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You work on THEIR TERMS, plain & simple. Don't like the benefits offered? Leave. Don't like the hours or absence policy? Leave, or better yet, don't hire on in the first place. It all ain't that complicated.
You work on THEIR TERMS, plain & simple. Don't like the benefits offered? Leave. Don't like the hours or absence policy? Leave, or better yet, don't hire on in the first place. It all ain't that complicated.
I disagree. Make your skillset valuable and then you can negotiate these terms.
I respect my boss, and he is valuable to me as a person (knowledge, advice, etc.), but I am also valuable to him. we work together to get things DONE. We don't sit there and complain and worry about political bullshit that isn't going to get us anywhere. Our job is to keep the company running and moving forward. I would never work for a company that worried more about someone being 3 - 5 minutes late or calling out sick or anything stupid that could happen regularly, MORE so than keeping the company efficient, and providing whatever public service it provided to make the world easier and to pay people money to survive.
DrPizza
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Come on... how can you guys be so mean to say this kid has no work ethic! I mean... he's working really hard in summer school! Wait a second... aren't most of the kids in summer school because they didn't have a good work ethic during the school year???
From me: 20 years on one job, I used 2 sick days. Once, I had severe food poisoning, the other time, I was sent to the hospital for an emergency CAT scan. I was sent home sick once, or rather, sent to the emergency room. I scheduled elective surgeries around my job, not for when I was supposed to be working; I even showed up for work about 8 hours after having a vasectomy. Job #2 (teacher) - used one sick day and zero personal days in 7 years. Sick day was spent on a minor in-office surgery.
From me: 20 years on one job, I used 2 sick days. Once, I had severe food poisoning, the other time, I was sent to the hospital for an emergency CAT scan. I was sent home sick once, or rather, sent to the emergency room. I scheduled elective surgeries around my job, not for when I was supposed to be working; I even showed up for work about 8 hours after having a vasectomy. Job #2 (teacher) - used one sick day and zero personal days in 7 years. Sick day was spent on a minor in-office surgery.
So, of course you won't mind if your boss hires some bimbo, for the same salary you're making, who does less work, comes in late, calls in sick all the time, leaves early, and generally acts like a prima donna? Where do you draw the line? If one employee is allowed to be late and call in sick frequently without repercussions, then so should everybody else, no?
Oh, and obviously Tom is an old school chump, but I know who I'd want on my payroll between him and today's "new age" benefit seekers!
Oh, and obviously Tom is an old school chump, but I know who I'd want on my payroll between him and today's "new age" benefit seekers!
For a FT student this Fall, tuition at my school is $10,672.50.
For the equivalent of FT during the summer, it cost $9,024.
I don't know about you, but ~$1500 is a nice chunk of change to save.
The attitude at my job:
"Get your work done. That's all."
The only thing you said that I don't agree with is "Does less work". I do the same amount of work. It might be from home, it might be late at night.... but I get my work DONE.
If they're getting the same amount of work done in less time, what's the problem?
With salaried employees, that is a common scenario.
It's not that they're getting "the same amount of work done in less time", it's that you guys are chumps who are doing too much work, for too little compensation. You just might be turning "old school" without knowing it!
If my employer wants to hire someone incompetent that is their business. Nepotism and favoritism aren't new tricks. The only way I care is if it starts threatening my job stability, and in that case I'd find a new job.
You would LOVE it, because I don't have what it takes to be a supervisor/manager. I can't lay into people like some people do so easily. If I ran a company, it would soon go under, because the hirelings would run freely, and sloppily. There needs to be strict structure for operations to function well. Doesn't take much of a disruption to cause ripples, which cause shipment delays and angry customers. I LOVE structure, but lack the nads to enforce it. Sad, but true...
At my company we run employment history checks using some national database. If you fail to list one employer on your application that ends up in the employment search --- you're out of the running, no questions asked.
We figure if you're going to lie about your employment history then what else are you lying about. Plus, your obviously lying about that posistion for a reason.
DainBramaged
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D1gger
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It is great that your employer feels able to give you such flexibility. As an employer, I find that this approach does have significant downside. While you may be a very dedicated and skilled employee, and as you say you stay until the job is done, not everyone has the same drive. If some of your less dedicated workmates see you arriving at 10, 11 or even 12, they feel entitled to do the same, even though they would never consider staying late to finish a project. The less motivated employees will only see the parts of the situation they want to see and before you know it, they are coming in late and still leaving at 5.
As a boss, that makes it difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff.
DrPizza
Administrator Elite Member Goat Whisperer
Yeah, sure. An employer doesn't care if you had a paper route when you were 12 years old, and they're not going to care if you didn't list it as employment, especially for an experienced individual.
DrPizza
Administrator Elite Member Goat Whisperer
Originally posted by: 1sikbITCH
Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: Kyanzes
Interesting, I haven't had a single day off sick since I started to work (almost exactly 10 years now). Not a single day. That doesn't mean I'm ultra resilient or something, it simply means that I would never risk to take days out when I'm sick. It doesn't worth it. Let them send you home if they want (never accepted that though). You are the most vulnerable when you are not near. You would be very surprised how risky it is to be far from your workplace (sickness, holiday etc). People immediately start to talk about you, the quality of the work you do, your relationship to others etc. Ofc if you brake your bones, get cancer etc. that's different stuff. But I doubt anyone would fire you for breaking your leg. Taking days out on probation is a bad omen also. Either don't be sick or be the boss. However it is still unadvised to leave for a long time even when you are the boss, for obvious reasons
lol...you sound like a job-scared little bitch...
Agreed. Paranoia will destroy ya. I work to live, not the other way around. I am confident enough in myself and my abilities as well as in my relationships with co-workers, friends, and outside business contacts to know that even if by some tragedy I lost my job, I would move forward and get a new job. And through it all, I would still enjoy life. F*ck the job.
No sh1t, talk about paranoia. I'm not going to work when I have flu and I don't think any of my coworkers would appreciate it if I did and made them sick. People can talk about you even when you're at work.
Maybe if you're looking for that burger boy position at the local McDonald's, but a lot of professionals leave out irrelevant experience, especially if it would require that the resume be of an absurd length.
I leave out no less than four positions on my resume for no purpose other than brevity and relevance.
As an employer, I completely agree. Renegade employees are nothing but trouble and they create nothing but dissention among the team.
An employee that thinks they have carte blanche with respect to working hours only serves to frustrate others. You're not around when others need you, you'll be perceived as being unreliable (or at least not punctual, but that's obvious), so all you'll do is ostracize yourself from the team, and in most professional environments someone who works well with others is often more valuable than getting your work done on time.
Professionals show respect to their colleagues by working as a team, and that includes showing up around the same time as everyone else.
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Wow. 100 replies sure came fast. So here's my update:
I did officially get fired when I showed up for my shift today (still feeling like crap). It's cool, I understand their position. A little over the top, maybe, but still, I recognize how bad it looks to call in sick at such an early time in the employment.
Now, to the rest of you people throwing a tantrum and pointing a finger at me, calling me "entitled" or "lazy," that I have no work ethic or that I'm the downfall of modern society, etc: I went to the doctor this morning and was indeed diagnosed with the stomach flu. The day I called in, I had thrown up 3 times before I even thought about picking up the phone. I felt/feel like sh!t, and I don't particularly care whether you believe that or not.
I have worked at least a summer job consistently since I was 14. Yesterday was the first time, in all those 6 years, that I ever called in sick to one of my jobs. Ever. I wasn't even sure how it would all play out, because I've never called off before in my life.
I have another job interview lined up already, one that's with a campus employer so they'll hopefully be flexible with my schedule. That was one problem with the store-I am currently a student, and I am taking classes. Often times professors schedule exams on Saturdays, etc, to be able to fit everything in, and they were not understanding of this at all.
So, I guess my main points:
I am sick. Believe it or don't, I don't care.
I recognize now how bad it looks to call off your first week. I admit my mistake in not coming in to "demonstrate my illness" and, well, I guess I've learned something. (gasp!)
I'm not lazy-I work hard at everything I do. I just had poor timing and a lack of foresight here. I paid the price and lost my job. Life goes on. No need to throw around such catty insults.
I did officially get fired when I showed up for my shift today (still feeling like crap). It's cool, I understand their position. A little over the top, maybe, but still, I recognize how bad it looks to call in sick at such an early time in the employment.
Now, to the rest of you people throwing a tantrum and pointing a finger at me, calling me "entitled" or "lazy," that I have no work ethic or that I'm the downfall of modern society, etc: I went to the doctor this morning and was indeed diagnosed with the stomach flu. The day I called in, I had thrown up 3 times before I even thought about picking up the phone. I felt/feel like sh!t, and I don't particularly care whether you believe that or not.
I have worked at least a summer job consistently since I was 14. Yesterday was the first time, in all those 6 years, that I ever called in sick to one of my jobs. Ever. I wasn't even sure how it would all play out, because I've never called off before in my life.
I have another job interview lined up already, one that's with a campus employer so they'll hopefully be flexible with my schedule. That was one problem with the store-I am currently a student, and I am taking classes. Often times professors schedule exams on Saturdays, etc, to be able to fit everything in, and they were not understanding of this at all.
So, I guess my main points:
I am sick. Believe it or don't, I don't care.
I recognize now how bad it looks to call off your first week. I admit my mistake in not coming in to "demonstrate my illness" and, well, I guess I've learned something. (gasp!)
I'm not lazy-I work hard at everything I do. I just had poor timing and a lack of foresight here. I paid the price and lost my job. Life goes on. No need to throw around such catty insults.
meltdown75
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