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So I want to become a teacher

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Originally posted by: Cheesetogo
Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Originally posted by: DVad3r
Originally posted by: bignateyk
Also, why do you want to become a teacher? It's a lot more work than most people think, and a lot of places don't even get the summer off anymore. You'll be working 10 hour days, and then grading papers/homework on top of that when you go home at night. Not only that, but you get the added joy of standing on your feet all day long dealing with annoying high school kids.

LOL are you insane? Try 6 hour days, including breaks and lunch. 4 peroids in a high school and one of those is a spare for you to prepare lessons/mark etc. Christmas break is 2 weeks off, March break is a week off, if you are in a Catholic school you get another 5 days off in April for Easter. You also get 2 months off during the summer. It's unheard of that a teacher in elementary/high school wouldn't get their summers or breaks.

Also it depends on your teaching style, you can make things in the classroom difficult for yourself or easy, good teachers make days go by like a breeze.

Yo, nerdboy, you're wrong. Very, very wrong. You sound like an angry high school freshman. Four periods? Six hour days? Move along, moron.

My school effectively had 4 periods. Technically, there were 8, but it came out to be 4 1.5 hour blocks of teaching time. Then there was a 35 minute lunch period and a 35 minute study hall. He's off by a bit on the time, but I'm not sure why you're calling him a moron.

A high school I was at the other day, 8:40 am start time, 4 peroids, 35 minute lunch in the middle, 3rd peroid spare prep time, and 4th peroid ends at 2:50. Home time. Daily rate of pay $ 186.17. So, I will do some rough math here. 6 hour work day, minus 35 minutes for lunch, minus 1 hour and 25 minutes for spare, turns into a 4 hour work day. 186.17 divided by 4 = $ 46.54 per hour technically. In a 10 month school year Ill make around 37 grand as a supply, but I also get income tax returns and unemployment over the summer and breaks which will even out at around 45 k per year. Being full time your salary almost doubles, but obviously you have to put in extra effort when it comes to marking and extra cirricular activities.

Teachers can do after school programs if there is a demand for it but they get paid extra for that. Also you have the option of teaching night school, summer school, where you can rack in some serious extra cash.

It's a great gig.

Also another thing Id like to point out is that college staff makes no where near the numbers elementary/high school teachers make. All the colleges are private and most of the staff there work on contracts. No union, no sickdays, no benefits. They are slaving it out compared to what we do. Only university head profs that are hired full time get paid good, the others are treated like rabid dogs. Look what happened with York University recently, they are or were on strike for a good month.
 
I was a miserable patent attorney in a big law firm. Went in-house six years ago and am much happier. Some smaller firms or going solo (if you can get the work flowing) can be nice too. I'm missing out on the possibility of partnership and the big money that could bring, but didn't have to take much of a salary hit.

If you really want to be a teacher, find a way to make it work. Move somewhere cheaper. Adjust your expectations. Those golden handcuffs aren't actually locked. Life is too short to be unhappy.
 
Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Originally posted by: DVad3r
Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
I'm attacking you because you made a baseless statement that is rooted in bitterness.

Baseless in his personal experience? The fact that his preempted his entire statement by mentioning he's in Canada? Bitter by his excitement to become fulltime while pointing out the current benefits to being a sub/supply?

STFU tool. If anyone's making statements rooted in bitterness or resentment it's you.

Really? I am?!?!?! Canda never came up until the second page - and even then, anyone who approaches the thought that teachers dont work very hard is a douche. Is that you? Tool.

Do you work in the school system? Honestly what the fuck do you know? Some teachers slack and have it super easy, and still get paid like everyone else. There are up's and down's of every profession. Despite how being a teacher in America sucks, I am sure there are a bunch that don't do fuck all, and milk the system for what it's worth. You are making teaching sound like it's a science and everyone who works in the profession works their asses off. I don't speak for myself because I actually do work, but believe me, that's not the case for many.

I do. And from what I've seen you're an aide. Sounds to me like an aide who is mad at a teacher whom you don't think works hard enough but an aide nonetheless.

Peon? What the fuck is this, Feudal Europe?

Aide? What is that? Peon, it's Warcraft 3 awesome dude!

http://war3.incgamers.com/uploads/09449.peon.jpg

You sound like a stuck up teacher, god I'd hate to be in your class.

But you are right about the "other teachers" not working hard enough part, I could name you 30 off the top of my head that dick around through the whole day pretending to work making 90 k a year. Are you trying to defend them? Hmm it seems you are, sounds like we have a slacker on our hands here ladies and gentlemen.

😉

 
Originally posted by: DVad3r
Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Originally posted by: DVad3r
Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
I'm attacking you because you made a baseless statement that is rooted in bitterness.

Baseless in his personal experience? The fact that his preempted his entire statement by mentioning he's in Canada? Bitter by his excitement to become fulltime while pointing out the current benefits to being a sub/supply?

STFU tool. If anyone's making statements rooted in bitterness or resentment it's you.

Really? I am?!?!?! Canda never came up until the second page - and even then, anyone who approaches the thought that teachers dont work very hard is a douche. Is that you? Tool.

Do you work in the school system? Honestly what the fuck do you know? Some teachers slack and have it super easy, and still get paid like everyone else. There are up's and down's of every profession. Despite how being a teacher in America sucks, I am sure there are a bunch that don't do fuck all, and milk the system for what it's worth. You are making teaching sound like it's a science and everyone who works in the profession works their asses off. I don't speak for myself because I actually do work, but believe me, that's not the case for many.

I do. And from what I've seen you're an aide. Sounds to me like an aide who is mad at a teacher whom you don't think works hard enough but an aide nonetheless.

Peon? What the fuck is this, Feudal Europe?

Aide? What is that? Peon, it's Warcraft 3 awesome dude!

http://war3.incgamers.com/uploads/09449.peon.jpg

You sound like a stuck up teacher, god I'd hate to be in your class.

But you are right about the "other teachers" not working hard enough part, I could name you 30 off the top of my head that dick around through the whole day pretending to work making 90 k a year. Are you trying to defend them? Hmm it seems you are, sounds like we have a slacker on our hands here ladies and gentlemen.

😉

I'm not defending anyone who doesn't work hard! In my experience, every teacher I've ever met, family included, busts their ass for their students, every day, nearly all day. So to say that they "have it easy," is totally wrong.

However, maybe they DO have it easy in Canada - I don't know. Maybe you don't have to deal with students that have a host of problems, crazy ass parents, incompetent administrators and so forth. If that's the case - when can I move there?
 
Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Originally posted by: DVad3r
Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Originally posted by: DVad3r
Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
I'm attacking you because you made a baseless statement that is rooted in bitterness.

Baseless in his personal experience? The fact that his preempted his entire statement by mentioning he's in Canada? Bitter by his excitement to become fulltime while pointing out the current benefits to being a sub/supply?

STFU tool. If anyone's making statements rooted in bitterness or resentment it's you.

Really? I am?!?!?! Canda never came up until the second page - and even then, anyone who approaches the thought that teachers dont work very hard is a douche. Is that you? Tool.

Do you work in the school system? Honestly what the fuck do you know? Some teachers slack and have it super easy, and still get paid like everyone else. There are up's and down's of every profession. Despite how being a teacher in America sucks, I am sure there are a bunch that don't do fuck all, and milk the system for what it's worth. You are making teaching sound like it's a science and everyone who works in the profession works their asses off. I don't speak for myself because I actually do work, but believe me, that's not the case for many.

I do. And from what I've seen you're an aide. Sounds to me like an aide who is mad at a teacher whom you don't think works hard enough but an aide nonetheless.

Peon? What the fuck is this, Feudal Europe?

Aide? What is that? Peon, it's Warcraft 3 awesome dude!

http://war3.incgamers.com/uploads/09449.peon.jpg

You sound like a stuck up teacher, god I'd hate to be in your class.

But you are right about the "other teachers" not working hard enough part, I could name you 30 off the top of my head that dick around through the whole day pretending to work making 90 k a year. Are you trying to defend them? Hmm it seems you are, sounds like we have a slacker on our hands here ladies and gentlemen.

😉

I'm not defending anyone who doesn't work hard! In my experience, every teacher I've ever met, family included, busts their ass for their students, every day, nearly all day. So to say that they "have it easy," is totally wrong.

However, maybe they DO have it easy in Canada - I don't know. Maybe you don't have to deal with students that have a host of problems, crazy ass parents, incompetent administrators and so forth. If that's the case - when can I move there?

We deal with the same problems you do, and being in a major city we have all kinds of students, from all walks of life. We have student's in gangs, drug dealers, behavioural students, developmentally delayed students, you name it we got it. Parents are absolutely insane and the biggest fear for any teacher. The administration is a joke and it's never on your side, they will be the first ones to toss you out to cover their own asses.

I wish my school system was similar to yours where every teacher busts their ass and tries hard, but that's not the case here, and I wouldn't even mention it if it wasn't how I generally felt about the situation. I've supplied at too many schools and seen different kinds of staff to know who has it hard and who doesn't.

I won't use any examples of my own to clarify "not working hard" due to confedentiality since you know what board I work for, but believe me, you would be amazed at what some of these people do and what they actually get paid for. It's not coincidence that we are one of the best countries in the world to live in yet have some of the worst educational scores in the world. If you didn't figure it out already, Canada is famous for that 🙂

Many colleges/universities had to lower their requirements for acceptance due to the low scores students were coming out of high school with simply because there would be no one to attend if they kept the same. It's sad but that's life.

 
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: soxfan
As the title says, I want to become a teacher some day (hjopefully soon). The problem is that I am a patent attorney now and am used to my income. If I were to teach highschool, I would be looking at about a 75% pay cut, which is not going to pay my bills (mainly my mortgage).

Anyone know of any education related jobs that are a bit higher paying than a straight up teacher? I'm not looking for anything extravagent. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 60-70k would be perfect.

do you really dislike what you are doing right now that much?

can't you do both some teaching and some attorney work?

It's not that I dislike what I am doing. I actually like some aspects of it. The problem is I am getting really, really sick of the schedule. The least amount of work I can do is 2000 billables, but the last few years I have been up around 2200 billables with another 200-300 socked away in non-billable firm related activity. That means I work 12 weeks more time then most folks.

 
Originally posted by: bignateyk
Also, why do you want to become a teacher? It's a lot more work than most people think, and a lot of places don't even get the summer off anymore. You'll be working 10 hour days, and then grading papers/homework on top of that when you go home at night. Not only that, but you get the added joy of standing on your feet all day long dealing with annoying high school kids.

I want to become a teacher because teaching people new things is the one thing I a) am passionate about; b) really enjoy; and c) am good at. I have no problem admitting that I am probably not the greatest lawyer around (I am good patent prosecutor, but my expertise ends there). But I can explain just about anything complicated to anyone (which is why one other career I have started to contemplate is technical writing).

I've also spent more time thinking about how we could fix the educational problems in this country than just about any other political and socioeconomical issue around. This is particulrly true with respect to the growing lack of interest in the hard sciences. I am convinced that this general lack of interest could be at least partially corrected if a scientific curriculum were designed so that the subject matter of the class was immediately related to real world things. E.g., few high schoolers give a rats a$$ about molecular vibration. But if the teacher were to relate that principal to something in real life, e.g., the use of molecular vibration to heat food in a microwave, it is more likely the kid will be interested and pay attention.

So in a nutshell, thats it. I don't mind working hard (few people spend as much time at work as I do now), but I would rather work where I can make some sort of difference, where there is a tangible and more immediate reward for all parties involved, and where I actually feel some pride for what I do.

 
Originally posted by: RKS
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: soxfan
As the title says, I want to become a teacher some day (hjopefully soon). The problem is that I am a patent attorney now and am used to my income. If I were to teach highschool, I would be looking at about a 75% pay cut, which is not going to pay my bills (mainly my mortgage).

Anyone know of any education related jobs that are a bit higher paying than a straight up teacher? I'm not looking for anything extravagent. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 60-70k would be perfect.

do you really dislike what you are doing right now that much?

can't you do both some teaching and some attorney work?


He stated he needed 2000 billable hours this alone is 40 hours/week (with 2 week vacation) but in order to have 40 billable hours/week he probably needs to work between 50-60 hours every week. That might cramp any teaching aspirations.

BTW OP, I talked to people at firms that require 2500-2800 in billable hours. :laugh:

And they are there because?

Your post goes to the heart of the problem with the modern law firm's economic model. You could have more, happier, and lower paid lawyers and still get the work done. Fixed costs would raise a bit per associate sure, but if you ask an associate to internalize some of the cost of health care (like other businesses), then the overall profitability of a firm would not go down that significantly.

Maybe I will open my own firm someday.



 
Originally posted by: ebaycj
Originally posted by: soxfan
As the title says, I want to become a teacher some day (hjopefully soon). The problem is that I am a patent attorney now and am used to my income. If I were to teach highschool, I would be looking at about a 75% pay cut, which is not going to pay my bills (mainly my mortgage).

Anyone know of any education related jobs that are a bit higher paying than a straight up teacher? I'm not looking for anything extravagent. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 60-70k would be perfect.

You are obviously retarded.

Put your time in, as others have said it's actually low, some firms require WAY more than 2000 billable hours. Become a partner in your firm and then enjoy your massive salary / bonus / time off.

Being a teacher is thankless work for little pay and is not at all worth it.

Yes, I'm retarded because I would like to spend more time with my family doing a job that I am good at and which I think is actually rewarding, as opposed to slaving for a company that really doesn't care who I am, just that I produce. I guess I should just start asking if anyone has seen my besbol.

2000 billables in patent prosecution is not low. If you had any clue what is involved with the position you would realize that. I will say that if I did litigation, 2000 billable would be no problem. I've workled litigations where I have billed 360 hours in a month. If you don't understand why that lifestyle sucks too that I would look in the mirror to check for foreign objects lodged in any of the may orifices in your skull.



 
Originally posted by: bobross419
Something that you should consider looking into if you are computer literate is a university/community college level professor. Most of these institutions offer online classes and many of them utilize WebCT, Blackboard, or Angel (There are probably other systems used, but should have the same functionality). With all three of these systems you can basically setup the courses to run themselves. Aside from essay and short answer questions you can set the quizzes and assignments to automatically grade themselves. You can set release and due dates for individual assignments, information, and tests.

As long as you are available via email (or the course management software's mail system) you can teach these classes.

For the most part you would be teaching 3 or 4 sections of the same class(es). You could spend a single weekend setting up one of these then clone the course. Instead of setting up 4 individual classes you just setup one.

If I had the degrees and experience to do this I would totally jump on this.

This is something I have not thought of. I am quite computer literate, as I have been programming since my mother bought a C64 when I was 6.
 
Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Originally posted by: maziwanka
Originally posted by: ebaycj
Originally posted by: soxfan
As the title says, I want to become a teacher some day (hjopefully soon). The problem is that I am a patent attorney now and am used to my income. If I were to teach highschool, I would be looking at about a 75% pay cut, which is not going to pay my bills (mainly my mortgage).

Anyone know of any education related jobs that are a bit higher paying than a straight up teacher? I'm not looking for anything extravagent. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 60-70k would be perfect.

You are obviously retarded.

Put your time in, as others have said it's actually low, some firms require WAY more than 2000 billable hours. Become a partner in your firm and then enjoy your massive salary / bonus / time off.

Being a teacher is thankless work for little pay and is not at all worth it.

yea not really. you get paid well for what you do. tons of teachers are overpaid for what they do

You wanna back that up?

Holy schnikees. Take it outside, gentlemen.
 
Originally posted by: HumblePie
When it comes to teaching and pay, it depends on WHAT you want to teach and what you are qualified for really.

If you are looking to go into public school teaching, elem through high school ,and want to make decent money you need to be a teacher of subjects that matter.

Actually, just stay away from elementary schools, since that is general education teaching and is usually quite low paying.

Get a high school job and either teach one of these subjects: upper math courses such as calculus or trig, upper science courses such as physics, upper computer courses such as junior or senior level computer science, or a sports coach for a prominent sports school.

Why only those? Well statistically, the majority of people who want to teach are female. It's just mainly a female dominated vocation. As such, the majority of females by nature of the female brain typically are not good with math, science, or computer course. Nor are they usually cut out to be big football coaches. I am NOT saying all females, because my high school computer science teacher who was brilliant was a female. I'm just saying that the VAST majority of female teachers are not good at that subject.

This means if you want to teach English, Art, Music, History, a foreign language, or some other such subject which females typically excel at, then you are going to be on a LONG waiting list for a crappy job with little pay.

It's all supply and demand.

I remember right before I got my current job a long while back, I was looking for work to do and almost went into teaching. All the schools around Texas were basically looking for teachers in the aforementioned subjects that are typically math heavy, and not for other subjects. Many schools post on their websites starting wages based on subjects. The math ones typically started 50% to 200% more in base pay. If the school was a good one and actually payed decent money for all subjects, such as 40K+ starting for English for example, the waiting list to be an English teacher was typically FIVE YEARS. I'm serious. However, if you were qualified to teach mechanical physics, you could start between 60K and 80K, depending on other factors and qualifications, and start within weeks. No teacher degree or certification needed.

However, if you didn't have a teachers degree or state certification, then your first year of teaching was to "earn" your certification by being "mentored" for it. In reality this means that you are a teacher, but you have to be mentored into it and pay a mentoring fee which comes out of your paycheck. It's not much, but this way you can start teaching immediately usually.

Actually, if you were looking to teach for a highly critical subject for a highly dangerous school.. you could even earn more. Teaching for the "big" and "nice" and "rich" schools typically means LESS pay for a teacher. Teaching for a school known to put many kids into JV or eventually jail can double or triple your salary base. Assuming the risk is worth it to you, then you could make a lot of money for a couple years there, earn your certificate, and move on to somewhere else you liked better if you wanted too.



All that info above was info I gathered when I was looking into teaching for a public school. My original conclusion was if I really wanted to teach, just get a real 40 hour a week job and teach college courses on nights or weekends. Make more money that way and still get the "satisfaction" of being a teacher if that is what you are aiming for.


Thanks for your comments. At the highschool level, I could easily teach chemistry, math, or physics. Last I checked, those were in demand subjects.


 
Originally posted by: Dirigible
I was a miserable patent attorney in a big law firm. Went in-house six years ago and am much happier. Some smaller firms or going solo (if you can get the work flowing) can be nice too. I'm missing out on the possibility of partnership and the big money that could bring, but didn't have to take much of a salary hit.

If you really want to be a teacher, find a way to make it work. Move somewhere cheaper. Adjust your expectations. Those golden handcuffs aren't actually locked. Life is too short to be unhappy.

Thanks, I agree with everything you said. I am considering moving to a smaller firm first to see how things go. There are some in my area with lower billable requirements and which are more family friendly.

As for partnership, someone once told me that becoming a partner in a patent law firm is like winning a pie eating contest where the prize is more pie. Sure, you get paid more, but you work a hell of a lot more too.
 
Originally posted by: JS80
Why would you want to be a loser? I guess it's a step up from being the devil.

How is being a teacher equivalent to being a loser? Is it because they are paid less? Some of the most successful and revered people in the world were teachers who were paid next to nothing (e.g., Gandhi). Money is not all it is cracked up to be my friend. When you realize how hard you have to work to make a lot of it, you will understand.
 
Originally posted by: soxfan
Originally posted by: Dirigible
I was a miserable patent attorney in a big law firm. Went in-house six years ago and am much happier. Some smaller firms or going solo (if you can get the work flowing) can be nice too. I'm missing out on the possibility of partnership and the big money that could bring, but didn't have to take much of a salary hit.

If you really want to be a teacher, find a way to make it work. Move somewhere cheaper. Adjust your expectations. Those golden handcuffs aren't actually locked. Life is too short to be unhappy.

Thanks, I agree with everything you said. I am considering moving to a smaller firm first to see how things go. There are some in my area with lower billable requirements and which are more family friendly.

As for partnership, someone once told me that becoming a partner in a patent law firm is like winning a pie eating contest where the prize is more pie. Sure, you get paid more, but you work a hell of a lot more too.

Make sure you choose very carefully. A small firm is hugely shaped by the personalities of the partners. You've got to have a good fit.

Good luck with whatever you do, soxfan!
 
Ignore the status whores and follow your gut instinct. You only live once and some people aren't meant to follow a single track in life. I worked as an attorney for several years and was miserable, then decided to teach overseas for a while. It was like re-discovering living for me.
 
Funny, I'm a computer engineer who also wishes he could teach, but is NOT willing to accept the pay cut. 🙂

Have you considered working until you pay off your nice house, and then switching?
 
Originally posted by: CptObvious
Ignore the status whores and follow your gut instinct. You only live once and some people aren't meant to follow a single track in life. I worked as an attorney for several years and was miserable, then decided to teach overseas for a while. It was like re-discovering living for me.

:thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: soxfan
As the title says, I want to become a teacher some day (hjopefully soon). The problem is that I am a patent attorney now and am used to my income. If I were to teach highschool, I would be looking at about a 75% pay cut, which is not going to pay my bills (mainly my mortgage).

Anyone know of any education related jobs that are a bit higher paying than a straight up teacher? I'm not looking for anything extravagent. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 60-70k would be perfect.

nyc teachers get $70k :Q
 
Originally posted by: JEDI
Originally posted by: soxfan
As the title says, I want to become a teacher some day (hjopefully soon). The problem is that I am a patent attorney now and am used to my income. If I were to teach highschool, I would be looking at about a 75% pay cut, which is not going to pay my bills (mainly my mortgage).

Anyone know of any education related jobs that are a bit higher paying than a straight up teacher? I'm not looking for anything extravagent. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 60-70k would be perfect.

nyc teachers get $70k :Q

Only with a Masters or more after 15 years experience.

NYC teacher pay
 
Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Originally posted by: JEDI
Originally posted by: soxfan
As the title says, I want to become a teacher some day (hjopefully soon). The problem is that I am a patent attorney now and am used to my income. If I were to teach highschool, I would be looking at about a 75% pay cut, which is not going to pay my bills (mainly my mortgage).

Anyone know of any education related jobs that are a bit higher paying than a straight up teacher? I'm not looking for anything extravagent. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 60-70k would be perfect.

nyc teachers get $70k :Q

Only with a Masters or more after 15 years experience.

NYC teacher pay

in nyc, i thought you MUST have a masters degree by yr5, or your out???

and how do u read that chart?!
 
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