SphinxnihpS
Diamond Member
33 dog-caused deaths in 2010. About 400 parent-caused deaths. .00014 percent of the US population combined. Sure worth all the attention, Casey Anthony included... Welcome to sensationalism!
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So he's nine months old and hasn't eaten a small child. What am I doing wrong?
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Need to rub the kids in chicken fat.
KT
KT
He really likes scrambled eggs...maybe if I fill their pockets.... :hmm:
Printer Bandit
Lifer
Pitbull called Monster rips off man's nose in attack...but he forgives the dog
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ll-Monster-mauled-bit-nose.html#ixzz1r6ogCavv
Ns1
No Lifer
Pitbull called Monster rips off man's nose in attack...but he forgives the dog
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ll-Monster-mauled-bit-nose.html#ixzz1r6ogCavv
see:
so Fausto - only fatalities count?
Let's make more jokes about kids being killed and maimed..it's hilarious....
1000 people PER DAY are treated for dog bites in the united states
from 1982 to 2011...oh nevermind, you'll just say it's the media blowing it out of proportion, that pit bulls are mis-identified, etc, etc...
swimming and other accidental deaths are just another method to distract from the issue at hand - that people choose to own a dog that is for a fact more dangerous than other dog breeds - it's a risk to them and everyone around them.
Let's make more jokes about kids being killed and maimed..it's hilarious....
1000 people PER DAY are treated for dog bites in the united states
from 1982 to 2011...oh nevermind, you'll just say it's the media blowing it out of proportion, that pit bulls are mis-identified, etc, etc...
swimming and other accidental deaths are just another method to distract from the issue at hand - that people choose to own a dog that is for a fact more dangerous than other dog breeds - it's a risk to them and everyone around them.
The Stewart family said they are at a loss at why Chance suddenly became vicious … She continued, “Something snapped. He had Abby in his sights and he headed right for her. Ronnie threw her so hard up on the trampoline; it threw one of her shoes off.” – Lisa Stewart
Noah’s mother was at her boyfriend’s home when his normally loving pit bull snapped. The dog clamped down on Noah’s head, ripping off his scalp and his ear. “It saddens me when people say: ‘my pit bull would never do that, I’ve got the sweetest dog in the world.’ – Kim Durall, mother of victim
my neighbor babied his pitbull too. It was supposedly a “big baby” also. Then out of the blue it decided to break through the screen door and attack my other neighbors dog … Also have a co worker whose “lovable” pit bull just snapped after years of being babied and it attacked his friends dog – KTM rider
The dog was being really nice to all of us for about 10 minutes and then he just snapped.” Elena’s parents took her to the hospital where doctors used 26 stitches to sew her upper lip back on. – DogsBite.org
A Bronx tot was mauled yesterday when her pet pit bull snapped and tore into her cheeks, police and witnesses said. Makailah Barnett, 3, nearly had the side of her face ripped off … “The dog just lost her mind” – Daily News
I once thought pits could be kind and gentle, and just had a bad rep……. till the one we had turned on my daughter 2 weeks ago … He never showed any signs of agression … I dont know why he snapped that night but it is a nightmare we will all live with for the rest of our lives. – Mandy, CC, USA"
These people are all lying though, right? There are plenty of stories about lab's doing this to kids, right?
Noah’s mother was at her boyfriend’s home when his normally loving pit bull snapped. The dog clamped down on Noah’s head, ripping off his scalp and his ear. “It saddens me when people say: ‘my pit bull would never do that, I’ve got the sweetest dog in the world.’ – Kim Durall, mother of victim
my neighbor babied his pitbull too. It was supposedly a “big baby” also. Then out of the blue it decided to break through the screen door and attack my other neighbors dog … Also have a co worker whose “lovable” pit bull just snapped after years of being babied and it attacked his friends dog – KTM rider
The dog was being really nice to all of us for about 10 minutes and then he just snapped.” Elena’s parents took her to the hospital where doctors used 26 stitches to sew her upper lip back on. – DogsBite.org
A Bronx tot was mauled yesterday when her pet pit bull snapped and tore into her cheeks, police and witnesses said. Makailah Barnett, 3, nearly had the side of her face ripped off … “The dog just lost her mind” – Daily News
I once thought pits could be kind and gentle, and just had a bad rep……. till the one we had turned on my daughter 2 weeks ago … He never showed any signs of agression … I dont know why he snapped that night but it is a nightmare we will all live with for the rest of our lives. – Mandy, CC, USA"
These people are all lying though, right? There are plenty of stories about lab's doing this to kids, right?
AnonymouseUser
Diamond Member
The only way to prevent pitbull attacks is to prevent pitbulls. You have my condolences, in advance.
destrekor
Lifer
Here's the thing about pitbulls:
they are great dogs, if the breeder has records of quality pitbulls in the breeding line, and the owners have any common sense about raising a dog that needs a little more work.
They are not a first-dog breed, for sure - I would never recommend someone get a pit if they've never raised a dog before, and even more so if they've never successfully raised a thoroughly disciplined dog of any breed.
They are a GREAT dog in the hands of a capable owner, and as others have said, a potential liability in the event the owner is average at best.
With documented, quality breeding stock, it is basically like any other muscular breed. You have to watch individual temperament, so that much will vary regardless.
When you get into mixed bloodlines (not mutts, mind you), the genetic quality of pits becomes highly questionable. A mature and capable dog owner can be all that is necessary to keep the dog around as a peaceful baby of a dog.
Here's the kicker: everyone forgets that the current *it* dog is always troublesome and always a risky move to own. Doberman's and Rottweilers both had their phases, where the genetics become quite messy and their was a whole lot of risk involved with random attack.
But as the lowlifes move their focus toward a new breed, the bloodlines start returning toward quality stock in the "abandoned" breed. Hopefully, in time, pitbulls have this chance - right now, I'd make sure any potential owner does a whole lot of homework on both quality training approaches AND the genetic history of any individual - any questionable pasts (including any unknowns), imho, represents an immediate "pass" on that individual dog.
That's the only argument I'd have toward purchasing of only purebreds with a lengthy documented breeding history - I'm a big fan of mutts, but for anyone looking into any of the more muscular "attack/defend" breeds, with any percentages of genetic mash-ups of breeds, you start introducing a lot of risk due to questionable genetic-based behavioral traits.
A lot of people have a very naive approach toward canines - they look at all the peaceful and, for lack of a better description, genetically manipulated breeds, and think of dogs as docile and loving. They are loyal, but a dog does not always witness and perceive things the way we do. And as much as behavior can depend upon breed, behavior can also be highly individual.
The larger and more muscular a canine breed, the more you must absolutely shift your mindset and attitude toward proper discipline and exactly how to train, familiarize, and bond with said dog. Canines, by their very genetic ancestry, are largely unpredictable and vicious. Granted, we have been able to breed A LOT of that out of many breeds, but some breeds still need a lot of dedication and work in the aim of raising a mild-mannered and loving animal. But they still have innate "needs" that sometimes you won't be able to predict how they will approach - most often it's simply something that is either amusing or needs only a scolding. But with the more powerful breeds, the risk factor amps up if the genetic traits have not been groomed.
Which, in short, is why pitbulls can be so nasty at this point in time - a lot of them have questionable pasts at best, dangerous and untamed genetics at worst... so their is an inherent risk.
That said, do consider what I stated earlier - there is ample documentation and evidence showing pitbulls as "just another dog" where they lived a normal lifespan with not even a single snap at any human or even another dog. I have a feeling the majority of those cases are either luck (they had good genetic history and/or simply ended up with good genes based on the variable nature of genetic mixing between two sets of genetics), or born of determination [on the part of owners] and quality breeding stock.
Until pits are no longer the *it* dog with the scum of our species (lowlifes, thugs, misfits - whatever label you choose would be an apt descriptor), I would say, if one desires not committing to a lot of homework, they may not be the best breed to run out and buy at this point in time.
But if you end up with one that has a good bloodline, a good temperament, and you are an above-average dog owner/handler, then you could have on your hands one of the most loyal, loving, and family-friendly canines that also has the capability to stand in as a home defense weapon and alarm system (in a neighborhood setting, that's about the best "work" a dog can get - and I will always view a dog as both a friend and an animal with a purpose).
they are great dogs, if the breeder has records of quality pitbulls in the breeding line, and the owners have any common sense about raising a dog that needs a little more work.
They are not a first-dog breed, for sure - I would never recommend someone get a pit if they've never raised a dog before, and even more so if they've never successfully raised a thoroughly disciplined dog of any breed.
They are a GREAT dog in the hands of a capable owner, and as others have said, a potential liability in the event the owner is average at best.
With documented, quality breeding stock, it is basically like any other muscular breed. You have to watch individual temperament, so that much will vary regardless.
When you get into mixed bloodlines (not mutts, mind you), the genetic quality of pits becomes highly questionable. A mature and capable dog owner can be all that is necessary to keep the dog around as a peaceful baby of a dog.
Here's the kicker: everyone forgets that the current *it* dog is always troublesome and always a risky move to own. Doberman's and Rottweilers both had their phases, where the genetics become quite messy and their was a whole lot of risk involved with random attack.
But as the lowlifes move their focus toward a new breed, the bloodlines start returning toward quality stock in the "abandoned" breed. Hopefully, in time, pitbulls have this chance - right now, I'd make sure any potential owner does a whole lot of homework on both quality training approaches AND the genetic history of any individual - any questionable pasts (including any unknowns), imho, represents an immediate "pass" on that individual dog.
That's the only argument I'd have toward purchasing of only purebreds with a lengthy documented breeding history - I'm a big fan of mutts, but for anyone looking into any of the more muscular "attack/defend" breeds, with any percentages of genetic mash-ups of breeds, you start introducing a lot of risk due to questionable genetic-based behavioral traits.
A lot of people have a very naive approach toward canines - they look at all the peaceful and, for lack of a better description, genetically manipulated breeds, and think of dogs as docile and loving. They are loyal, but a dog does not always witness and perceive things the way we do. And as much as behavior can depend upon breed, behavior can also be highly individual.
The larger and more muscular a canine breed, the more you must absolutely shift your mindset and attitude toward proper discipline and exactly how to train, familiarize, and bond with said dog. Canines, by their very genetic ancestry, are largely unpredictable and vicious. Granted, we have been able to breed A LOT of that out of many breeds, but some breeds still need a lot of dedication and work in the aim of raising a mild-mannered and loving animal. But they still have innate "needs" that sometimes you won't be able to predict how they will approach - most often it's simply something that is either amusing or needs only a scolding. But with the more powerful breeds, the risk factor amps up if the genetic traits have not been groomed.
Which, in short, is why pitbulls can be so nasty at this point in time - a lot of them have questionable pasts at best, dangerous and untamed genetics at worst... so their is an inherent risk.
That said, do consider what I stated earlier - there is ample documentation and evidence showing pitbulls as "just another dog" where they lived a normal lifespan with not even a single snap at any human or even another dog. I have a feeling the majority of those cases are either luck (they had good genetic history and/or simply ended up with good genes based on the variable nature of genetic mixing between two sets of genetics), or born of determination [on the part of owners] and quality breeding stock.
Until pits are no longer the *it* dog with the scum of our species (lowlifes, thugs, misfits - whatever label you choose would be an apt descriptor), I would say, if one desires not committing to a lot of homework, they may not be the best breed to run out and buy at this point in time.
But if you end up with one that has a good bloodline, a good temperament, and you are an above-average dog owner/handler, then you could have on your hands one of the most loyal, loving, and family-friendly canines that also has the capability to stand in as a home defense weapon and alarm system (in a neighborhood setting, that's about the best "work" a dog can get - and I will always view a dog as both a friend and an animal with a purpose).
So no pit owner ever seems to be able to really truthfully answer the question "Why did you get a pit breed and not a different breed?" I just don't know why you would take a chance even a .0001% chance with your kids and family (or someone else's kids/family) on a breed like a pitbull when you could just get a different breed. What's the point of owning a pit? To prove that you can do it? To prove that pitbulls aren't as bad as the public makes them out to be? It just seems like a foolish gamble.
Pitts were family dogs first, fighting dogs second. They were bred to be with a family and protect a family. Your lack of knowledge of the breed and misconstrued reality of what they are due to abuses doesn't change the fact they are amazing dogs. PS I've never been bitten by a pit bull, but I have scars from Golden Retrievers, Cocker Spaniels and Boxers. Been bitten multiple times by many small breed of dog. I know quite a few pit bull owners as well.
HamburgerBoy
Lifer
Because they have a reputation of being tough and loyal?
I disagree, I mean I'm sure there are bad apples here and there, there always is, but mostly I think most people just suck @ dogs. Then they happen to suck @ dogs with bigger breeds and they can't handle them issues arise. I mostly blame immature men and women. Most women aren't good with dogs, they give them to much freedom.
Born2bwire
Diamond Member
He has a pool? Well now I know he's the scum of the earth. He probably owns a deathmobile, oh sorry, I mean a car.
waggy
No Lifer
oh i totally agree. they are not a dog for the lazy (witch he kinda point's out). you need to train them, make sure they know you are alpha and play with them.
But he is right on the mixed breeds. when i was looking up dog bites in another thread about pits. i cam across a great article that mentioned how breeding of them now has gotten bad. to may inbreed, or mixed with other breeds and it is cuasing aggression issues. Same is happening with the lovable lab breed (though not nearly as bad).
pits are great dogs. trouble is the people that own them.
destrekor
Lifer
Choosing a breed for most people is highly subjective.
Some know that certain breeds have a tendency to have a certain style of personality/behavioral traits that they are looking for; they may take that, and look for the ones who seem the most joyful to be around, or react the best way to them at an initial meeting. Others may choose them simply because of available dogs and their hair color or whatnot.
Quite a few who get a pit have also likely been around a pit or two and really enjoyed their presence and how they behaved, including any individual "quirks" that just leave an impression. That alone can be enough to convince them: "why get any other breed, when I have liked what I have seen of the pits I have come across?"
After volunteering in dog shelters a few times, while the pits I came across have varied and some have been very docile and absolute babies, getting a rescue pit or any other potentially vicious breed would be the absolute LAST on my list from such a facility. Records and history are going to be completely unknown, for the most part, and with such breeds, that is indeed a major risk.
But so many people have very little understanding of *animals* in general, hell... genetics in general, and thus many will pick up random shelter dogs with little consideration except for that initial meeting. So many humans are oblivious to the realities of complex social creatures (including humans 😉), that those dog owners, with ANY breed, actually scare me more than any pit would (also - NEVER show hesitation or fear around any "vicious" breed - that's asking for trouble... dogs know it, and dogs question the stray human who shows fear when all the other ones it knows show love or outright ignore it altogether).
I haven't raised a dog all by myself yet, and the one I help raise gets mixed signals from other household members... who I can't properly train (dammit!), so my own dog-raising skills I still consider "pending" - and thus, I would not get a pit as my first personal dog. I might consider if I could see verifiable breeding records with a quality bloodline, because then you are merely left with a very rewarding dog who also happens to be powerful and dislikes people who you also generally dislike.
But if I sense I could both handle a pit and devote the necessary time to raising one, and it had records, I'd do it and not fear a bad decision at all.
Picking and owning a dog, unlike what many of our lesser brethren in life think, is not like owning a few fish or a cute little rat. Unless, of course, you get one of those rat dogs you plan on carrying around in a purse - but then the owner should be put down in such a case.
Are you threatening my dog?
Again poor owners cause those issues, not the dogs themselves. Poor choice of parentage and mixing doesn't happen on the higher end, so you have again the people who are low lifes poorly breeding animals in which they treat poorly.
Show me what constitutes a "dangerous" animal from a genetic standpoint and we'll talk. We are talking about a particular breed afterall.
SlitheryDee
Lifer
Statistical evidence isn't enough? Out of who knows how many breeds, pitbulls constitute something like a third of all reported dog attacks and a third of all fatal dog attacks.
The worst thing about them is that they are undeniably adorable for the entire time that they aren't trying to kill something. They are one of the most enthusiastically affectionate dog breeds that ive ever seen in person. Not all pitbulls try to kill someone in their lifetime of course, but when they do it is always to the utter shock and disbelief of their owners. Apparently no one ever sees the attack coming. I find that most disturbing of all. All the love that you now feel for your dog and all the love it is giving you in return may not make the slightest difference in the crucial moment when the dog suddenly turns on someone. They can make you believe that it is impossible. They made everyone before you believe it is impossible. Just think about that objectively.
The "statistical evidence" is worthless. 14 deaths, by various breeds mind you, in a year out of how many millions of dogs in the US?
Dogs are like people, you take them on a case-by-case basis. Yes, there are some traits that tend to be present with certain breeds, but that's why some people buy a Maltese and some people (like me) adopt dogs from local rescue orgs. My particular dog was in a foster home with other dogs, cats, and kids from day one. He was fixed as early as possible, goes for walks, goes to festivals, goes downtown with me, etc, etc, etc all in the name of socializing him. As a result, he's a fucking awesome dog. Would I rescue one of Michael Vick's dogs? No. Leave that to adults-only households.
I swear, the collective hangwringing is reminiscent of turn-of-the century articles about the dangers of rampaging negroes.
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