Well, I think I'll give a call at lunchtime or thereabouts and see what the dealio is... if they decided to take somebody else because they took the first offer, then I wish them the best of luck -- I don't think I'd fit in a company like that because it just shows problems I'd have down the road.
They can also rescind the offer if they don't agree with the direction of the negotiations. It sounds like the offer you have on the table now is strictly verbal - it's definitely not a done deal.
That said, a follow up after a couple days is good due diligence, especially at that point in the process.
Krazy4Real
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Phoenix86
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I'd give it a couple of days. The decision on $ generally is up to the department who's budget it's coming out of. In other words, not HR. So she is going to have to take the number to your department's head for approval. This can easily take a day or more, even if she's trying to get it done as soon as possible (dept. head is out of office, busy, whatever).
edit: Good luck!!!
edit: Good luck!!!
SpunkyJones
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Yes, give them a call. Make it really, really nice - say thank you for the interview, how much you enjoyed talking to them, great wallpaper on the waiting room walls (JOKE). Then ask if there is anything more you can contribute to the hiring procedure, because you really want to work with such great people at such a good place.
If they asked ANYTHING at all that can possibly be construed as asking for more information, you can also say that you're following up on the interview and you have that new information that they asked for.
As you've noticed, this is a tough call. If you can make it sound like you're a great guy, you'll be way ahead of most people who are really awkward and uncomfortable.
Good luck.
I've always been afraid of calling to check on my application status, but follow up calls I've made almost always have gone well. I say almost always because I can't think of any that haven't gone well off the bat. Make the call.
I am a nice guy... I think that's why the manager for that department as well as everybody else was very well taken with me. I mean... they gave me back to back interviews.. it was entertaining. I had one on Friday, they said "Okay we will contact you next week as we have a few more people to see." and then like 45 minutes later they call me back and say "Haha, looks like we are calling you back sooner! Can you come in again to meet with the VP and CEO?"
I know I made a good impression, and if they want me... I think they have to pay me a fair rate. What I'm asking isn't unfair, especially based on the location.
I know I made a good impression, and if they want me... I think they have to pay me a fair rate. What I'm asking isn't unfair, especially based on the location.
It's not unreasonable to ask for 3k more but it usually takes HR a long time before they can find out if they can offer you more or not. When I got my first full-time job, I asked for $300 more and it took them about a week to say no. :|
Kelemvor
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Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
They're probably seeing if the other candidate can do $65K.
Exactly. I would definitely call them and see what the status is. If you will do it for the lower price then tell them that you have thought it over and if it's going to be an issue that you would be willing to accept the position for the lower amount.
it's better than no amount.
And Ive' had this happen to me before. I was offered one thing, asked for a couple dollars/hr more and was told "Thanks for your interest, we'll keep your resume on file".
Pretty much excited that I found out that's how they treat their people before I actually took the job.
I guess we'll see at around 1pm today. Worse comes to it... I am prepared to turn it down. So we'll see either way.
Just got this advice... what do you guys think:
"Wait for them to call. The ball's in their court. You calling back first is an indication of weakness/desperation. Also be aware that by making a counter offer you have rejected their first offer, so that contract is null and void."
"Wait for them to call. The ball's in their court. You calling back first is an indication of weakness/desperation. Also be aware that by making a counter offer you have rejected their first offer, so that contract is null and void."
your responses in this thread made sense, and your logic is sound. I don't know if I'd call that quick, if you do though, DON'T make it sound like you're pressuring them. I'd personally wait till tomorrow, but you sound anxious. Best of luck. And if they nitpick over a 3k difference, you wouldn't want to work for them anyway.
Just call and get it over with! You'll probably just get voice mail anyways. If they say they are still thinking tell them you are also open to other forms of incentive if 70K is out of thier range, maybe an extra week of vacation time plus 6 month reviews. By giving them more time they could be looking for someone else that is more qualified and will work for the same or less. Time is against you in this case. A few days is good enough, show them you are willing to negotiate.
As a guy who used to be on hiring committees, I'll share my experiences.
1. Always keep your resume fresh and updated on monster and/or similar sites. Don't worry about your boss or HR seeing your resume...it is your right to have your resume up and they probably won't care. Were I your manager and I saw your resume on monster, it would not bother me at all. If you are happy at "our" company then your happy...I don't have any real reason to worry that you'll leave. You do want to leave, I have two options. If you are replaceable I'll simply replace you when you leave. If I really need you on my staff I'll pay market demand to keep you / make you happy.
2. Always ask for more money when getting a new job...be polite and reasonable about it, but definitely ask. They expect it...they will be not be insulted by it. If that is best offer they'll make to you, they'll tell you that. Your workplace is not extended family (if it is, that is really sad). Business is business. Look out for you and yours.
3. In technical organizations (engineering, science and software) and probably in many other companies, as well, you future boss and/or his boss control the amount you get paid. If your future boss wants you he/she get can make a pay increase happen with a phone call...it is his/her budget after all, not HR's.
4. If asking for a little more money makes a company pull an offer...you probably don't want to work there because they obviously don't want you much.
5. If you are not currently employed then 2-4 may not apply to you. Companies do not like hiring unemployed people as there are always questions as to why you don't have a job. New college grads are generally excluded from this one but, still, beware...no matter how good your GPA is you are still largely untested in an employers eyes. you have to weigh your GPA, work experience, etc. and proceed carefully.
6. After being with a company for a couple years you should go on an occassional interview, just to see what is out there and make contacts, etc. Again, there is nothing wrong with it. Do not lead on a prospective employer...i.e. don't let them spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on the interview process only to tell then you are not interested. Your interviewing could influence your raises in the near future either positively or negatively. If you have a good relationship with your boss then you can use intel from your interview (or even job offers) to get nice raises.
I switched companies twice in my first 2 years because I was underpaid...that is not uncommon in the pharmaceutical industry, though. Then I stuck with one company until decided to go to grad school. Even so, I interviewed with other places three times and got two really nice offers. I didn't take them but I used them to show my boss my market value and it helped me get some great raises (my pay increased by 50% over 3 years).
1. Always keep your resume fresh and updated on monster and/or similar sites. Don't worry about your boss or HR seeing your resume...it is your right to have your resume up and they probably won't care. Were I your manager and I saw your resume on monster, it would not bother me at all. If you are happy at "our" company then your happy...I don't have any real reason to worry that you'll leave. You do want to leave, I have two options. If you are replaceable I'll simply replace you when you leave. If I really need you on my staff I'll pay market demand to keep you / make you happy.
2. Always ask for more money when getting a new job...be polite and reasonable about it, but definitely ask. They expect it...they will be not be insulted by it. If that is best offer they'll make to you, they'll tell you that. Your workplace is not extended family (if it is, that is really sad). Business is business. Look out for you and yours.
3. In technical organizations (engineering, science and software) and probably in many other companies, as well, you future boss and/or his boss control the amount you get paid. If your future boss wants you he/she get can make a pay increase happen with a phone call...it is his/her budget after all, not HR's.
4. If asking for a little more money makes a company pull an offer...you probably don't want to work there because they obviously don't want you much.
5. If you are not currently employed then 2-4 may not apply to you. Companies do not like hiring unemployed people as there are always questions as to why you don't have a job. New college grads are generally excluded from this one but, still, beware...no matter how good your GPA is you are still largely untested in an employers eyes. you have to weigh your GPA, work experience, etc. and proceed carefully.
6. After being with a company for a couple years you should go on an occassional interview, just to see what is out there and make contacts, etc. Again, there is nothing wrong with it. Do not lead on a prospective employer...i.e. don't let them spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on the interview process only to tell then you are not interested. Your interviewing could influence your raises in the near future either positively or negatively. If you have a good relationship with your boss then you can use intel from your interview (or even job offers) to get nice raises.
I switched companies twice in my first 2 years because I was underpaid...that is not uncommon in the pharmaceutical industry, though. Then I stuck with one company until decided to go to grad school. Even so, I interviewed with other places three times and got two really nice offers. I didn't take them but I used them to show my boss my market value and it helped me get some great raises (my pay increased by 50% over 3 years).
Thanks for the advice.
So what I'm inferring is that, wait it out a bit more? I don't *need* the new job but it's a definite step up... I just also want to find a job I can spend the better part of my day at. This place seems good, but of course... salary is the main issue. It's business, and that's why I asked for more -- I wanted market value for my skill set.
Call them but don't say that. Say something more like "Hi Ms. <HR lady's name> this is <your name>, I just wanted to touch base with you to see where we are on my position. I'd like to be able to give my current employer adequate notice of my resignation.
The conversation will progress from there.
So you take every offer a company gives you if its more than you are making? I think that it is laughable that you let someone else state entirely the terms of your employment. Although you do make it easy on employers, when I'm looking for bottom dollar I'll call you.
I agree with the OP's concern that the future would suck if they balk over $3k. If they come back and tell you something like, "$67k is the max we can offer for this position based on company guidelines," then that's not so bad. A lot of companies have limits on what they can pay...
But if they're crappy about it, "Take it or leave it," or, "We can't afford any more," then I'd worry.
But if they're crappy about it, "Take it or leave it," or, "We can't afford any more," then I'd worry.
Well, UPDATE:
Just got a call from the hiring manager -- I have the job. In his own words "We really want to get you in here!"
He understands I'm at work right now and thus, he just asked a time he could have a bit of my attention so after work I'll be getting another call and sealing the deal. I think my small negotiation will be successful, because of of the tone and his attitude in the conversation I just had about 5 minutes ago
Just got a call from the hiring manager -- I have the job. In his own words "We really want to get you in here!"
He understands I'm at work right now and thus, he just asked a time he could have a bit of my attention so after work I'll be getting another call and sealing the deal. I think my small negotiation will be successful, because of of the tone and his attitude in the conversation I just had about 5 minutes ago
MikeyIs4Dcats
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Originally posted by: Scribe
Well, UPDATE:
Just got a call from the hiring manager -- I have the job. In his own words "We really want to get you in here!"
He understands I'm at work right now and thus, he just asked a time he could have a bit of my attention so after work I'll be getting another call and sealing the deal. I think my small negotiation will be successful, because of of the tone and his attitude in the conversation I just had about 5 minutes ago
They have a counter-offer. If they had given in, he'd have told you so.
And you'stupid to turn down a job over the money if it was just a counter-offer on principle.
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