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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
Got a link to that, TLC? Something tells me you're leaving out some important context. Call it a hunch given your partisan history.
Good lord, talk about PBK and coming from the master of ommission himself. :roll:

The link and quote was already provided in the article that you attempt to dismiss with a wawve of your hand. And it's also directly from the SCI report, but I'll repost it for those who want to ignore those kind of things:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/li...004_rpt/iraq-wmd-intell_chapter2-b.htm
Well...lookee here:
(U) In an interview with Committee staff, the former ambassador was able to provide more information about the meeting between former Prime Minister Mayaki and the Iraqi delegation. The former ambassador said that Mayaki did meet with the Iraqi delegation but never discussed what was meant by "expanding commercial relations."The former ambassador said that because Mayaki was wary of discussing any trade issues with a country under United Nations (UN) sanctions, he made a successful effort to steer the conversation away from a discussion of trade with the Iraqi delegation.
And what does that tell us?

All it tells us is that Mayaki steered the conversation away from trade issues because he didn't want to run afoul of the UN. iow, he had no illusions precisely why the delegation was there, and it wasn't to have a secret meeting on importing cowpeas and onions.

 

RightIsWrong

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Well...lookee here:
(U) In an interview with Committee staff, the former ambassador was able to provide more information about the meeting between former Prime Minister Mayaki and the Iraqi delegation. The former ambassador said that Mayaki did meet with the Iraqi delegation but never discussed what was meant by "expanding commercial relations."The former ambassador said that because Mayaki was wary of discussing any trade issues with a country under United Nations (UN) sanctions, he made a successful effort to steer the conversation away from a discussion of trade with the Iraqi delegation.
And what does that tell us?

All it tells us is that Mayaki steered the conversation away from trade issues because he didn't want to run afoul of the UN. iow, he had no illusions precisely why the delegation was there, and it wasn't to have a secret meeting on importing cowpeas and onions.

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Actually, reading comprehension would tell you that Mayaki confirmed that a meeting regarding the purchase of uranium did not take place even though he ASSumed that that was what the real agenda of the Iraqis was. Just like you are ASSuming the same thing once more without a shred of evidence.
 
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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Well...lookee here:
(U) In an interview with Committee staff, the former ambassador was able to provide more information about the meeting between former Prime Minister Mayaki and the Iraqi delegation. The former ambassador said that Mayaki did meet with the Iraqi delegation but never discussed what was meant by "expanding commercial relations."The former ambassador said that because Mayaki was wary of discussing any trade issues with a country under United Nations (UN) sanctions, he made a successful effort to steer the conversation away from a discussion of trade with the Iraqi delegation.
And what does that tell us?

All it tells us is that Mayaki steered the conversation away from trade issues because he didn't want to run afoul of the UN. iow, he had no illusions precisely why the delegation was there, and it wasn't to have a secret meeting on importing cowpeas and onions.
Actually, reading comprehension would tell you that Mayaki confirmed that a meeting regarding the purchase of uranium did not take place even though he ASSumed that that was what the real agenda of the Iraqis was. Just like you are ASSuming the same thing once more without a shred of evidence.
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Reading comprehension tells me that a meeting took place and he steered the conversation away from discussing trade whatsoever because Mayaki knew exactly what they wanted to discuss on that issue, and it wasn't cowpeas or onions. You don't arrange a secret meeting to discuss cowpeas and onions. But keep ignoring those inconvenient little facts surrounding the issue.

 

conjur

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
Got a link to that, TLC? Something tells me you're leaving out some important context. Call it a hunch given your partisan history.
Good lord, talk about PBK and coming from the master of ommission himself. :roll:

The link and quote was already provided in the article that you attempt to dismiss with a wawve of your hand. And it's also directly from the SCI report, but I'll repost it for those who want to ignore those kind of things:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/li...004_rpt/iraq-wmd-intell_chapter2-b.htm
Well...lookee here:
(U) In an interview with Committee staff, the former ambassador was able to provide more information about the meeting between former Prime Minister Mayaki and the Iraqi delegation. The former ambassador said that Mayaki did meet with the Iraqi delegation but never discussed what was meant by "expanding commercial relations."The former ambassador said that because Mayaki was wary of discussing any trade issues with a country under United Nations (UN) sanctions, he made a successful effort to steer the conversation away from a discussion of trade with the Iraqi delegation.
And what does that tell us?

All it tells us is that Mayaki steered the conversation away from trade issues because he didn't want to run afoul of the UN. iow, he had no illusions precisely why the delegation was there, and it wasn't to have a secret meeting on importing cowpeas and onions.
Which means there ended up being no attempt to buy yellowcake. It didn't happen despite all of the propaganda from this administration leading up to the war.
 

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Vicious,

I hope you are reading the comments. You will note how those with an agenda only repeat what the mainstream media say to the public but not what the mainstream media says in court, when they can be punished for lying.

You will also notice the attacks.

You are getting a wonderful education.

I hope you are learning.

 

RightIsWrong

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
Got a link to that, TLC? Something tells me you're leaving out some important context. Call it a hunch given your partisan history.
Good lord, talk about PBK and coming from the master of ommission himself. :roll:

The link and quote was already provided in the article that you attempt to dismiss with a wawve of your hand. And it's also directly from the SCI report, but I'll repost it for those who want to ignore those kind of things:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/li...004_rpt/iraq-wmd-intell_chapter2-b.htm
Well...lookee here:
(U) In an interview with Committee staff, the former ambassador was able to provide more information about the meeting between former Prime Minister Mayaki and the Iraqi delegation. The former ambassador said that Mayaki did meet with the Iraqi delegation but never discussed what was meant by "expanding commercial relations."The former ambassador said that because Mayaki was wary of discussing any trade issues with a country under United Nations (UN) sanctions, he made a successful effort to steer the conversation away from a discussion of trade with the Iraqi delegation.
And what does that tell us?

All it tells us is that Mayaki steered the conversation away from trade issues because he didn't want to run afoul of the UN. iow, he had no illusions precisely why the delegation was there, and it wasn't to have a secret meeting on importing cowpeas and onions.
Which means there ended up being no attempt to buy yellowcake. It didn't happen despite all of the propaganda from this administration leading up to the war.

Shhhh.....we are supposed to "keep ignoring those inconvenient little facts surrounding the issue".
 
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
Got a link to that, TLC? Something tells me you're leaving out some important context. Call it a hunch given your partisan history.
Good lord, talk about PBK and coming from the master of ommission himself. :roll:

The link and quote was already provided in the article that you attempt to dismiss with a wawve of your hand. And it's also directly from the SCI report, but I'll repost it for those who want to ignore those kind of things:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/li...004_rpt/iraq-wmd-intell_chapter2-b.htm
Well...lookee here:
(U) In an interview with Committee staff, the former ambassador was able to provide more information about the meeting between former Prime Minister Mayaki and the Iraqi delegation. The former ambassador said that Mayaki did meet with the Iraqi delegation but never discussed what was meant by "expanding commercial relations."The former ambassador said that because Mayaki was wary of discussing any trade issues with a country under United Nations (UN) sanctions, he made a successful effort to steer the conversation away from a discussion of trade with the Iraqi delegation.
And what does that tell us?

All it tells us is that Mayaki steered the conversation away from trade issues because he didn't want to run afoul of the UN. iow, he had no illusions precisely why the delegation was there, and it wasn't to have a secret meeting on importing cowpeas and onions.
Which means there ended up being no attempt to buy yellowcake. It didn't happen despite all of the propaganda from this administration leading up to the war.
As usual, the lefties keep glossing over the point. The "attempt" was sending a delegation into a secret meeting in the first place.

Once again I will ask you - Why have a secret meeting to discuss cowpeas and onions?

 

conjur

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
Got a link to that, TLC? Something tells me you're leaving out some important context. Call it a hunch given your partisan history.
Good lord, talk about PBK and coming from the master of ommission himself. :roll:

The link and quote was already provided in the article that you attempt to dismiss with a wawve of your hand. And it's also directly from the SCI report, but I'll repost it for those who want to ignore those kind of things:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/li...004_rpt/iraq-wmd-intell_chapter2-b.htm
Well...lookee here:
(U) In an interview with Committee staff, the former ambassador was able to provide more information about the meeting between former Prime Minister Mayaki and the Iraqi delegation. The former ambassador said that Mayaki did meet with the Iraqi delegation but never discussed what was meant by "expanding commercial relations."The former ambassador said that because Mayaki was wary of discussing any trade issues with a country under United Nations (UN) sanctions, he made a successful effort to steer the conversation away from a discussion of trade with the Iraqi delegation.
And what does that tell us?

All it tells us is that Mayaki steered the conversation away from trade issues because he didn't want to run afoul of the UN. iow, he had no illusions precisely why the delegation was there, and it wasn't to have a secret meeting on importing cowpeas and onions.
Which means there ended up being no attempt to buy yellowcake. It didn't happen despite all of the propaganda from this administration leading up to the war.
As usual, the lefties keep glossing over the point. The "attempt" was sending a delegation into a secret meeting in the first place.

Once again I will ask you - Why have a secret meeting to discuss cowpeas and onions?
But what came of that "attempt"? Hmm? Care to answer that one? That's the meat of this situation.
 
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
Got a link to that, TLC? Something tells me you're leaving out some important context. Call it a hunch given your partisan history.
Good lord, talk about PBK and coming from the master of ommission himself. :roll:

The link and quote was already provided in the article that you attempt to dismiss with a wawve of your hand. And it's also directly from the SCI report, but I'll repost it for those who want to ignore those kind of things:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/li...004_rpt/iraq-wmd-intell_chapter2-b.htm
Well...lookee here:
(U) In an interview with Committee staff, the former ambassador was able to provide more information about the meeting between former Prime Minister Mayaki and the Iraqi delegation. The former ambassador said that Mayaki did meet with the Iraqi delegation but never discussed what was meant by "expanding commercial relations."The former ambassador said that because Mayaki was wary of discussing any trade issues with a country under United Nations (UN) sanctions, he made a successful effort to steer the conversation away from a discussion of trade with the Iraqi delegation.
And what does that tell us?

All it tells us is that Mayaki steered the conversation away from trade issues because he didn't want to run afoul of the UN. iow, he had no illusions precisely why the delegation was there, and it wasn't to have a secret meeting on importing cowpeas and onions.
Which means there ended up being no attempt to buy yellowcake. It didn't happen despite all of the propaganda from this administration leading up to the war.
As usual, the lefties keep glossing over the point. The "attempt" was sending a delegation into a secret meeting in the first place.

Once again I will ask you - Why have a secret meeting to discuss cowpeas and onions?
But what came of that "attempt"? Hmm? Care to answer that one? That's the meat of this situation.
If anything came of the "attempt" it would have been more than an attempt, now wouldn't it?

 

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WOW!!! A secret meeting!! In 1999!! Surely there must be some followup to the uranium purchasing secret meeting from 1999-2003. You know, another piece of evidence besides this one meeting where supposedly uranium was not discussed (but you in you super slueth mode see right through that canard). Maybe there are some forged documents somewhere that you could point to.
I can't wait until the indictments are handed down. Is your head going to explode from the cognitive dissonance??
 

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: irwincur
Actually, it would not be out of the question that Wilson was the one to out his wife. He did talk to the NYT before his trip, and he did have a prepared anti-Bush editorial for his post trip. Never mind the fact that he lied four times in the editorial, and once again four more times to Congress.

There are some in DC that suspect that the journalist that is currently still in jail holds the key. It was either her, or him that 'blew the cover'.

Whatever the case, neither of them would have broken the law, so it is not a big deal. If I was Wilson I would be more concerned with the lies that I told Congress. Even then, they have a pretty lax policy.
Do you even try to get your facts straight? The suggestion Wilson outed his wife is hateful, blame-the-victim, partisan noise. Your claim Wilson talked to the New York Times before his trip is a flat lie, as is your nonsense about his "prepeared anti-Bush editorial". Neither claim has an ounce of evidence supporting it. Your claim he "lied" four times in his op-ed is equally disinformed. There are undoubtedly comments he made that one could nitpick on technicalities. There is no evidence Wilson intentionally mislead anyone. I don't know which dittohead entertainer/blowhard feeds you that crap, but you need to learn he or she is a total idiot. You simply don't know what you're talking about.

THATS SOMETHING THAT MY DAD WAS TELLING ME BUT I WASNT TO UP TO DATE ON WILSON'S ACTIONS!!! my dad said that he spoke with the ny times before going to africa, and had prepared statements even before taking the trip
 
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Originally posted by: jahawkin
WOW!!! A secret meeting!! In 1999!! Surely there must be some followup to the uranium purchasing secret meeting from 1999-2003. You know, another piece of evidence besides this one meeting where supposedly uranium was not discussed (but you in you super slueth mode see right through that canard). Maybe there are some forged documents somewhere that you could point to.
You mean the meeting where uranium was not permitted to be discussed? Does Mayaki have to be a super-sleuth to assert what the meeting was about as he did? I assume you know more about Niger and its exports than he does?

And I ask once again - Can you provide any rationale for having a secret meeting to discuss cowpeas and onions?

I can't wait until the indictments are handed down. Is your head going to explode from the cognitive dissonance??
I'm sure you can't wait and I'm surprised your head hasn't already imploded sheerly from vacuuous anticipation.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
But what came of that "attempt"? Hmm? Care to answer that one? That's the meat of this situation.
If anything came of the "attempt" it would have been more than an attempt, now wouldn't it?
Obviously. But, that's not what happened and we *are* trying to deal in *facts*, right?
 
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
But what came of that "attempt"? Hmm? Care to answer that one? That's the meat of this situation.
If anything came of the "attempt" it would have been more than an attempt, now wouldn't it?
Obviously. But, that's not what happened and we *are* trying to deal in *facts*, right?
The "fact" is that Mayaki looked upon the meeting as an "attempt" and any reasonable evaluation of the situation pretty much bears out precisely what Mayaki stated. You don't hold secret meetings arranged by a "businessman" (Who, btw, Wilson in his book later claimed Mayaki identified as Baghdad Bob) to discuss cowpeas and onions.
 

RightIsWrong

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
But what came of that "attempt"? Hmm? Care to answer that one? That's the meat of this situation.
If anything came of the "attempt" it would have been more than an attempt, now wouldn't it?
Obviously. But, that's not what happened and we *are* trying to deal in *facts*, right?
The "fact" is that Mayaki looked upon the meeting as an "attempt" and any reasonable evaluation of the situation pretty much bears out precisely what Mayaki stated. You don't hold secret meetings arranged by a "businessman" (Who, btw, Wilson in his book later claimed Mayaki identified as Baghdad Bob) to discuss cowpeas and onions.

So, TLC, you walk up to an attractive woman (I'm making an assumption here, please forgive me if I am mistaken as to your preference) and say "hi, how are you today?". She says "I'm fine" and then turns around and runs hysterically in the opposite direction.

From that hypothetical scenario, can we conclude:

1. She knew exactly what your intentions were
2. The fact that she never followed through with the conversation in any detail means that she was absolutely certain as to what your intentions were beyond the shadow of a doubt

Look forward to your response.
 

jahawkin

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: jahawkin
WOW!!! A secret meeting!! In 1999!! Surely there must be some followup to the uranium purchasing secret meeting from 1999-2003. You know, another piece of evidence besides this one meeting where supposedly uranium was not discussed (but you in you super slueth mode see right through that canard). Maybe there are some forged documents somewhere that you could point to.
You mean the meeting where uranium was not permitted to be discussed? Does Mayaki have to be a super-sleuth to assert what the meeting was about as he did? I assume you know more about Niger and its exports than he does?

And I ask once again - Can you provide any rationale for having a secret meeting to discuss cowpeas and onions?

ummmmm, so what do you make of this?? I'm sure he's lying.
In other news, South Africa sent a delegation to Iraq in 2002. OMG!! Clearly South Africa was trying to get their hands on those slippery Iraqi WMDs. You want to provide some other rational for this meeting?? I don't think they were discussing diamonds of figs.
 

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Originally posted by: ExpertNovice
Vicious,

I hope you are reading the comments. You will note how those with an agenda only repeat what the mainstream media say to the public but not what the mainstream media says in court, when they can be punished for lying.

You will also notice the attacks.

You are getting a wonderful education.

I hope you are learning.

i wanted to click on your link to the baker law institute, but the link is dead

i'm reading many of the comments, but yet again it has divulged into what joe wilson said in his report, which i don't see as having relevance to the outting of his wife's name. and i understand that the outting of plame's name might not be a crime because she wasn't in foreign lands, but i want to re-read your post once i get back
 
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Originally posted by: jahawkin
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: jahawkin
WOW!!! A secret meeting!! In 1999!! Surely there must be some followup to the uranium purchasing secret meeting from 1999-2003. You know, another piece of evidence besides this one meeting where supposedly uranium was not discussed (but you in you super slueth mode see right through that canard). Maybe there are some forged documents somewhere that you could point to.
You mean the meeting where uranium was not permitted to be discussed? Does Mayaki have to be a super-sleuth to assert what the meeting was about as he did? I assume you know more about Niger and its exports than he does?

And I ask once again - Can you provide any rationale for having a secret meeting to discuss cowpeas and onions?

ummmmm, so what do you make of this?? I'm sure he's lying.
Well then someone is lying here and it's either Mayaki or Wilson:

http://www.factcheck.org/article222.html

"The subject of uranium sales never actually came up in the meeting, according to what Wilson later told the Senate Intelligence Committee staff. He quoted Mayaki as saying that when he met with the Iraqis he was wary of discussing any trade issues at all because Iraq remained under United Nations sanctions. According to Wilson, Mayaki steered the conversation away from any discussion of trade."

So, in your opinion, who is lying in this case?

In other news, South Africa sent a delegation to Iraq in 2002. OMG!! Clearly South Africa was trying to get their hands on those slippery Iraqi WMDs. You want to provide some other rational for this meeting?? I don't think they were discussing diamonds of figs.
:roll:

Nice apples and oranges comparison.
 

BDawg

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Well then someone is lying here and it's either Mayaki or Wilson:

http://www.factcheck.org/article222.html

"The subject of uranium sales never actually came up in the meeting, according to what Wilson later told the Senate Intelligence Committee staff. He quoted Mayaki as saying that when he met with the Iraqis he was wary of discussing any trade issues at all because Iraq remained under United Nations sanctions. According to Wilson, Mayaki steered the conversation away from any discussion of trade."

So, in your opinion, who is lying in this case?

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Surely Saddam sent a delegation to Niger to discuss the commercial posibilities of importing Niger's other main exports - cowpeas and onions. :roll:


I'm going to go with you're lying. From your source,

Once the CIA was certain that the Italian documents were forgeries, it said in an internal memorandum that "we no longer believe that there is sufficient other reporting to conclude that Iraq pursued uranium from abroad."

Fleischer: Now, we've long acknowledged -- and this is old news, we've said this repeatedly -- that the information on yellow cake did, indeed, turn out to be incorrect.

Tenet: These 16 words should never have been included in the text written

You seem to be the only person who still believes what both sides admitted was untrue.
 

jahawkin

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: jahawkin
ummmmm, so what do you make of this?? I'm sure he's lying.
Well then someone is lying here and it's either Mayaki or Wilson:

http://www.factcheck.org/article222.html

"The subject of uranium sales never actually came up in the meeting, according to what Wilson later told the Senate Intelligence Committee staff. He quoted Mayaki as saying that when he met with the Iraqis he was wary of discussing any trade issues at all because Iraq remained under United Nations sanctions. According to Wilson, Mayaki steered the conversation away from any discussion of trade."

So, in your opinion, who is lying in this case?

In other news, South Africa sent a delegation to Iraq in 2002. OMG!! Clearly South Africa was trying to get their hands on those slippery Iraqi WMDs. You want to provide some other rational for this meeting?? I don't think they were discussing diamonds of figs.
:roll:

Nice apples and oranges comparison.

It must be Wilson. He made the whole story up, just like he lies about everything. At least that's what my GOP talking points tell me the think.

And how is it an apple and oranges comparison? Both situations involve representatives of one country travelling to another and having a chat. Both situations make the make the assertion the reason for the trip was procurement of bad things. Both situations have no evidence supporting the assertions.
 

Sysbuilder05

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Originally posted by: KidViciou$
he says that since joe wilson got his job through his wife's influence, and since he made high-profile statements against the white house, he is the reason why her cover was blown, and that karl rove didn't know that she worked for the CIA

he's basically saying it's all joe wilson's fault. i told him, joe wilson could be a serial killer, the scum of the earth, AND the antichrist, and the only way people would have known valerie plame is that she is his wife, not a CIA agent. this is what fox news is programming their viewers to believe :(

Gee,parroting what he hears on FOX,what a shock. Wonder if he's one of the 60% that STILL think SH pulled off 9/11??
 
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Originally posted by: jahawkin
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: jahawkin
ummmmm, so what do you make of this?? I'm sure he's lying.
Well then someone is lying here and it's either Mayaki or Wilson:

http://www.factcheck.org/article222.html

"The subject of uranium sales never actually came up in the meeting, according to what Wilson later told the Senate Intelligence Committee staff. He quoted Mayaki as saying that when he met with the Iraqis he was wary of discussing any trade issues at all because Iraq remained under United Nations sanctions. According to Wilson, Mayaki steered the conversation away from any discussion of trade."

So, in your opinion, who is lying in this case?

In other news, South Africa sent a delegation to Iraq in 2002. OMG!! Clearly South Africa was trying to get their hands on those slippery Iraqi WMDs. You want to provide some other rational for this meeting?? I don't think they were discussing diamonds of figs.
:roll:

Nice apples and oranges comparison.

It must be Wilson. He made the whole story up, just like he lies about everything. At least that's what my GOP talking points tell me the think.
Hard to determine who's lying there, isn't it? It's kind of like determining which nut to cut off. ;)

And how is it an apple and oranges comparison? Both situations involve representatives of one country travelling to another and having a chat. Both situations make the make the assertion the reason for the trip was procurement of bad things. Both situations have no evidence supporting the assertions.
You're comparing a standard and known meeting of foreign delegates to a meeting arranged covertly by an Iraqi "businessman" and supposedly held in secret. They are not comparible.
 
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Originally posted by: BDawg
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Well then someone is lying here and it's either Mayaki or Wilson:

http://www.factcheck.org/article222.html

"The subject of uranium sales never actually came up in the meeting, according to what Wilson later told the Senate Intelligence Committee staff. He quoted Mayaki as saying that when he met with the Iraqis he was wary of discussing any trade issues at all because Iraq remained under United Nations sanctions. According to Wilson, Mayaki steered the conversation away from any discussion of trade."

So, in your opinion, who is lying in this case?

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Surely Saddam sent a delegation to Niger to discuss the commercial posibilities of importing Niger's other main exports - cowpeas and onions. :roll:


I'm going to go with you're lying. From your source,

Once the CIA was certain that the Italian documents were forgeries, it said in an internal memorandum that "we no longer believe that there is sufficient other reporting to conclude that Iraq pursued uranium from abroad."

Fleischer: Now, we've long acknowledged -- and this is old news, we've said this repeatedly -- that the information on yellow cake did, indeed, turn out to be incorrect.

Tenet: These 16 words should never have been included in the text written

You seem to be the only person who still believes what both sides admitted was untrue.
You seem to be ommitting some relevant subsequent facts.

 

conjur

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
But what came of that "attempt"? Hmm? Care to answer that one? That's the meat of this situation.
If anything came of the "attempt" it would have been more than an attempt, now wouldn't it?
Obviously. But, that's not what happened and we *are* trying to deal in *facts*, right?
The "fact" is that Mayaki looked upon the meeting as an "attempt" and any reasonable evaluation of the situation pretty much bears out precisely what Mayaki stated. You don't hold secret meetings arranged by a "businessman" (Who, btw, Wilson in his book later claimed Mayaki identified as Baghdad Bob) to discuss cowpeas and onions.
How does that change what it's in bold above? You're so interested in facts but you're just hoping and praying that you could go back in time and make something come out of that meeting that didn't happen in the first place to justify in some manner the invasion of Iraq and the smear campaign against Wilson.