So how about that football

[Torn Mind]

I'm a Giants fan but also a fairly objective football fan.

You are correct overall Eli did fall short of Peyton in the regular season as did nearly every other NFL QB of all-time. His numbers would have looked a lot better if he had retired sooner.

And Joe Theismann was a terrific QB ... definite first-ballot HOF IMO.

Theismann was a dud in both Super Bowls. His main highlight was avoiding a greater disaster near his own goal line than lighting anything up. But being far too young to watch him(born '88), I can't say how he was in the rest of the games he played.

I do love hating on Tom Brady and Belichick, there is 0.5% of me that likes the Giants and the Eagles for tarnishing Brady and Belichick's legacy.

Eli was clutch in the brightest moments, but he did need support to make the magic feasible.

I'll never accept Belichick is the GOAT coach. Walsh is.

Also, that Eagles win was an odd double whammy due to my rather unusual sports fandom. I am cheer for the Washington Football team, but I left the Capitals and became a Montreal Canadiens fan with full hatred of the Capitals. So for the Eagles and the Capitals to win their respective championships...made me rage for a while.

Dee Ford was smoking something good though...cost either the Rams or the Chiefs another Super Bowl.

 

[Captante]

Theismann was a dud in both Super Bowls. His main highlight was avoiding a greater disaster near his own goal line than lighting anything up. But being far too young to watch him(born '88), I can't say how he was in the rest of the games he played.

I do love hating on Tom Brady and Belichick, there is 0.5% of me that likes the Giants and the Eagles for tarnishing Brady and Belichick's legacy.

Eli was clutch in the brightest moments, but he did need support to make the magic feasible.

I'll never accept Belichick is the GOAT coach. Walsh is.

Also, that Eagles win was an odd double whammy due to my rather unusual sports fandom. I am cheer for the Washington Football team, but I left the Capitals and became a Montreal Canadiens fan with full hatred of the Capitals. So for the Eagles and the Capitals to win their respective championships...made me rage for a while.

Dee Ford was smoking something good though...cost either the Rams or the Chiefs another Super Bowl.

I'm supposed to hate the Eagles and the "DC-Teamy" (lol) but for whatever reason I never really have ... although Randall Cunningham did drive me nuts freakin nuts! (Only the Cow-Pies hold that honor)

I was born in 1964 and watching football (with full understanding) in the early/mid 70's. I can tell you that Theismann was anything but a "dud" as a QB. Problem is all anyone remembers about him is the crunch of LT breaking his leg! (still gives me shudders)

Doesn't help any that in his prime early career he shared the NFL field with Bradshaw, Stabler & Staubach then towards the end Montana & Elway.

 

[manly]

I'll never accept Belichick is the GOAT coach. Walsh is.

Belichick's genius isn't necessarily X's and O's. He's probably an above-average game strategist, but I'm not qualified in this area to comment.

What he's exploited better than anyone else is treating his players not named Tom Brady as being fully expendable. He would trade his own mother if it netted him extra draft picks. He always cut bait on star players at their maximum value, and before they demanded cap-busting contracts. Tom Brady was the only exception, and even then somehow the Pats convinced Tom to accept pay cuts for many years to help the team win.

But it's interesting to see the bottom fall out as soon as TB12 left. It somewhat changes the narrative that Beli was more important than Brady was during their long partnership.

 

[Exterous]

Something Lions fans can drink to

I drink to every Lions game to try and forget I'm watching the Lions

 

[Torn Mind]

Belichick's genius isn't necessarily X's and O's. He's probably an above-average game strategist, but I'm not qualified in this area to comment.

What he's exploited better than anyone else is treating his players not named Tom Brady as being fully expendable. He would trade his own mother if it netted him extra draft picks. He always cut bait on star players at their maximum value, and before they demanded cap-busting contracts. Tom Brady was the only exception, and even then somehow the Pats convinced Tom to accept pay cuts for many years to help the team win.

But it's interesting to see the bottom fall out as soon as TB12 left. It somewhat changes the narrative that Beli was more important than Brady was during their long partnership.

Walsh was far superior to Bill in getting the groceries. His passing principles have essentially become a necessary and ubiquitous part of the game. His coaching tree is also far more successful. So many of his "children" and "grandchildren" have made it to or won Super Bowls.

Belichick never had a sharp eye for talent. So when TB12 left, so did their ability to consistently win. But they are still competitive because he can gameplan and cheat.

Coaches that gets shipped out of New England usually wind up a destructive Hazmat spill that served to help keep the AFC weak.

Walsh had to face a gamut of other HOF-laden teams in the NFC then. Like Washington in the early 80s. He left by the end of his decade, but left so much talent that the 49ers could take on the Cowboys in the 90s.


Jimmy Johnson already gave a huge wake up call on how to value assets for the modern NFL by building the Cowboys dynasty.

I majored in economics, so I grasp the "Belichick" method of GM"ing far more than most football people. This might be why his assistants usually fail. They imitate what they see as exterior indicators of success, but not the cerebral underpinnings behind the decisions he makes, which indirectly have a mathematical and analytical basis.

The salary cap forces teams to eliminate players. So, there must be a very careful evaluation of which players are valuable to hold and which ones are not. Evaluating longevity of a player's career is kind of similar to an actuary evaluating the lifespan of people belonging to a particular group. There's a reason rival fans love Jerry Jones. That he just opens his checkbook and usually clings to a prospect he landed has served to hamstring the Cowboys often enough and I love it when that happens. For those players though, Jones is wonderful for treating them well to money.

 

[Exterous]

Good match up between LA and TB right now. LA is going to need a consistent pass rush if the refs are going to let Evans get that physical

 

[Torn Mind]

I'm supposed to hate the Eagles and the "DC-Teamy" (lol) but for whatever reason I never really have ... although Randall Cunningham did drive me nuts freakin nuts! (Only the Cow-Pies hold that honor)

I was born in 1964 and watching football (with full understanding) in the early/mid 70's. I can tell you that Theismann was anything but a "dud" as a QB. Problem is all anyone remembers about him is the crunch of LT breaking his leg! (still gives me shudders)

Doesn't help any that in his prime early career he shared the NFL field with Bradshaw, Stabler & Staubach then towards the end Montana & Elway.

Didn't say he was a dud. But his two Super Bowl performances were duds. Less throwing, more Riggo won the game in the end for the Jan 1983 game.

 

[Torn Mind]

Backing to being the undisciplined Bucs with an offsides. LOL

 

[Captante]

Didn't say he was a dud. But his two Super Bowl performances were duds. Less throwing, more Riggo won the game in the end for the Jan 1983 game.

I watched both of his SB's... and I even remember some of them!

Seriously I thought the point was that it wasn't rings alone that made a QB "elite"?

(they certainly don't hurt though!)


These guys agree with you

 

[Torn Mind]

I watched both of his SB's... and I even remember some of them!

Seriously I thought the point was that it wasn't rings alone that made a QB "elite"?

(they certainly don't hurt though!)


These guys agree with you

I dunno, but despite being really active on Redskins forums about ten years ago, I never ever had any fellow fan, even older ones, laud Theismann as some sort of great QB in the history of the team. Sonny Jurgensen has greater standing as a passer, along with Sammy Baugh. Some made comments about if Redskins had Marino in the 80s instead of the revolving door and how many Super Bowls could have been won.

 

[Torn Mind]

That INT by Tom feels like he had to execute Arians' wishes and just chuck it deep....

Seeing him struggle makes me smile though, so it's all good.

 

[Captante]

I dunno, but despite being really active on Redskins forums about ten years ago, I never ever had any fellow fan, even older ones, laud Theismann as some sort of great QB in the history of the team. Sonny Jurgensen has greater standing as a passer, along with Sammy Baugh. Some made comments about if Redskins had Marino in the 80s instead of the revolving door and how many Super Bowls could have been won.

Bear in mind I'm not a hardcore Washington fan ... fair point on Marino but if he had a running game he could have won more in Miami too.

Theismann seemed pretty good in games against the Giants thats all I know. Those Giants teams were another big part of his problem with rep btw!

And this is one heck of a football game!

 

[MrSquished]

Woops Tom

 

[Svnla]

Bear in mind I'm not a hardcore Washington fan ... fair point on Marino but if he had a running game he could have won more in Miami too.

Theismann seemed pretty good in games against the Giants thats all I know. Those Giants teams were another big part of his problem with rep btw!

And this is one heck of a football game!

And a decent defense. Can't believe Fins still has not been back to the SB since that beat down by SF in the mid 80's.

<<<---- long time Fins fan, way back...in the days of Marino and the Mark brothers as receivers. Fun and gun and score and score by air but nothing else.

 

[Torn Mind]

Tommy getting a wee senile and impatient.

'Tis the identity of the Bucs. They can't keep themselves together.

 

[Torn Mind]

Bear in mind I'm not a hardcore Washington fan ... fair point on Marino but if he had a running game he could have won more in Miami too.

Theismann seemed pretty good in games against the Giants thats all I know. Those Giants teams were another big part of his problem with rep btw!

And this is one heck of a football game!

The genealogy of the cursed incident seems to have grown in ways unexpected, unforeseen, and just a little chilling.

Smith gets his leg broke 33 years to the day Theismann had his leg broken, and Theismann is in the stands.

The same day Smith gets his first action, the Giants take out Dak Prescott.

Then the first win Smith gets in two years, Joe Burrow has his ACL and MCL nuked, along with damage to his PCL.

 

[Torn Mind]

 

[MrSquished]

Ravens Steelers got moved to Sunday unfortunately. I was looking forward to just watching that game tomorrow

 

[pete6032]

Ravens Steelers got moved to Sunday unfortunately. I was looking forward to just watching that game tomorrow

Same. Not sure why the NFL would have the lions playing an AFC opponent on Thanksgiving.

 

[Captante]

Same. Not sure why the NFL would have the lions playing an AFC opponent on Thanksgiving.

I think it's high time the league revisited the Turkey-day games ... back when Dallas and Detroit were assigned the duty I believe no other teams wanted it ... now however its coveted to a degree.

My suggestion would be to make the Thanksgiving games "flex-schedule" so that we get a good matchup more often at least.

Oddly this year I do think think the Lions game is the better matchup of the two but only because the Texans are so underwhelming.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

The Lions and Cowboys have been mostly terrible for a generation. I'd be okay not seeing either team on Thanksgiving ever again.

 

[BudAshes]

Ravens Steelers got moved to Sunday unfortunately. I was looking forward to just watching that game tomorrow

Yeah that is rough. The only game worth watching is gone. Everything sucks this year though, so I'm not surprised.

 

[Captante]

Yeah that is rough. The only game worth watching is gone. ALMOST Everything sucks this year though, so I'm not surprised.

Not true!



The Mets finally rid themselves of the "Wilponzi's"!!!



*(I do realize that to all you non-Mets fans this isn't very important btw)



And hey that Cow-Pies/FOOTBALL TEAM game is for first place!!!!1!1!

 

[BudAshes]

Not true!



The Mets finally rid themselves of the "Wilponzi's"!!!



*(I do realize that to all you non-Mets fans this isn't very important btw)



And hey that Cow-Pies/FOOTBALL TEAM game is for first place!!!!1!1!

One of those teams has to win the right to lose in the first round of playoffs.

Congrats as a Met's fan though.

 

[zinfamous]

Go Fighting FOOTBALL TEAM FOOTBALLERS!