So if Jesus Christ returns for the second time. What miracle must he do.....

[dighn]

The Rapture would be a pretty neat trick. I think that would be pretty convincing; though I'd be screwed in that case...

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Ravi Zacharias is one of 3 people asked to ever speak in a Mormon temple who was not a Mormon. His writings and apologetic speeches are on par with CS Lewis. That is the right debate.

If you watch debates with people who indeed live by faith and take from the Bible accurately, then they disassemble evolutionists views in seconds. It happens every time.

There has most definitely been evidence for it since the Bible was written. I believe there was a bone found recently from a dinosaur that was a couple thousand years old based on the place it was found in the rock.

How can you say that Creationism isn't on par with evolution. Years ago we thought that the world was flat and that was wrong. What makes a series of coincidences (And by coincidences things that have <1% chance of happening, much less simultaneously) so infallible? The answer is nothing... yet Christianity who has been around for many centuries before that, and has been ripped apart, still remains and still cannot be disproven.

-Kevin

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Why are they fairy tales? You do know that scholars and skeptics have torn the Bible apart of the centuries and they STILL cannot find evidence to disprove it.

It's pretty clear exactly where you're coming from here. No use arguing with this kind of mentality. But hey, enjoy your Jesus.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Ravi Zacharias is one of 3 people asked to ever speak in a Mormon temple who was not a Mormon. His writings and apologetic speeches are on par with CS Lewis. That is the right debate.

That's like saying he was 1 of only 3 "Magic: The Gathering" players invited to speak at a "Dungeon's & Dragons" convention. It doesn't make him an expert on anything important.

If you watch debates with people who indeed live by faith and take from the Bible accurately, then they disassemble evolutionists views in seconds. It happens every time.

There is no debate about evolution anymore. There hasn't been for decades.

There has most definitely been evidence for it since the Bible was written. I believe there was a bone found recently from a dinosaur that was a couple thousand years old based on the place it was found in the rock.

Please, please, please provide me a reference for this ridiculous claim. I beg of you.

How can you say that Creationism isn't on par with evolution. Years ago we thought that the world was flat and that was wrong.

Creationism does not provide a viable error theory, nor a viable replacement theory. Creationism simply is not science. At all. Period.

What makes a series of coincidences (And by coincidences things that have <1% chance of happening, much less simultaneously) so infallible?

Who said anything about infallibility?

The answer is nothing... yet Christianity who has been around for many centuries before that, and has been ripped apart, still remains and still cannot be disproven.

If you think it hasn't already been scientifically demonstrated that the earth and universe are much, much older than 10,000 years and that biological organisms are related by common anscestry, you have much deeper problems than the fact that you take your bedtime stories literally.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: MegaVovaN
Destroy all STDs so I can bang any chix I like.
Find cure for Cancer.
Tell us more about universe and prove it (is there and end to Cosmos? what does it look like?)

The internet never fails to bring out the winners. :roll:

 

[RESmonkey]

Give me $12 Billion dollars USD. Deposit right into my bank, and make about 50 more bank accounts all over with me and deposit most of it. Put the majority in Cd's, and other high yielding things.

Actually, I don't really believe in him. So it doesn't have to be him, at all. It could be anyone, as long as I get my money. Any volunteers?

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
This is the beauty of the word faith...

and the irony at the same time.

If they were truly "faithful", they would find peace in that alone, and not be dragged into the turmoil of conflict that the non believers seem to be able to embroil them in.

Heh-heh...yeah, let's go kill the unbelievers for Jeezus...:roll:

Funny that doctrine is totally absent from Christianity. You don't even have to visit church to notice that. If there was such a doctrine, this country would have been a blood bath ever since it's inception. Plus, we'd even have laws in the US allowing us to persecute and kill unbelievers.

Don't believe all the baseless fear-mongering of anti-Christian types. Sadly, truth doesn't always catch up with the lies.

So the Spanish didn't kill the heathen Native Mexican, Aztec, and other indigenous peoples of Southern and Central America for their failure to submit?
You'd think there would be some effort to correct this massive injustice to the Conquistador's reputation.

I've answered this above, please read that for my honest response.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Jeff7
I thought the Bible was God's divine inspiration, not the creative writing of humans. Shouldn't God's word be independent of the state of human technology and culture?

The bible is a book that is written by the account of people.
Its no more than you or I writing down what we saw or heard.
It was even edited for content by the church upon its formation in Carthage.
If it was the word of God himself, I doubt they would have thought to take the liberty.

And when we write that, we write it based on how we understand things at the time.

Of course the churches that placed the term "holy" on the bible would think the accounts were something supernatural.
Again, its based on what they understood at the time.

I'm not a member of any religion.
But I do believe in intelligent design.
Looking at the universe and how it works, I can't see how someone wouldn't.

I don't think God is walking around with angels with wings and floating on clouds somewhere.
But again, that was the limit of understanding at the time.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: Modelworks
On the whole creation, 7 days, Adam and Eve thing.
Guys you need to think like the people with the knowledge they had then would think.

Your thinking about it based on what you know now. These people didn't know the earth was round and your expecting them to say things like, well there was this big bang, and he used dna and spliced it......


If some supreme being created you and you only had the knowledge they would have had at the time before Noah, how would you describe creation and where you came from ?

I would really love to read some of your attempts at describing it.


Remember God , nor Jesus, never wrote a single word in the bible, with the exception of the ten commandments. Thats the only text directly attributed to God.

I thought the Bible was God's divine inspiration, not the creative writing of humans. Shouldn't God's word be independent of the state of human technology and culture?

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
We are human-- of course we are going to strive to understand that which does not need explanation, nor can we ever explain. However; a person who is truly living by faith is never scrabbling for validation. Have you ever watched a debate between a Creationist and otherwise... the Creationist absolutely dismantles any and everything the other says. That is not scrabbling for validation, that is putting the word of God in blunt fashion...

-Kevin

We must be watching very different debates. The usual argument is, "If you scientists can't explain it, then it's God, and God doesn't need to follow your logic, and is thus exempt from scientific proof."
It's throwing in a get-out-of-jail free card in a game of chess.

Watch well respected Christians not ones who try and make excuses for what they/we do not understand-- Ravi Zacharias for instance. One of the best speakers I have ever heard...

He uses the same tired and rebutted creationist arguments as all the others, if this is any indication.

Prove him wrong... sounded like a rock hard foundation to me. I don't see how you can disprove what he stated...

It's pretty clear exactly where you're coming from here. No use arguing with this kind of mentality. But hey, enjoy your Jesus.

What that says to me is that you can't find an argument worthy to prove mine wrong. Instead you resort to just stating that I am not worth the time-- go ahead argue. Try and prove me wrong, if you are truly passionate about what you believe you will care enough to proclaim it.

That's like saying he was 1 of only 3 "Magic: The Gathering" players invited to speak at a "Dungeon's & Dragons" convention. It doesn't make him an expert on anything important.

Sure if dungeons and dragons involves a good chance that you will be killed if you go and preach there uninvited. This is on religion inviting a completely different religion in to speak-- that was HUGE.

There is no debate about evolution anymore. There hasn't been for decades.

Thats weird... I could have sworn that someone just posted a very legitimate argument that no one here can prove otherwise. I would say that proves there is a debate, and that you were just proven wrong on many accounts.

Not only that, Evolution came about in what 1850's? A good strong 158 years. Christianity and its derivatives 2000+ years and still have not been proven wrong-- 158 vs 2000+ Evolution seems pretty new to me compared to that...

Please, please, please provide me a reference for this ridiculous claim. I beg of you.

Link: I haven't read it all but from what I read it seems to coincide with what I was referring to.
This also

Creationism does not provide a viable error theory, nor a viable replacement theory. Creationism simply is not science. At all. Period.

Why do you need a replacement theory? Why do you need error within something. I have always been taught that absolute certainty is for the most part more true than something with a 1% error margin

Who said anything about infallibility?

The intellectual debate is already won

That seems to me like he believes that this is true with absolute certainty. If there is no debate anymore, according to him, there is no way it is fallible.

If you think it hasn't already been scientifically demonstrated that the earth and universe are much, much older than 10,000 years and that biological organisms are related by common anscestry, you have much deeper problems than the fact that you take your bedtime stories literally.

Prove me wrong... I still don't see any thing in support of your argument out here. All I see is you constantly claiming, sometimes discretely, that I have problems because I believe in God.

-Kevin

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Jeff7
I thought the Bible was God's divine inspiration, not the creative writing of humans. Shouldn't God's word be independent of the state of human technology and culture?

The bible is a book that is written by the account of people.
Its no more than you or I writing down what we saw or heard.
And when we write that, we write it based on how we understand things at the time.

Of course the churches that placed the term "holy" on the bible would think the accounts were something supernatural. Again, its based on what they understood at the time.

I'm not a member of any religion.
But I do believe in intelligent design.
Looking at the universe and how it works, I can't see how someone wouldn't.

I don't think God is walking around with angels with wings and floating on clouds somewhere.
But again, that was the limit of understanding at the time.

The gospels were an account of people (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John). The Pauline letters were actual letters written by Paul to the appropriate Society/Person. The rest is God inspiring people to write what they wrote.

It is different from you and me writing because nothing has been proven false yet! That book is over 2000 years old and STILL has not been proven false. Not only that, the Old Testaments predictions CAME TRUE. They said a savior would come, and Roman Manuscripts, dated to the exact time, have a Jesus being crucified on a hill called Skull Hill.

-Kevin

 

[RedArmy]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: RedArmy
Text

That is horribly inappropriate and I wish you would argue in a civil manner and not bash something which I care about.

-Kevin

I'm sick and tired of all these religion threads always popping up on here. In every thread I've ever gone in I've never once seen someone say "You know what? You're absolutely right, I completely understand what you're saying". No one will ever admit defeat online, especially in a religious type of argument that this has already devolved into long ago.

Therefore, I think it's within my rights to say I don't really care what you think, since that appears to be the trend on here anyways.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek


The gospels were an account of people (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John). The Pauline letters were actual letters written by Paul to the appropriate Society/Person. The rest is God inspiring people to write what they wrote.

It is different from you and me writing because nothing has been proven false yet! That book is over 2000 years old and STILL has not been proven false. Not only that, the Old Testaments predictions CAME TRUE. They said a savior would come, and Roman Manuscripts, dated to the exact time, have a Jesus being crucified on a hill called Skull Hill.

-Kevin

Accounts of people.
How is that any different than you or I writing what we see or hear ?
Saying God inspired the people that wrote to write what they say ?
I don't believe that.

If that was true then who gave the people at Carthage the right to exclude or include anything ? I don't recall anything in history that says they all got together and God told them what was God inspired writing and what wasn't.

Instead it was all politics of the time.
You have powerful people deciding what was and was not to be heard by the public.
Rather than leaving people to make up their own minds, they dictated what they should believe.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Jeff7
I thought the Bible was God's divine inspiration, not the creative writing of humans. Shouldn't God's word be independent of the state of human technology and culture?

The bible is a book that is written by the account of people.
Its no more than you or I writing down what we saw or heard.
It was even edited for content by the church upon its formation in Carthage.
If it was the word of God himself, I doubt they would have thought to take the liberty.

And when we write that, we write it based on how we understand things at the time.

Of course the churches that placed the term "holy" on the bible would think the accounts were something supernatural.
Again, its based on what they understood at the time.

I'm not a member of any religion.
But I do believe in intelligent design.
Looking at the universe and how it works, I can't see how someone wouldn't.

I don't think God is walking around with angels with wings and floating on clouds somewhere.
But again, that was the limit of understanding at the time.

As the argument usually goes though, if there was a creator more complex than the Universe, who or what created the creator? It seems more difficult to create an entity with a coherent intelligence and nearly infinite power than it does to create a bubble of spacetime, with energy inside it, with its own inherent behavior, such as forces of gravity and electromagnetic interaction. On occasion, these behaviors allow for the formation of localized pockets of dense energy which we see as matter, and sometimes, that matter manages to achieve a state where it can process information, and generate new information - life, and sentient life.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: RedArmy

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: RedArmy
Text

That is horribly inappropriate and I wish you would argue in a civil manner and not bash something which I care about.

-Kevin

I'm sick and tired of all these religion threads always popping up on here. In every thread I've ever gone in I've never once seen someone say "You know what? You're absolutely right, I completely understand what you're saying". No one will ever admit defeat online, especially in a religious type of argument that this has already devolved into long ago.

Therefore, I think it's within my rights to say I don't really care what you think, since that appears to be the trend on here anyways.

There is a difference disagreeing and respectfully disagreeing. I have done the latter and would greatly appreciate it if you would remove that picture.

Accounts of people.
How is that any different than you or I writing what we see or hear ?
Saying God inspired the people that wrote to write what they say ?
I don't believe that.

If that was true then who gave the people at Carthage the right to exclude or include anything ? I don't recall anything in history that says they all got together and God told them what was God inspired writing and what wasn't.

Instead it was all politics of the time.
You have powerful people deciding what was and was not to be heard by the public.
Rather than leaving people to make up their own minds, they dictated what they should believe.

Because the God inspired word of the Old Testament came TRUE in the New Testament. Can you write something down today and then hundreds (possibly thousands I don't quite remember) of years later have it come true? If you could I would be quite astounded...

-Kevin

 

[BudAshes]

If a god existed he left along time ago.

 

[Skunkwourk]

Originally posted by: RedArmy

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: RedArmy
Text

That is horribly inappropriate and I wish you would argue in a civil manner and not bash something which I care about.

-Kevin

I'm sick and tired of all these religion threads always popping up on here. In every thread I've ever gone in I've never once seen someone say "You know what? You're absolutely right, I completely understand what you're saying". No one will ever admit defeat online, especially in a religious type of argument that this has already devolved into long ago.

Therefore, I think it's within my rights to say I don't really care what you think, since that appears to be the trend on here anyways.

You know what? You're absolutely right, I completely understand what you're saying.

ok seriously, I tend to agree that no one is going to be swayed over to the other point of view in these threads. Let the believers believe, and the non-believers be we'll all find out who was right when we die.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

There is no debate about evolution anymore. There hasn't been for decades.

Thats weird... I could have sworn that someone just posted a very legitimate argument that no one here can prove otherwise. I would say that proves there is a debate, and that you were just proven wrong on many accounts.

I saw no such argument supplied in this thread, and the fact remains, that there is no debate about evolution anymore. The scientists do not investigate its reality anymore, but rather they investigate the details of its reality, since its reality is no longer a question.

Not only that, Evolution came about in what 1850's? A good strong 158 years. Christianity and its derivatives 2000+ years and still have not been proven wrong-- 158 vs 2000+ Evolution seems pretty new to me compared to that...

Evolution is not the antithesis of Christianity, nor is the duration of a theory's existence any positive indicator of its correlation with reality.

By the way, nobody has proven the Tooth Fairy wrong. Do you believe in it, too?

Please, please, please provide me a reference for this ridiculous claim. I beg of you.

Link: I haven't read it all but from what I read it seems to coincide with what I was referring to.
This also

Typical creationist claptrap, refuted time and again.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD011.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD011_1.html

Creationism does not provide a viable error theory, nor a viable replacement theory. Creationism simply is not science. At all. Period.

Why do you need a replacement theory? Why do you need error within something. I have always been taught that absolute certainty is for the most part more true than something with a 1% error margin

You do not understand what I meant by "error theory," and that is, an explanation why we must be so wrong in the face of the overwhelming evidence. We did have an error theory when we explained why people believed the earth to be flat, which is why your analogy is as inept as the rest of your "reasoning."

Who said anything about infallibility?

The intellectual debate is already won

That seems to me like he believes that this is true with absolute certainty. If there is no debate anymore, according to him, there is no way it is fallible.

It has become obvious to me that the way things "seem" to you rarely coincides with reality.

If you think it hasn't already been scientifically demonstrated that the earth and universe are much, much older than 10,000 years and that biological organisms are related by common anscestry, you have much deeper problems than the fact that you take your bedtime stories literally.

Prove me wrong... I still don't see any thing in support of your argument out here. All I see is you constantly claiming, sometimes discretely, that I have problems because I believe in God.

It's not that you have problems because you believe in God. Plenty of people believe in God and see no need to turn a blind eye to simple facts about reality. No, you have problems because you apparently cannot reason soundly, and it causes you to revel in ignorance.

And all of the requisite "proof" you need can be found on any number of reputable websites. I suggest you educate yourself on http://talkorigins.org/

 

[RedArmy]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: RedArmy

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: RedArmy
Text

That is horribly inappropriate and I wish you would argue in a civil manner and not bash something which I care about.

-Kevin

I'm sick and tired of all these religion threads always popping up on here. In every thread I've ever gone in I've never once seen someone say "You know what? You're absolutely right, I completely understand what you're saying". No one will ever admit defeat online, especially in a religious type of argument that this has already devolved into long ago.

Therefore, I think it's within my rights to say I don't really care what you think, since that appears to be the trend on here anyways.

There is a difference disagreeing and respectfully disagreeing. I have done the latter and would greatly appreciate it if you would remove that picture.

-Kevin

There, now it's the problem of the person who posted it on bbzzdd. You wouldn't shoot the messenger now would you?

 

[Wheezer]

So in your deeply held Christian beliefs that there is one god and the trinity of the Father, the son and the holy spirit where is there room for Islam, Hinduism or Buddhism?

If you can allow yourself to beleive even for a minute that other religions just might also be right, then you must also allow for the fact that all religions could be wrong and there might just be nothing. If not, then you have just done what all who don't beleive the same way you do have been talking about thought this thread.

Your belief in a Christian god is based solely on faith...no tangible evidence suggest that there is a god...faith is not proof, it is faith....that is why it is called what it is, and faith can be a very powerful instrument. with a faith that strong, it can be the overriding factor through which you view all aspects of life and it will always guide your outlook.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Originally posted by: Modelworks

Originally posted by: Jeff7
I thought the Bible was God's divine inspiration, not the creative writing of humans. Shouldn't God's word be independent of the state of human technology and culture?

The bible is a book that is written by the account of people.
Its no more than you or I writing down what we saw or heard.
It was even edited for content by the church upon its formation in Carthage.
If it was the word of God himself, I doubt they would have thought to take the liberty.

Actually it's quite a bit worse than an account of people. The gospels were written 2nd hand many years after the events they describe. They're like if you or I tried to write stories about the events of WW2 based on stories we heard in bars.

One of the naughty little secrets of the church is that there are around 50 gospels, some of which actually are first hand accounts rather than anecdotes collected at a later date. Yet the church doesn't use those gospels and has spent 2000 years trying to hide them even resorting to murdering those who would try to make them public. Want to know why? Because the first hand accounts don't talk of miracles or Jesus as the son of god. In ALL the other gospels he was just a guy who was eventually killed for rabble rousing and preaching some unpopular ideas. So the church hid those, killed the people who knew about them and edited 4 far-fetched accounts into Jesus being divine. So now they're stuck with 4 bad pieces of fiction that science is picking apart line by line.

Hell, the really sad part is that the mythology they created and called the bible isn't even original. It borrows heavily from Greek, Roman and Egyptian mythology.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Oh its another religion thread

You cant prove something doesnt exist because you have no samples to do so, so non believers are at a natural disadvantage, which means believers should be the ones providing proof

Since they dont, I stand my ground as a non believer

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Prove him wrong... sounded like a rock hard foundation to me. I don't see how you can disprove what he stated...

His first argument was about causes, where god gets a "get out of jail free card," as someone else put it.

The second was the bogus probability argument which anyone should've heard a million times by now. It's not only "painting the bullseye around the arrow," but also misrepresents evolutionary theory in a horrific manner and also flies in the face of well known biochemical data.

I turned it off before he got to the third one, I'd filled my crap science quotient for the day.

 

[BoomerD]

Youse X-tians keep asking us to prove your religion wrong...we ask that you prove that it's true.

Anecdotal evidence, a book written by men and edited to fit the King's desire doesn't qualify at proof...just more anecdotal evidence.

There may well have been a man named Jesus in these times, and he may well have been crucified...but there's no PROOF that he magically escaped from the tomb and "ascended into Heaven" as claimed.

I don't care if you choose to believe this, taking it all on faith. That's fine, but don't expect everyone else to do so...some of us DEMAND proof of the existance, not only of your Jesus Christ, but of your God as well.

I still believe that religion was invented as mind-control for the illiterate masses.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: RedArmy

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: RedArmy

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: RedArmy
Text

That is horribly inappropriate and I wish you would argue in a civil manner and not bash something which I care about.

-Kevin

I'm sick and tired of all these religion threads always popping up on here. In every thread I've ever gone in I've never once seen someone say "You know what? You're absolutely right, I completely understand what you're saying". No one will ever admit defeat online, especially in a religious type of argument that this has already devolved into long ago.

Therefore, I think it's within my rights to say I don't really care what you think, since that appears to be the trend on here anyways.

There is a difference disagreeing and respectfully disagreeing. I have done the latter and would greatly appreciate it if you would remove that picture.

-Kevin

There, now it's the problem of the person who posted it on bbzzdd. You wouldn't shoot the messenger now would you?

I don't see how the picture up there now is any less hurtful/hateful towards my religion. I'm not asking an unreasonable act here-- could you please stop bashing my religion. I have done absolutely nothing to you, yet you continue to taunt me.

Typical creationist claptrap, refuted time and again.

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD011.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD011_1.html

So you are saying that EVERY SINGLE scientist that believe in Creationism has used Carbon Dating incorrectly thereby invalidating their results? That is a tall claim to make.

Evolution is not the antithesis of Christianity, nor is the duration of a theory's existence any positive indicator of its correlation with reality.

By the way, nobody has proven the Tooth Fairy wrong. Do you believe in it, too?

So if I came up with a good theory today and said I believe this above all else and posted it here. I could trump it up that it has been around a whole day? Unless I am mistaken, you are saying that proven throughout length of time (or lack of being disproven) is irrelevant?

I saw no such argument supplied in this thread, and the fact remains, that there is no debate about evolution anymore. The scientists do not investigate its reality anymore, but rather they investigate the details of its reality, since its reality is no longer a question.

I replied with a counter argument. Why has no one been able to argue back against it other than say things such as "Only someone out of their mind would believe that".

Additionally, by saying that it is reality, you are then claiming that there is no room for error. I am typing on this keyboard, that is fact, and therefore reality. Sorry but evolution isn't a reality, it is a theory. That is, after all, why it is called "The Theory Of Evolution".

You do not understand what I meant by "error theory," and that is, an explanation why we must be so wrong in the face of the overwhelming evidence. We did have an error theory when we explained why people believed the earth to be flat, which is why your analogy is as inept as the rest of your "reasoning."

Calling me inept again? I haven't attacked you once, yet the "ad hominem" logical fallacy is like your best friend when speaking to me.

Why would you need an error theory when there is absolute truth. Again, I am typing on this keyboard. There is no error value, I am doing it! If there is an error factor, that implies that there is a chance it could be wrong-- Christianity has no error factor because God is never wrong.

It has become obvious to me that the way things "seem" to you rarely coincides with reality.

I don't see why not. I made a perfectly valid point. By saying "The intellectual debate is already won" that implies that he believes that his "Theory of Evolution" is infallible. If it is already won how is there a chance that it could lose.

It's not that you have problems because you believe in God. Plenty of people believe in God and see no need to turn a blind eye to simple facts about reality. No, you have problems because you apparently cannot reason soundly, and it causes you to revel in ignorance.

And all of the requisite "proof" you need can be found on any number of reputable websites. I suggest you educate yourself on http://talkorigins.org/

I haven't turned a blind eye to anything in reality. Evolution; however, is a theory.

I sighted specific examples from my beliefs text that prove Evolution wrong. Instead of giving me the entire theory in one lump of Web Pages, perhaps you could pull out the articles that directly argue against my arguments.

-Kevin

 

[BudAshes]

Why are you so sensitive about your religion? If you actually knew the truth then you wouldn't give a damn what anyone else said or did, you are guaranteed a spot in heaven anyway. In fact you might as well go blow yourself up in a holy war to get their faster.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Guys, if you have seen the other posts in OT then you know I am dealing with a lot right now. I want to continue debating, though debating against 10 at once is a bit overwhelming, but I am completely drained. I would love to continue debating this over PM.

Right now I have to rest...

-Kevin