So I had a union grievance filed against me....

[meltdown75]

People complaining about lazy Union workers while posting here on their employers dime FTW:biggrin:

lol no doubt

 

[nerp]

Organized labor served workers well when they had no rights and horrible work conditions and no pay. The pendulum has swung in the opposite direction. It used to be that being a state worker or teacher meant accepting a much lower rate of pay than someone in the private sector. Today, especially with the current state of the economy, a state job is quite lucrative and the benefits are often astoundingly good. Free healthcare for life anyone?

I think we'll see an inevitable swinging of the pendulum in the opposite direction.

 

[bignateyk]

People complaining about lazy Union workers while posting here on their employers dime FTW:biggrin:

The difference is I don't post here while there are people waiting for me to get things done.

If I filed a request and they came and did the work the same day for simple tasks like moving boxes, or within the week for "complex" tasks like running cable, then I wouldn't give a shit, but when they take 50 breaks a day, and sit around bullshitting for half of the time they aren't on break, and then take 2 months to fulfill a work order, then I get pissed.

A similar situation would be if I sat here and surfed the web and posted on forums all day while a coworker was waiting on me to put together a circuit or write some code.

 

[Brainonska511]

Would they bitch if you removed everything from the box and carried that over while leaving the box in storage?

 

[Adrenaline]

That's what pisses me off so much. If the lazy bastards would actually DO the job in a timely fashion I wouldn't have a problem calling them.

Last year I put in a request to run some cable 15 feet through the ceiling and it took them over 2 months to get around to doing it. I could have done it myself in 30 minutes. When they actually got around to doing it, it took them half the day, and they took "breaks" every half hour.

The job requires a work order and you negated that part of the process. Union people have a contract to go by and salaried people have to adhere to it also.

If they don't complain about everything (from the big to the small) then management will do what they can to get over on the Union at every opportunity.

 

[Platypus]

lol unions

 

[meltdown75]

lunions

 

[dartworth]

Someone tell me what the point of organized labor is again? I would think that it would be "he who wants a paycheck will do the requested job." It's no wonder the US economy is going to the shitter.

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[destrekor]

Unions protect the weak, sometimes for the better, sometimes not.

When the union is looking out for the 'little guy' who has little or no power in bargaining against an employer who'd be totally cutthroat otherwise, it's a good thing.

When the union protects an obsolete job or a substandard worker, just for the sake of protecting it, and the company suffers for it, it's a terrible thing.

It used to be that a union card meant that you were a professional in your trade, experienced and well-qualified for the work you'd do, almost a guarantee of quality work. In many unions, that's gone away over the last 30 years, and they're just interested in collecting dues. It remains true in other unions, but with some unions being tainted, the reputation of high integrity unions is suffering through no fault of their own.

Seriously. Some of the biggest Unions, definitely deserve to exist.
The various UAW organizations, for example, while they introduce their own fair share of problems, in the end are a good concept just need a little tweaking.

Unions for employees of a grocery store? Fuck that. People from time to time strike outside of another grocery store because it is, OMG, a Non-Union store! How dare they!

 

[edro]

Unions were great when there was no government regulation.
Now, they are worthless and completely against Capitalism.

 

[Fritzo]

Heh---if I were ever in a union again I'd shoot myself. They're a big reason the US is so inefficient.

 

[dartworth]

They're a big reason the US is so inefficient.

The US workforce is about 12% union...the US is inefficient because of 12%?

 

[destrekor]

Organized labor served workers well when they had no rights and horrible work conditions and no pay. The pendulum has swung in the opposite direction. It used to be that being a state worker or teacher meant accepting a much lower rate of pay than someone in the private sector. Today, especially with the current state of the economy, a state job is quite lucrative and the benefits are often astoundingly good. Free healthcare for life anyone?

I think we'll see an inevitable swinging of the pendulum in the opposite direction.

eventually, yes.

All over Europe and the U.S. there were strikes and violence and a general uprising of the populace demanding better rights for workers.
What happened? Over time, Labor Parties gained a great deal of power as people voted for their representation to secure workers' rights.
What's been slowly coming into focus in the past few decades, probably to explode in our faces sometime within the next few decades? The complaint that the Labor Parties of the world have grown to have far too much power. Typical fuck-the-system uprising. When there is a large system, people rise and fight against it, fighting for the small guy. When the small guy comes in, he slowly gets a ton of power, and, wait for it, eventually becomes the big system everyone hates. And there will be blood, as people cry about the system yet again.

We humans are seriously retarded. We need computers to decide how government works, because we have not as of yet actually create something that maintains itself with harmony. I don't think we can.

 

[Ausm]

Unions were great when there was no government regulation.
Now, they are worthless and completely against Capitalism.

You mean the corporate bottom line and fuck the guy who busts his ass to make you fat?

Gotcha :twisted:

 

[Kev]

People complaining about lazy Union workers while posting here on their employers dime FTW:biggrin:

Only difference being if we weren't productive otherwise, we'd be fired. Same doesn't apply to unions.

 

[ivan2]

what union is that, the union of box movers?

 

[MotF Bane]

Some Unions are great but some are their own worse enemy.

This. Generalizations suck.

 

[Capt Caveman]

A friend got in trouble with the union for carrying a computer monitor power cable from one end of a conference room to the other.

 

[dartworth]

Only difference being if we weren't productive otherwise, we'd be fired. Same doesn't apply to unions.

That is how it works in my union...you people need to get your facts straight before making all these general assumptions. Stop drinking the koolaid and do a little research.

 

[thepd7]

The job requires a work order and you negated that part of the process. Union people have a contract to go by and salaried people have to adhere to it also.

If they don't complain about everything (from the big to the small) then management will do what they can to get over on the Union at every opportunity.

You're right! In Texas we actually have to slave for 27 hours PER DAY getting paid NEGATIVE three cents an hour because we have no unions to protect us.

Wouldn't a company that wants to keep talent treat their workers correctly without the need for unions? Isn't that the idea or am I missing something or just naive.

This. I absolutely understand why unions were created and they have served a great purpose in our country, but for the most part they have outlived their usefulness.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Organized labor served workers well when they had no rights and horrible work conditions and no pay. The pendulum has swung in the opposite direction. It used to be that being a state worker or teacher meant accepting a much lower rate of pay than someone in the private sector. Today, especially with the current state of the economy, a state job is quite lucrative and the benefits are often astoundingly good. Free healthcare for life anyone?

I think we'll see an inevitable swinging of the pendulum in the opposite direction.

Are you frigging retarded? A state job MAY be lucritive but is not always. I work for a state government. As part of this we get:

* Good medical benefits (but not fantastic)
* Paid 25% under market rate (often more like 40% when you get more experience)
* We can be fired or laid off, it just takes longer than in the private sector

Yes, in some states you do get paid significantly better, but for the most part your total compensation is significantly better in the private sector, especially after having a few years of experience.

 

[Red Dawn]

Only difference being if we weren't productive otherwise, we'd be fired. Same doesn't apply to unions.

Depends on the job. For instance the Building trades usually get 2 15 minute breaks and a 1/2 hour for lunch, the rest of the time they are working.Union or not if you are fucking around you get sent packing and the Union won't lift a finger to help you if that's the case in you are a member.

On the other hand if you sit in a cubicle all day on the computer they don't know if you are working or not unless they monitor you.

Now the situation the OP talks about is ridiculous if what he is saying is true, that's why I said some Unions are their own worse enemy.

 

[Miramonti]

What might be the result of the filing of a grievance like this?

Good question, I'm curious too what becomes of getting these.

 

[CPA]

Union threads always bring up the memory of an article I once read in Houston about a local union that built a new administration building using non-union workers. Their reasoning: non-union workers were cheaper.

 

[Red Dawn]

Union threads always bring up the memory of an article I once read in Houston about a local union that built a new administration building using non-union workers. Their reasoning: non-union workers were cheaper.

Got link or are we suppose to just believe you?