I am not defending the action. I don't like hearing about people getting off the hook because they have a family member who gave them a PBA card. It's just the reality of the situation.
I am not defending the action. I don't like hearing about people getting off the hook because they have a family member who gave them a PBA card. It's just the reality of the situation.
It really wasn't the status...
Most police officers will tell you, if your not a complete jackass or prick they will let you off with little fine or a warning..
Before he left he said, I'm not here to try and kill everyone will fines.. Just becareful and slow down.
WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY DONT I HEVER FREAKING LUCK LIKE THAT??? :|:|:|:|
I do have a question....
Do you think since he didn't write me a ticket, ( I just have to mail in some money ) that my plates and what not, would NOT be on file...
Not that I plan on getting pulled over or anything but... Just wondering...
Do you think since he didn't write me a ticket, ( I just have to mail in some money ) that my plates and what not, would NOT be on file...
Not that I plan on getting pulled over or anything but... Just wondering...
Originally posted by: jumpr
Does everyone who commits murder get an equal sentence? No, some get life in prison, and others get the death penalty. Does everyone who commits domestic assault get equal punishment? No, some get probation and others get 2-3 months in the slammer. It's not about equal enforcement. The point of speeding tickets (and laws in general) is to DETER people from speeding.Originally posted by: isaacmacdonald
Originally posted by: bjc112
Originally posted by: isaacmacdonald
Originally posted by: bjc112
Oh absolutely... $ 30 bucs ( i'll take that anyday over what could have happened )
What law didn't i break
I am very lucky.
yeah. that's fvcked up. what kind of equal enforcement is that???? yay, my uncles a fvcking cop so I'm above the law. Sad but true.
No, it really wasn't because my unlce was a cop, he was just an overall nice guy.. And he told me on my way home, if you decide to speed and get pulled over, tell them that i just pulled you over and to call me.. I'll tell them your a nice guy.
That's really of little importance here. The issue here is equal enforcement. Stories like this make me beg for those unbaised automated ticketing devices that give everyone tickets. It's not that I want everyone to get fvcked, but rather that I think equal enforcement is key if we want to have laws that accurately reflect the needs of the people.
If police departments in the U.S. decided to ticket EVERYONE who sped, it would cost billions of dollars in extra officers, development of ACCURATE speed-gauging/photographing/printing/accounting/processing equipment, in addition to having tens of thousands of extra law enforcement officers on the road. It's not worth it, for the limited compliance to traffic laws that would result. Nothing will ever force Americans to stop speeding. Any solution that purportedly would stop speeding would come under fire for the invasions of privacy that it would inevitably commit (see also: red light cameras). The threat of getting a ticket SHOULD be enough for most people. And for me, it works. I don't speed. Period. I've also never gotten a traffic ticket. Personally, I'd like to see speeding tickets raised to $500-$700 each. That, I think, would result in a MUCH higher compliance rate with traffic laws.
I think I talked with you about this once before.
Presumably, everyone who can be proven to have murdered other people will be charged with murder. That's what I'm talking about (your example is more akin to the part where you plead not guilty on the ticket and the DA reduces the ticket in an attempt to expedite the process). There are plenty of places where automated ticketing devices have been successfully deployed. (edit: I should add that they've been tremendously successfull in increasing compliance in places like brazil where these devices are now used)
I don't buy the deterence argument. The fines are annoying, but certainly not high enough to make up for the low frequency approach taken to enforcement. I would support your idea of vastly increasing ticket costs primarily because I think it would achieve pretty much the same thing as high frequency enforcement, that being democratic pressure to legislate laws that accurately reflect safety.
*** one last edit
After rereading your post, I find it very disturbing that you're suggesting police officers should be adjudicating. Their job is not to dispense justice, but to enforce laws.
While i agree with that some what, it's stupid over-punish for crimes such as speeding, while they want to let people convicted of murder off easy.
If you are going to hit people hard on the penalty of speeding, then there should be a much higher execution rate in this country.
KK
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Originally posted by: isaacmacdonald
Originally posted by: jumpr
Does everyone who commits murder get an equal sentence? No, some get life in prison, and others get the death penalty. Does everyone who commits domestic assault get equal punishment? No, some get probation and others get 2-3 months in the slammer. It's not about equal enforcement. The point of speeding tickets (and laws in general) is to DETER people from speeding.Originally posted by: isaacmacdonald
Originally posted by: bjc112
Originally posted by: isaacmacdonald
Originally posted by: bjc112
Oh absolutely... $ 30 bucs ( i'll take that anyday over what could have happened )
What law didn't i break
I am very lucky.
yeah. that's fvcked up. what kind of equal enforcement is that???? yay, my uncles a fvcking cop so I'm above the law. Sad but true.
No, it really wasn't because my unlce was a cop, he was just an overall nice guy.. And he told me on my way home, if you decide to speed and get pulled over, tell them that i just pulled you over and to call me.. I'll tell them your a nice guy.
That's really of little importance here. The issue here is equal enforcement. Stories like this make me beg for those unbaised automated ticketing devices that give everyone tickets. It's not that I want everyone to get fvcked, but rather that I think equal enforcement is key if we want to have laws that accurately reflect the needs of the people.
If police departments in the U.S. decided to ticket EVERYONE who sped, it would cost billions of dollars in extra officers, development of ACCURATE speed-gauging/photographing/printing/accounting/processing equipment, in addition to having tens of thousands of extra law enforcement officers on the road. It's not worth it, for the limited compliance to traffic laws that would result. Nothing will ever force Americans to stop speeding. Any solution that purportedly would stop speeding would come under fire for the invasions of privacy that it would inevitably commit (see also: red light cameras). The threat of getting a ticket SHOULD be enough for most people. And for me, it works. I don't speed. Period. I've also never gotten a traffic ticket. Personally, I'd like to see speeding tickets raised to $500-$700 each. That, I think, would result in a MUCH higher compliance rate with traffic laws.
I think I talked with you about this once before.
Presumably, everyone who can be proven to have murdered other people will be charged with murder. That's what I'm talking about (your example is more akin to the part where you plead not guilty on the ticket and the DA reduces the ticket in an attempt to expedite the process). There are plenty of places where automated ticketing devices have been successfully deployed. (edit: I should add that they've been tremendously successfull in increasing compliance in places like brazil where these devices are now used)
I don't buy the deterence argument. The fines are annoying, but certainly not high enough to make up for the low frequency approach taken to enforcement. I would support your idea of vastly increasing ticket costs primarily because I think it would achieve pretty much the same thing as high frequency enforcement, that being democratic pressure to legislate laws that accurately reflect safety.
*** one last edit
After rereading your post, I find it very disturbing that you're suggesting police officers should be adjudicating. Their job is not to dispense justice, but to enforce laws.
Did you not watch Andy Griffith that one time when they have this young rookie cop who didn't take into account the person, he just saw everything in black and white. You must be for zero-tolerance in schools also.
KK
Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: isaacmacdonald
Originally posted by: jumpr
Does everyone who commits murder get an equal sentence? No, some get life in prison, and others get the death penalty. Does everyone who commits domestic assault get equal punishment? No, some get probation and others get 2-3 months in the slammer. It's not about equal enforcement. The point of speeding tickets (and laws in general) is to DETER people from speeding.Originally posted by: isaacmacdonald
Originally posted by: bjc112
Originally posted by: isaacmacdonald
Originally posted by: bjc112
Oh absolutely... $ 30 bucs ( i'll take that anyday over what could have happened )
What law didn't i break
I am very lucky.
yeah. that's fvcked up. what kind of equal enforcement is that???? yay, my uncles a fvcking cop so I'm above the law. Sad but true.
No, it really wasn't because my unlce was a cop, he was just an overall nice guy.. And he told me on my way home, if you decide to speed and get pulled over, tell them that i just pulled you over and to call me.. I'll tell them your a nice guy.
That's really of little importance here. The issue here is equal enforcement. Stories like this make me beg for those unbaised automated ticketing devices that give everyone tickets. It's not that I want everyone to get fvcked, but rather that I think equal enforcement is key if we want to have laws that accurately reflect the needs of the people.
If police departments in the U.S. decided to ticket EVERYONE who sped, it would cost billions of dollars in extra officers, development of ACCURATE speed-gauging/photographing/printing/accounting/processing equipment, in addition to having tens of thousands of extra law enforcement officers on the road. It's not worth it, for the limited compliance to traffic laws that would result. Nothing will ever force Americans to stop speeding. Any solution that purportedly would stop speeding would come under fire for the invasions of privacy that it would inevitably commit (see also: red light cameras). The threat of getting a ticket SHOULD be enough for most people. And for me, it works. I don't speed. Period. I've also never gotten a traffic ticket. Personally, I'd like to see speeding tickets raised to $500-$700 each. That, I think, would result in a MUCH higher compliance rate with traffic laws.
I think I talked with you about this once before.
Presumably, everyone who can be proven to have murdered other people will be charged with murder. That's what I'm talking about (your example is more akin to the part where you plead not guilty on the ticket and the DA reduces the ticket in an attempt to expedite the process). There are plenty of places where automated ticketing devices have been successfully deployed. (edit: I should add that they've been tremendously successfull in increasing compliance in places like brazil where these devices are now used)
I don't buy the deterence argument. The fines are annoying, but certainly not high enough to make up for the low frequency approach taken to enforcement. I would support your idea of vastly increasing ticket costs primarily because I think it would achieve pretty much the same thing as high frequency enforcement, that being democratic pressure to legislate laws that accurately reflect safety.
*** one last edit
After rereading your post, I find it very disturbing that you're suggesting police officers should be adjudicating. Their job is not to dispense justice, but to enforce laws.
Did you not watch Andy Griffith that one time when they have this young rookie cop who didn't take into account the person, he just saw everything in black and white. You must be for zero-tolerance in schools also.
KK
Zero-Tolerance is good in some ways and not too good in a LOT of ways...
Same goes for cops..
IF your not an a$$hole and your fairly nice, you can get off from a lot of things.
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