So I'm getting fired

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Triforceofcourage
At my office they don't want you to come in if your sick so you don't spread it around. That is why it is poor management. Why the hell would he want this guy to come in and infect the rest of the employees.

Are you required to provide some form of evidence you were actually sick?

The biggest issue is that he was still on his probationary period. You DO NOT call out on your probationary period. I'm sure if he was off it already, he would've at most gotten a verbal warning. Also, typically during the probation period, you do not have ANY sick or personal days.

 

[Pikachu]

Originally posted by: dighn

Originally posted by: Pikachu
Funny how the supposedly "young & healthy" are the ones always calling in sick. Why do you think that is?

Does it matter? When you are sick, you are sick. Rest makes you recover quicker and reduces the chance of infecting others.

Although doing it in the first week certainly doesn't look good. But sometimes you can't help it I guess.

Hell yeah, it matters. Answer the question. I suspect it has more to do with work ethic than actually being sick.

 

[EyeMWing]

I had a boss once who, over the course of a quarter (that's 65 work days) took 63 sick days. I ****** you not. And she still got paid in full.

... And then the entire department was deleted. You sound like you're shaping up to be my former boss.

 

[Triforceofcourage]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Triforceofcourage
At my office they don't want you to come in if your sick so you don't spread it around. That is why it is poor management. Why the hell would he want this guy to come in and infect the rest of the employees.

Are you required to provide some form of evidence you were actually sick?

The biggest issue is that he was still on his probationary period. You DO NOT call out on your probationary period. I'm sure if he was off it already, he would've at most gotten a verbal warning. Also, typically during the probation period, you do not have ANY sick or personal days.

We are on the honor system. Fortunately, no one has taken advantage yet because we are all responsible adults.

 

[dighn]

Originally posted by: Pikachu

Originally posted by: dighn

Originally posted by: Pikachu
Funny how the supposedly "young & healthy" are the ones always calling in sick. Why do you think that is?

Does it matter? When you are sick, you are sick. Rest makes you recover quicker and reduces the chance of infecting others.

Although doing it in the first week certainly doesn't look good. But sometimes you can't help it I guess.

Hell yeah, it matters. Answer the question. I suspect it has more to do with work ethic than actually being sick.

I can't answer for others. But I just took a sick day a couple of weeks ago. Had an acute skin infection on my scalp so I had to see the doc to get some antibiotics to get it under control quickly. I could have went in the afternoon after the appointment but I figured my skin was a real mess, didn't want to infect my desk with more germs, and I could use some rest so I took the whole day off. Although my line of work is pretty flexible on time (engineering) so missing a day isn't too big of a deal. And I pretty much made it up by working extra the next few days. It's justified imo.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Triforceofcourage

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Triforceofcourage
At my office they don't want you to come in if your sick so you don't spread it around. That is why it is poor management. Why the hell would he want this guy to come in and infect the rest of the employees.

Are you required to provide some form of evidence you were actually sick?

The biggest issue is that he was still on his probationary period. You DO NOT call out on your probationary period. I'm sure if he was off it already, he would've at most gotten a verbal warning. Also, typically during the probation period, you do not have ANY sick or personal days.

We are on the honor system. Fortunately, no one has taken advantage yet because we are all responsible adults.

How big is the company you work for?

 

[Triforceofcourage]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Triforceofcourage

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Triforceofcourage
At my office they don't want you to come in if your sick so you don't spread it around. That is why it is poor management. Why the hell would he want this guy to come in and infect the rest of the employees.

Are you required to provide some form of evidence you were actually sick?

The biggest issue is that he was still on his probationary period. You DO NOT call out on your probationary period. I'm sure if he was off it already, he would've at most gotten a verbal warning. Also, typically during the probation period, you do not have ANY sick or personal days.

We are on the honor system. Fortunately, no one has taken advantage yet because we are all responsible adults.

How big is the company you work for?

Small company, about 15 of us right now.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: her209
Quick! Go to the doctor and get a diagnosis. If they fire you, you can take them to court for unlawful termination. $$$ $$$

hahah great idea. to bad he will lose but hey he will waste his money. considering he is on probation they can fire him if they want.



I had the same policy. if someone called in sick during the first 2 weeks i usually fired them. unless htey had a note from the doctor or such.

yes i understand something happens but it damn well better be bad or your ass should at least show up to work (wich i will then send you home).

 

[Triforceofcourage]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: her209
Quick! Go to the doctor and get a diagnosis. If they fire you, you can take them to court for unlawful termination. $$$ $$$

hahah great idea. to bad he will lose but hey he will waste his money. considering he is on probation they can fire him if they want.



I had the same policy. if someone called in sick during the first 2 weeks i usually fired them. unless htey had a note from the doctor or such.

yes i understand something happens but it damn well better be bad or your ass should at least show up to work (wich i will then send you home).

Tough crowd

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Triforceofcourage

Small company, about 15 of us right now.

When you have a smaller company, the honor system can work great. However, when you start going towards 100, 200, 300 people and beyond, the honor system is an extremely difficult system to effectively implement.

 

[manlymatt83]

Originally posted by: Triforceofcourage

Originally posted by: Pikachu
Typical advice from one of today's entitled slackers. Here I'll fix it:

My guess is you don't give a ****** about your employer...

Actually, my employer has been great to me so far. I enjoy working for the company and the people around me. However, his employer sounds like a real piece of garbage. I wouldn't want to work for such poor management.

I'm still in my 90 day probationary period at work and I think I've called in sick about 5-7 times. But screw that. I work my ass off at that company. If they don't like me because I worked too hard the night before (or legitimately am sick) and can't come into work, then I'll go somewhere else.

 

[Mill]

I wouldn't work for a company like that. Ignore the old farts that think you have some kind of "duty" to your company, especially when they will outsource your job or fire you for some good 'ole nepotism anytime they want and not give a damn.

You fools think this is still the day of working for a company your entire lifetime. The current generation is a highly mobile and educated workforce, and they are not bound to one job like the Baby Boomers were. I wouldn't work for a company that was that much of a jerk, but there is some validity to it looking bad. It always looks bad when you call in sick early in your employment, but how can you prevent such bad luck? You can't.

You have no duty to a company that sees you as a simple line on their budget. Not all companies are like that, but I think anyone can easily see which ones are and aren't. There is something asinine about firing a well-skilled or hardworking person because of a sick day. If you want to run your company like that then that is a person's right. I'll never respect it, though.

Too many people here are way too conservative when it comes to jobs and business. Things are changing. My generation the so-called "slackers" will be the bosses soon, and we are already gaining lots of power. That's life.

 

[Mill]

Furthermore, I always laugh at companies that refuse to abandon the traditional 8/9-5 system. They think if employees telecommute or finish their work faster that "they haven't put in a good day's work." It is to the benefit of the company if someone works faster or completes more work. The idea of having to have ass-in-seat for 8 hours a day is going the way of the dodo. Any company that doesn't see that is not going to survive too long these days.

 

[manlymatt83]

Originally posted by: Mill
Furthermore, I always laugh at companies that refuse to abandon the traditional 8/9-5 system. They think if employees telecommute or finish their work faster that "they haven't put in a good day's work." It is to the benefit of the company if someone works faster or completes more work. The idea of having to have ass-in-seat for 8 hours a day is going the way of the dodo. Any company that doesn't see that is not going to survive too long these days.

Agreed. Just last Friday I worked from home, and then I worked from home overnight too. I don't think I'm going to go in tomorrow until ~noon.

 

[Pikachu]

Who is it that comes begging for work, then expects the employer to look the other way at their indifference to the employment they were given? Funny how so many other people can make it to work, on time, day after day, month after month, without a hitch, yet this lazy ass "new generation" can't see their way clear to show up for two weeks straight. I hope to hell you do end up employing some of these useless, "entitled" dregs. It would serve you right!

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Pikachu
Who is it that comes begging for work, then expects the employer to look the other way at their indifference to the employment they were given? Funny how so many other people can make it to work, on time, day after day, month after month, without a hitch, yet this lazy ass "new generation" can't see their way clear to show up for two weeks straight. I hope to hell you do end up employing some of these useless, "entitled" dregs. It would serve you right!

I'm sorry you aren't intelligent to realize that work is not life. Toil away in your little shop all day with no rest for the weary, and the rest of us will fight for more benefits. If you want to make work your "life" then fine. However, some of us see the bigger picture. That's why the workforce is so mobile now. Instead of being a miserly curmudgeon until 65, the people realize that they have to have a life and have fun, because your life can end before you know it.

I don't want it to sound like I'm taking up for true slack-ass workers. I've fired my share. Let me share a little anecdotal account. I had this employee -- let's call him Tommy. Tommy was always a few minutes late, took longer breaks than allowed, and occasionally called in. Tommy wanted time off for a vacation. I told him he could have the time if he showed up one week without a single problem -- otherwise he was gone. I'd been considering firing him for quite some time, but we had quite a labor shortage. Second day of his "program" I catch Tommy asleep. Fire his ass right there.

"Joyce" was a great employee of mine that was always on time, did her job well, and never caused any problems. One day she called-in sick, yet I saw her out and about at a restaurant around lunch time. Wrote her up, told her if some ever did anything wrong again she was gone. She never did. When I left the company she was a top-notch employee. Discretion is part of the game. Ignoring it for strict rules is silly. You'll end up replacing some of your great employees with some dregs of society that just happen to show up on time.

 

[manlymatt83]

Originally posted by: Pikachu
Who is it that comes begging for work, then expects the employer to look the other way at their indifference to the employment they were given? Funny how so many other people can make it to work, on time, day after day, month after month, without a hitch, yet this lazy ass "new generation" can't see their way clear to show up for two weeks straight. I hope to hell you do end up employing some of these useless, "entitled" dregs. It would serve you right!

Control yourself there cowboy.

I am one of these "new generation" kids. I'm 22 years old.

I work my butt off at work. No, I don't ever show up at nine am. But I'm usually there well past 6 pm, sometimes I work overnight, whenever there is a problem, I FIX it instead of covering it up, and overall, I am helping to change the way things are run at the company I work for.

Sure, my boss yells at me when I show up late, which is quite often. But doing that is what I need to do to stay efficient. If I'm forced to show up at nine am, and leave at 5 pm, I will be no WHERE near as efficient as I am now. And it shows, and he knows it.

Note: I am usually into work by 10:00 AM. Sometimes, if I was up late the night before working or something, I'll go in around noon.

 

[Pikachu]

...the rest of us will fight for more benefits.

Ah yes, more of the "entitled" masses. You Socialist whiners are pathetic. :roll:

 

[Triforceofcourage]

Originally posted by: Pikachu
Who is it that comes begging for work, then expects the employer to look the other way at their indifference to the employment they were given? Funny how so many other people can make it to work, on time, day after day, month after month, without a hitch, yet this lazy ass "new generation" can't see their way clear to show up for two weeks straight. I hope to hell you do end up employing some of these useless, "entitled" dregs. It would serve you right!

What fool would beg for work. Especially not me. My skills speak for themselves. I am an accountant and would never beg any company for a job. If a company wants my unique skillset and respects me and my work then I am more than happy to become part of the group and contribute. But no job is worth begging for or being disrespected.

 

[manlymatt83]

Originally posted by: Pikachu

...the rest of us will fight for more benefits.

Ah yes, more of the "entitled" masses. You Socialist whiners are pathetic. :roll:

Ahh... OK. You just explained a lot to me. Your attitude makes more sense now.

 

[manlymatt83]

Originally posted by: Triforceofcourage

Originally posted by: Pikachu
Who is it that comes begging for work, then expects the employer to look the other way at their indifference to the employment they were given? Funny how so many other people can make it to work, on time, day after day, month after month, without a hitch, yet this lazy ass "new generation" can't see their way clear to show up for two weeks straight. I hope to hell you do end up employing some of these useless, "entitled" dregs. It would serve you right!

What fool would beg for work. Especially not me. My skills speak for themselves. I am an accountant and would never beg any company for a job. If a company wants my unique skillset and respects me and my work then I am more than happy to become part of the group and contribute. But no job is worth begging for or disrespect.

Bingo. My skillset is valuable. I let the companies come to me, and in return for their chance, I work hard for them. I won't work for a company with the typical "boss ---> employee" relationships though. It has to be a mutual "working together". I'm not going to work in a company where my ability to get work done is hindered by politics and power hungry employers.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Pikachu

...the rest of us will fight for more benefits.

Ah yes, more of the "entitled" masses. You Socialist whiners are pathetic. :roll:

I'm a socialist? LMAO.

I'm very conservative fiscally and by the standards that I judge employees. However, I'm not some old-codger hardass that has to justify his life by saying "damn kids" all the time.

I'm very free market. Remove tariffs, pro-outsourcing, pro-globalization. If I'm socialist then you are Milton Berle. However, I think workers have JUST as much of a right to freedom and ability to change jobs, quit, or demand higher compensation. Companies don't HAVE to give them anything. But, they of course, do have the freedom to demand such a thing. As much as a company has the right to demand certain things.

 

[Pikachu]

Originally posted by: Triforceofcourage

Originally posted by: Pikachu

Who is it that comes begging for work, then expects the employer to look the other way at their indifference to the employment they were given? Funny how so many other people can make it to work, on time, day after day, month after month, without a hitch, yet this lazy ass "new generation" can't see their way clear to show up for two weeks straight. I hope to hell you do end up employing some of these useless, "entitled" dregs. It would serve you right!

What fool would beg for work. Especially not me. My skills speak for themselves. I am an accountant and would never beg any company for a job. If a company wants my unique skillset and respects me and my work then I am more than happy to become part of the group and contribute. But no job is worth begging for or being disrespected.

Did you send a resume, or did a headhunter snag your ass?

 

[Triforceofcourage]

Originally posted by: Pikachu

Originally posted by: Triforceofcourage

Originally posted by: Pikachu

Who is it that comes begging for work, then expects the employer to look the other way at their indifference to the employment they were given? Funny how so many other people can make it to work, on time, day after day, month after month, without a hitch, yet this lazy ass "new generation" can't see their way clear to show up for two weeks straight. I hope to hell you do end up employing some of these useless, "entitled" dregs. It would serve you right!

What fool would beg for work. Especially not me. My skills speak for themselves. I am an accountant and would never beg any company for a job. If a company wants my unique skillset and respects me and my work then I am more than happy to become part of the group and contribute. But no job is worth begging for or being disrespected.

Did you send a resume, or did a headhunter snag your ass?

I sent a resume but I was interviewing them as much as they were interviewing me.

 

[daveymark]

sometimes I have these pangs of wishing I was back in the workplace, there were fun parts, but it's threads like these that reaffrim my reasons for starting my own business. If I don't feel like working, I don't work. Granted, it's rare when that happens, but still..