senior check-out now or wait to do it with the rest of this graduating class.

since my family and friends are coming to graduation, i told her i intended to graduate with the rest of the class and walk the stage during graduation. she said that'd be fine and that i needed to do my check-out with the rest of this graduating class.

then, later today, i got a phone call from a doctor with whom i interviewed for a position and was REALLY hoping to get and he said i got the job. i start on tuesday.

Q: What do you call the guy that graduates last in his Chiropractic class?
A: Dr.

lol

i didn't graduate bottom of the class or anything, it's just that there was a big misunderstanding that rendered me helpless to where i had to redo things i'd already done. it was some serious bullshit and i was upset about it, but there wasn't anything i could do about it, so i took the incomplete. the school felt sorry for the issue and paid for the extra semester to finish my incomplete without a time limit and any books i might need.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Codewiz
How about this. Lets eliminate the anecdotal evidence.....lets eliminate the personal stories. I mean because we all know about the placebo effect.

EITS or any other quack "doctor", how about you provide real peer reviewed studies that showed Chiropractic care cured any diseases or ailments beyond joint issues. I see you mention colic. Show me the study that supports claims such as this. High blood pressure, show me that chiropractic care is any different than massage for lowering it.

Joint issues are pretty damn important, IMHO. Maybe you've never not been able to move your head more than a few degrees due to excruciating pain...

I've only gone to one chiropractor, so maybe the vast majority of them are "quacks" as you claim. However, I have nothing but good things to say about mine..I probably go, on average, every couple of years.

It is one thing to claim it helps with joint issues. It is entirely something else to claim it cures real problems such as high blood pressure. Especially if you aren't going to provide peer reviewed scientific studies to backup your claims.

you need to learn to read. i never said it cured anything. i even specifically said chiropractic DOESN'T cure anything.

read through the ENTIRE thread before you decide to be ignorant.

after you're done, i'll answer whatever question you have that i haven't already answered in the thread.

 

[sourceninja]

My take. I had bad neck / shoulder pain with weakness. My family doc was no help. He gave me anti-inflam drugs and sent me home. After a month, my coach suggested his chiro guy. I tried him and after almost ripping my head off the pain was gone. BUT it came back 2 months later. Fast forward 2 years later I'm still getting adjustment and it's still comming back.

Finally, i go to a sports med doctor. He looks me over and tells me my problem is muscle degeneration and lack of flexabily. He sends me to therapy. 3 months later I'm fine. The doctor then adjusted my workouts to include more streaching. It's been 2 years and no pain.

It seems to me ( and the other guys I know who go to chiro's) that they never fix the problem and you have to keep getting adjustments for the rest of your life. I'm done with them.

Congrats however. Your profession can most definatly provide pain management.

 

[sourceninja]

Last post made via iPhone. So sorry about any bad spelling or readabilty.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: sourceninja
My take. I had bad neck / shoulder pain with weakness. My family doc was no help. He gave me anti-inflam drugs and sent me home. After a month, my coach suggested his chiro guy. I tried him and after almost ripping my head off the pain was gone. BUT it came back 2 months later. Fast forward 2 years later I'm still getting adjustment and it's still comming back.

Finally, i go to a sports med doctor. He looks me over and tells me my problem is muscle degeneration and lack of flexabily. He sends me to therapy. 3 months later I'm fine. The doctor then adjusted my workouts to include more streaching. It's been 2 years and no pain.

It seems to me ( and the other guys I know who go to chiro's) that they never fix the problem and you have to keep getting adjustments for the rest of your life. I'm done with them.

Congrats however. Your profession can most definatly provide pain management.

lots of chiropractors don't take enough time to do more with their patients. it's a shame, really. that's one of the biggest complaints about chiropractors is that they don't do enough and you have to keep coming back for the rest of your life. well, that's not always the case. with some patients, yes, they need to come in for the rest of their lives regularly. some people, like a couple of people who've posted in this thread, need to go every couple months or so just to make sure the problem stays at bey.

personally, i'm getting my master's in sports injuries and rehabilitation (almost like sports medicine, really) so that i can have more tools at hand to treat people. not enough chiropractors out there care about that. they learn the bare minimum at school and then when they get their doctorate and license, they wanna set up shop and start treating people. will they help people? absolutely... but there are people who come in who've got problems like you had and they can only do so much because they don't have the extra knowledge or experience to do what needs to be done to treat.