So, I cooked a locally raised, organic chicken tonight...

[JulesMaximus]

Yes, a whole bird I bought at a local grocery that carries mostly locally grown organic foods.

Now prior to this I've cooked many supermarket bought Foster Farms chickens and the difference is night and day. The Foster Farms chickens are greasy and full of fat, especially the meat under the bird...it is actually inedible IMO. I roasted a whole chicken tonight and even stuffed it, which I've done many times with FF chickens. The bird was lean, the meat was succulent and edible through and through.

Of course, it was twice the price but pound for pound it produced more edible meat.

 

[her209]

Your fallacy is in assuming that the chicken was fed organic food and therefore tasted better. I would challenge you to buy two chickens the next time around. But put one in the freezer after slaughtering it and then kill the other one and unthaw the frozen one and cook them both separately to compare.

 

[rasczak]

which store was this?

 

[chusteczka]

There is nothing organic in the state of California. For the most part, food from that state is inedible.

 

[her209]

There is nothing organic in the state of California. For the most part, food from that state is inedible.

Ag and dairy capital (biaaatch!)

 

[JulesMaximus]

There is nothing organic in the state of California. For the most part, food from that state is inedible.

Yet some of the best wines in the world come from this state...along with many locally grown nuts, berries and avocados. Honestly, I'd bet that a good portion of this country's exports are produced in California.

 

[ahenkel]

We've been having our ducks butchered lately, they aren't as meaty as the store bought poultry but its sooo good. The duck fat you want to just eat it with a spoon

 

[IronWing]

The benefits of "locally grown" are dependent on where you live. I might want to pass on the farmers' market in Calumet, IN.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Your fallacy is in assuming that the chicken was fed organic food and therefore tasted better. I would challenge you to buy two chickens the next time around. But put one in the freezer after slaughtering it and then kill the other one and unthaw the frozen one and cook them both separately to compare.

Assumption has absolutely nothing to do with it. I've roasted many Foster Farms chickens and this is just what I've noticed. Much of the meat on the FF chicken is simply unsuitable for consumption...I wouldn't even feed it to my dog. I've saved meat off these birds and most of it is just too disgusting for me to even eat so I end up throwing it away. These are whole chickens I purchased off the shelf at my local supermarket.

As I was cleaning the meat off this bird I noticed there is much less fat and it is so much less greasy than the commercially grown hormone fed birds. Scoff all you want but this is fact.

I purchased this bird at Henry's Market which is just slightly farther away from me than 2 Ralph's, 1 Vons and 1 Albertsons supermarkets. And for the record Henry's also sell Foster Farms whole chickens and chicken breasts...which I will no longer buy.

 

[her209]

Assumption has absolutely nothing to do with it. I've roasted many Foster Farms chickens and this is just what I've noticed. Much of the meat on the FF chicken is simply unsuitable for consumption...I wouldn't even feed it to my dog. I've saved meat off these birds and most of it is just too disgusting for me to even eat so I end up throwing it away. These are whole chickens I purchased off the shelf at my local supermarket.

As I was cleaning the meat off this bird I noticed there is much less fat and it is so much less greasy than the commercially grown hormone fed birds. Scoff all you want but this is fact.

I purchased this bird at Henry's Market which is just slightly farther away from me than 2 Ralph's, 1 Vons and 1 Albertsons supermarkets. And for the record Henry's also sell Foster Farms whole chickens and chicken breasts...which I will no longer buy.

I've had freshly killed chicken and chicken that was killed and frozen. Family raised them or bought from the local swap meet. The frozen ones never seem to taste as good as the freshly killed one. Also, the age of the chicken affects its taste as well - older chicken being tougher.

 

[chusteczka]

The gentically monsterfied food from California is artificial and tasteless. The ground is California is desert yet they are somehow able to grow strawberries and peaches from it. Strawberries and peaches require rich, black soil. Such soil is nowhere to be found in California. Instead you get "white" tasteless peaches. The strawberries from Watsonville, California are too large, without taste, and watered with artificial sweetener mixed in.

Unfortunately, California food is replacing all the quality food from the rest of the country. I am unable to find good quality strawberries anymore and tasty deep golden Georgia peaches are not sold in this area anymore. I am lucky when I can find fruit from Michigan. I curse California everytime I go grocery shopping and try to find good fruit.

California is great only in its own mind. Mexican avocados are far better than California avocados. California wine is bitter and acidic. The ground in California is not suitable for growing any kind of food product. The genetic monsterfication and artificial sweetening just make it worse.

California as a dairy capital? Come on now. I have lived my whole life close to Wisconsin and am lucky to know and enjoy the true taste of milk.

 

[lxskllr]

I don't eat much chicken, so I don't have a comparison either way, but many times organic yard birds are also free range yard birds. Free range yard birds get a more varied and natural diet consisting of bugs, and natural vegetation they forage for themselves. I'd fully expect a free range bird to taste different from a cage bird. It may be better, or worse, but it should definitely be different.

 

[her209]

California as a dairy capital? Come on now. I have lived my whole life close to Wisconsin and am lucky to know and enjoy the true taste of milk.

Frozen milk? No thanks!

 

[I Saw OJ]

The gentically monsterfied food from California is artificial and tasteless. The ground is California is desert yet they are somehow able to grow strawberries and peaches from it. Strawberries and peaches require rich, black soil. Such soil is nowhere to be found in California. Instead you get "white" tasteless peaches. The strawberries from Watsonville, California are too large, without taste, and watered with artificial sweetener mixed in.

Unfortunately, California food is replacing all the quality food from the rest of the country. I am unable to find good quality strawberries anymore and tasty deep golden Georgia peaches are not sold in this area anymore. I am lucky when I can find fruit from Michigan. I curse California everytime I go grocery shopping and try to find good fruit.

California is great only in its own mind. Mexican avocados are far better than California avocados. California wine is bitter and acidic. The ground in California is not suitable for growing any kind of food product. The genetic monsterfication and artificial sweetening just make it worse.

California as a dairy capital? Come on now. I have lived my whole life close to Wisconsin and am lucky to know and enjoy the true taste of milk.

 

[zerocool84]

The gentically monsterfied food from California is artificial and tasteless. The ground is California is desert yet they are somehow able to grow strawberries and peaches from it. Strawberries and peaches require rich, black soil. Such soil is nowhere to be found in California. Instead you get "white" tasteless peaches. The strawberries from Watsonville, California are too large, without taste, and watered with artificial sweetener mixed in.

Unfortunately, California food is replacing all the quality food from the rest of the country. I am unable to find good quality strawberries anymore and tasty deep golden Georgia peaches are not sold in this area anymore. I am lucky when I can find fruit from Michigan. I curse California everytime I go grocery shopping and try to find good fruit.

California is great only in its own mind. Mexican avocados are far better than California avocados. California wine is bitter and acidic. The ground in California is not suitable for growing any kind of food product. The genetic monsterfication and artificial sweetening just make it worse.

California as a dairy capital? Come on now. I have lived my whole life close to Wisconsin and am lucky to know and enjoy the true taste of milk.

Umm only a small portion of Cali is a desert. You need to learn more before you speak as most of California has fertile growing land which is why there's so much grown here.

 

[chusteczka]

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LOL. Yes, my issue was a bit off topic and hopefully did not derail the thread. Frozen milk? I had to think about that for a bit to get the geographic and climate reference. 😀

I am glad you enjoyed your chicken. A tasty chicken can make a good meal.

 

[sjwaste]

Yes, a whole bird I bought at a local grocery that carries mostly locally grown organic foods.

Now prior to this I've cooked many supermarket bought Foster Farms chickens and the difference is night and day. The Foster Farms chickens are greasy and full of fat, especially the meat under the bird...it is actually inedible IMO. I roasted a whole chicken tonight and even stuffed it, which I've done many times with FF chickens. The bird was lean, the meat was succulent and edible through and through.

Of course, it was twice the price but pound for pound it produced more edible meat.

Small farm birds that have space, are allowed to roam, and eat naturally have one other benefit. They're generally safer to eat. By that I mean, you don't even necessarily have to cook all the way through.

I take no responsibility if anyone tries it and gets sick, but it's mostly factory farm birds that have made it necessary to cook chicken past 160. Which is a shame, because a properly roasted chicken is still a little pink by the bones.

 

[chusteczka]

Umm only a small portion of Cali is a desert. You need to learn more before you speak as most of California has fertile growing land which is why there's so much grown here.

Yet the food grown and shipped worldwide does not reflect this. The soil in California is not suitable for farming, even with irrigation. This is why the ground was available for modern scientific and destructive farming methods.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Small farm birds that have space, are allowed to roam, and eat naturally have one other benefit. They're generally safer to eat. By that I mean, you don't even necessarily have to cook all the way through.

I take no responsibility if anyone tries it and gets sick, but it's mostly factory farm birds that have made it necessary to cook chicken past 160. Which is a shame, because a properly roasted chicken is still a little pink by the bones.

Agreed. This isn't about California birds...it's about naturally raised birds and organic foods. My point is that the crap you buy at your local supermarket that you think is quality food is...well, crap.

 

[summit]

Yet the food grown and shipped worldwide does not reflect this. The soil in California is not suitable for farming, even with irrigation. This is why the ground was available for modern scientific and destructive farming methods.

have you been to the central valley? come on dude.

 

[Dekasa]

have you been to the central valley? come on dude.

Have you been to Iowa? Come over, we'll show you some *real* soil.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Have you been to Iowa? Come over, we'll show you some *real* soil.

Yeah, the trouble is you only grow soy beans and corn in it...and then you feed the corn to most of the nation's beef which is an unatural diet for cattle.

 

[LTC8K6]

"Organic chicken" doesn't mean much, iirc.

 

[MikeMike]

Yeah, the trouble is you only grow soy beans and corn in it...and then you feed the corn to most of the nation's beef which is an unatural diet for cattle.

Tell me what state then is the most suited to Wine grapes?

honestly, what area goes 90 in the day, and 50-60 at night...

what area has low humidity during the heat, and high humidity during the night?

what area has microclimates within 10 miles of each other? where one produces grapes, another produces different grapes, another produces nuts, and more produce 'Berkeley trees'

tell me where there is more natural area available for the growth of EVERYTHING..

(JM this was not directed at you, you were who i quoted)

California is not only the state in the US that not only imports our food, goods, etc... it also grows and designs our food, goods, etc...

Honestly, California controls the evolution of the US, and DC tries to limit it....

whoever the fuck was from Iowa, has a lot to learn... Beef: midwest. Corn: midwest. Milk: MW/Cali, its the freaking same. Wine: Cali. future advances: cali.

now, there is NO PLACE ON EARTH that will survive like the midwest will when water becomes scarce...

 

[QueBert]

Best Oranges I ever ate were from California, same with Lemons, Apples & Grapes. And I've had every kind of Apple you could imagine. The Cheese from out here's awesome too.

California produce & Cheese >>>>>>> it's not even close.