So he admitted to having done something which he had already pled guilty to? Was that before or after deserting the National Guard?
Originally posted by: apoppin
No . . . I'm referring to America's dirty war in Viet Nam in general and the BS propaganda we were subjected to by our own government.Originally posted by: Raiden8
Originally posted by: apoppin
Of course the "coalition" will find WMD . . . guaranteed . . . but who of the billions on this planet - except for a few million blind "patriots" (who have NO CLUE about about 'Nam) - are NOT going to question it?
Are you alluding to suspected war crimes by Kissinger? Sounds like a repeat?
And you are missing the point - the entire planet - 6 billion people - don't have ANY REASON to believe GWB. The burden of proof is on the invading nation - US.
So, have they found any WMD's yet? Well, ABC is reporting major deadly viruses have been stolen from Baghdad's research facililities during the looting . . . so "maybe". :Q
No, I haven't. Nixon was the one in the public eye getting scorched. No different here. Nixon's hawk, the mastermind, was Kissinger who was fairly left untouched. Practically, he was untouchable. The supposed media darling in those days, now he turns out to be suspect of a shady character. If you understand the propaganda during those times, you should understand the deeper intrigue within Nixon's admin. We can only speculate how deep the rabbit hole goes. GWB's hole share similarities since his top hawks (Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney, even Perle) have always wanted ,badly, Iraq toppled during and after Gulf War I, and ideally flatten any enemy of the state. GWB's version of Wolfowitiz's offensive-defence idealogy speaks such ideals.
Edit: GWB's version was his formal document: National Security Strategy of USA.
sMiLeYz
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Easy, there are none. Just another lie/spin produced by Bush and his soon-to-be retired mouthpiece Ari Fleischer.
Remember that evidence that Powell produced that claimed Iraq had Nuclear weapons? Turns out it was manufactered by some college kid. I thought THAT was bad
Originally posted by: NFS4
Well where the fsck are they?
You liberals wanted to give the inspectors a minimum of 6 more months of inspections and yet you demand instant answers from our government.
Cuz I'd like to know if there are any WMDs. If I would post another thread, people would scream "Can't you use the search function, been asked a thousand times you stupido!", and when I bump an old thread, you guys tell me "Why the fsck do you bump such an old thread you stupido?" Oh well.
Originally posted by: Crazyfool
Originally posted by: NFS4
Well where the fsck are they?
You liberals wanted to give the inspectors a minimum of 6 more months of inspections and yet you demand instant answers from our government.
I'm happy it isn't MY government
But weren't they like... "we have evidence that they have it!" If they have evidence, I'm sure they can spot it easily.Originally posted by: Crazyfool
Originally posted by: NFS4
Well where the fsck are they?
You liberals wanted to give the inspectors a minimum of 6 more months of inspections and yet you demand instant answers from our government.
The point is the bush admin didn't give them six more months... they had to invade NOW.
Originally posted by: NFS4
Well where the fsck are they?
I am sure Bush could tell us... but then he would have to kill us!
CaptnKirk
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Boo Hoo. The people who are "taking care" of you are the same people that lied to the world about the reason for the Bush Regime's aggression and invasion. And they're not really even taking care of you, now are they? An frankly, if you were one of the ones who are in danger of dying, you wouldn't have the time or care or resources to be posting here on AnandTech forums. Am I right?
You're damned right we're hot on the trail to force the Bush Regime to justify it's claims of rampant WMD's that required an immediate invasion. Over two months now, and those claims STILL have not panned out.
George Bush's political career is riding on this, so is his ticket to freedom: someday he may well find himself behind bars for this ultra-disgusting, ultra-machoistic display of force against Iraq.
If you're dying then go away--you haven't got time to fret with us here.
Edit: I read your post again, if you are "here" as in the United States and you think that code Orange causes us to think that we're in danger of "dying" then you need to grow up and get a life, or quit listening to the Fox News or Bush Regime propoganda.
The code Orange elevation only is for law enforcement to step up their guard of the homeland.
And frankly, the Bush Regime has used it as a scare tactic tool. Near mass hysteria happened when the last code Orange went into effect, hopefully people are sick enough of the propoganda to not do that again this time.
Look at this, the aggression in the takeover of Iraq doesn't even have any tangible effect to make the world any safer.
"Bush Behind Bars" -- now there's a great slogan for Campaign 2004! That's definately what he deserves.
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Boo Hoo. The people who are "taking care" of you are the same people that lied to the world about the reason for the Bush Regime's aggression and invasion. And they're not really even taking care of you, now are they? An frankly, if you were one of the ones who are in danger of dying, you wouldn't have the time or care or resources to be posting here on AnandTech forums. Am I right?
You're damned right we're hot on the trail to force the Bush Regime to justify it's claims of rampant WMD's that required an immediate invasion. Over two months now, and those claims STILL have not panned out.
George Bush's political career is riding on this, so is his ticket to freedom: someday he may well find himself behind bars for this ultra-disgusting, ultra-machoistic display of force against Iraq.
If you're dying then go away--you haven't got time to fret with us here.
Edit: I read your post again, if you are "here" as in the United States and you think that code Orange causes us to think that we're in danger of "dying" then you need to grow up and get a life, or quit listening to the Fox News or Bush Regime propoganda.
The code Orange elevation only is for law enforcement to step up their guard of the homeland.
And frankly, the Bush Regime has used it as a scare tactic tool. Near mass hysteria happened when the last code Orange went into effect, hopefully people are sick enough of the propoganda to not do that again this time.
Look at this, the aggression in the takeover of Iraq doesn't even have any tangible effect to make the world any safer.
"Bush Behind Bars" -- now there's a great slogan for Campaign 2004! That's definately what he deserves.
so how many times has Philly said "Bush regime". willing to bet it outnumbers his post count...
Skepticism on Bush's Weapons Claims Grows
WASHINGTON - CIA (news - web sites) Director George Tenet warned last fall that if the United States attacked Iraq (news - web sites), President Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) might hand off his forbidden weapons to Islamic terrorists for a counterattack.
Some analysts say that scenario cannot be ruled out now that that 60 days of searches by U.S. troops have produced scant evidence of the doomsday weapons Saddam supposedly had.
Did they wind up in the hands of terrorists?
Charles Pena of the CATO Institute said if Tenet's speculation was correct, it would be the ultimate irony because, he said, the whole point of invading Iraq was to prevent Saddam from passing his weapons on to the al-Qaidas of the world.
There are more benign theories for the lack of progress in finding weapons.
(yeah, but that's by far the funniest, then you could almost actually blame Bush for making Saddam arm terrorists with WMD, even the great Rush might not be able to spin that)
U.S. Asks Experts to Survey Iraqi Labs
BAGHDAD, Iraq - The United States is inviting a group of international experts to inspect two mobile labs suspected of being used by Iraq (news - web sites) as biological weapons facilities, a senior military commander involved in the weapons hunt told The Associated Press on Tuesday.
Although the laboratories do not represent proof that Iraq had biological weapons, American officials believe their only purpose was for making such weapons. Outside confirmation could help legitimize one of the Bush administration's main reasons for going to war.
(I higlighted the important part, hopefully to minimize the whining)
U.S. Opens Door to U.N. Nuclear Inspectors in Iraq
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States on Tuesday opened the door for U.N. experts to examine Iraq (news - web sites)'s nuclear arms development sites after the world body's watchdog agency said a nuclear contamination emergency could be developing.
"From my standpoint, from our standpoint, we have no problem with it," Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said, telling reporters the issue had been discussed within the U.S. government in recent days.
(oh really..... what about this Rumi?)
Barrels Missing From Iraqi Nuclear Site 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
Skepticism on Bush's Weapons Claims Grows
WASHINGTON - CIA (news - web sites) Director George Tenet warned last fall that if the United States attacked Iraq (news - web sites), President Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) might hand off his forbidden weapons to Islamic terrorists for a counterattack.
Some analysts say that scenario cannot be ruled out now that that 60 days of searches by U.S. troops have produced scant evidence of the doomsday weapons Saddam supposedly had.
Did they wind up in the hands of terrorists?
Charles Pena of the CATO Institute said if Tenet's speculation was correct, it would be the ultimate irony because, he said, the whole point of invading Iraq was to prevent Saddam from passing his weapons on to the al-Qaidas of the world.
There are more benign theories for the lack of progress in finding weapons.
(yeah, but that's by far the funniest, then you could almost actually blame Bush for making Saddam arm terrorists with WMD, even the great Rush might not be able to spin that)
U.S. Asks Experts to Survey Iraqi Labs
BAGHDAD, Iraq - The United States is inviting a group of international experts to inspect two mobile labs suspected of being used by Iraq (news - web sites) as biological weapons facilities, a senior military commander involved in the weapons hunt told The Associated Press on Tuesday.
Although the laboratories do not represent proof that Iraq had biological weapons, American officials believe their only purpose was for making such weapons. Outside confirmation could help legitimize one of the Bush administration's main reasons for going to war.
(I higlighted the important part, hopefully to minimize the whining)
U.S. Opens Door to U.N. Nuclear Inspectors in Iraq
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States on Tuesday opened the door for U.N. experts to examine Iraq (news - web sites)'s nuclear arms development sites after the world body's watchdog agency said a nuclear contamination emergency could be developing.
"From my standpoint, from our standpoint, we have no problem with it," Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said, telling reporters the issue had been discussed within the U.S. government in recent days.
(oh really..... what about this Rumi?)
Barrels Missing From Iraqi Nuclear Site 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
I guess about the vans you ddin't read or listen to the next lines that said there had been absolutely no trace of any chemicals or biological agents whatsoever found aywhere, in the vans or elsewhere. If they'b been used, all traces would be hard to get rid of.
I agree there are some bad people out there that want to do us grievous harm, but Iraq was a paper tiger. Iran, so very close to nuclear capability, should have and would have been a much on-target target. I guess them holding US hostages for over a year is meaningless now, as is their openly admitted supporting of all sorts of terrorist factions, unlike Iraq was doing.
But the things I've understood about Iran is their military is much more prepared for combat, is better equipped vs. Iraq, and is more ready to fight. In other words, a much tougher opponent than Iraq ever was. Could that be why we are turning a blind eye to them?
As an aside, heard a few days Halliburton, the "only guys who can put out oil fires in the world so that's why Bush, et al, hired them, not because Bush and Cheney own Halliburton stock" (as was so eloquently put around here when it was revealed Halliburton had been hired by Bush, et al, to deal with potential oil well distruction), Halliburton, in that contract just menitoned, also gave them full control over the wells.........of production, sale, etc. Now that is a weet deal for Bush and Cheney.....will boost their net worth very nicely. (I guess Halliburton was the only oil guys capable of running the oilheads and working production and selling the crude.)
While the retort will be Bush and Cheney have a blind trust for their stocks, it really isn't blind...............Bush and Cheney know how the stock is distributed. So it's quite easy to throw some "business" to companies in which they are heavily invested. A real blind trust means the owners of the trust, in this case Bush, would sell off all stock prior to assuming office, then a trust would invest the money........and the owner wouldn't know how it was sditributed. In Bush's case, it's just an untouchable trust.
Halliburton should clean up on this deal and make Bush and Cheney a nice stack of greenbacks. Iraq oil is known ot be a very sweet, light crude..........very low in sulfur. This makes it cheaper to refine so it goes for a small premium over lesser varieties of crude.
Sweet deal.
The EU has appointed a commission to look into the awarding of Iraqi contracts, so far no complaints from EU companies and no findings other than everything is being done by the book.
It would be hard to get rid of the traces, but not impossible, the efort was obviously made. I certainly don't forget being ridiculed by some members here for suggesting the containers they found buried were scrubbed, with hindsight I guess it is easier to see who the fools were. What explains their military purpose for needing mobile biological agent producing equipment, or their failure to even disclose it's existence to the UN. Mobile, stealthy labs capable of rapid production for a regime who has shown little wualms over it's use, precursor cemicals buried, hardly a paper tiger.
Saddam's links to terrorists were well known, the man who handled the payments to PLO bomber's families fro Saddam was a world class old school terrorist and was captured in Iraq. Iraq themselves planned and carried out terrorist acts, they also operated camps on the south side of Baghdad that had terrorists from all over the Arab world training there.
The one up north associated with Al-Qaida had WMD recipes and dispersion manuals, remember powell claimed that camp's purpose was to teach WMD use, he was as right about that as he was the labs themselves.
It would be hard to get rid of the traces, but not impossible, the efort was obviously made. I certainly don't forget being ridiculed by some members here for suggesting the containers they found buried were scrubbed, with hindsight I guess it is easier to see who the fools were. What explains their military purpose for needing mobile biological agent producing equipment, or their failure to even disclose it's existence to the UN. Mobile, stealthy labs capable of rapid production for a regime who has shown little wualms over it's use, precursor cemicals buried, hardly a paper tiger.
Saddam's links to terrorists were well known, the man who handled the payments to PLO bomber's families fro Saddam was a world class old school terrorist and was captured in Iraq. Iraq themselves planned and carried out terrorist acts, they also operated camps on the south side of Baghdad that had terrorists from all over the Arab world training there.
The one up north associated with Al-Qaida had WMD recipes and dispersion manuals, remember powell claimed that camp's purpose was to teach WMD use, he was as right about that as he was the labs themselves.
CaptnKirk
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Keeping the Dream Alive
Some people must pray every night that they will find something - anything.
This article just re-hashes all the stuff that came up without merit, but tries to re-kindle hope that something is found.
Investigation to be made about credibility of pre-war data
It will be interesting to see what this turns up, or if the report is 'Classified - Sensitive to National Security'.
Some people must pray every night that they will find something - anything.
This article just re-hashes all the stuff that came up without merit, but tries to re-kindle hope that something is found.
Investigation to be made about credibility of pre-war data
It will be interesting to see what this turns up, or if the report is 'Classified - Sensitive to National Security'.
some people just ignore the facts.
if they find nothing where are the tons of unaccounted for WMD? What about the mobile labs? What about the terrorist camps? It was all a lie....
I said in April that I would give those fools a month to come up with something. One month later NOTHING. This is one of the biggest disasters in American history. Shameful.
Years for the UN inspectors with the help of the Iraqi Regime.
2 months for the Coalition military, while still under fire, and with hostile witnesses.
What the *#*$& are you guys smoking? Let me recommend you try a heavy dose of reality instead. Maybe they will find them, and maybe they won't, but it's pretty clear a bunch of you have already made up your minds about what you'll believe, regardless of evidence.
2 months for the Coalition military, while still under fire, and with hostile witnesses.
What the *#*$& are you guys smoking? Let me recommend you try a heavy dose of reality instead. Maybe they will find them, and maybe they won't, but it's pretty clear a bunch of you have already made up your minds about what you'll believe, regardless of evidence.
I am amazed they have convinced themselves the WMD saddam admitted having to the UN that were unaccounted for never existed or simply vanished without a trace.
Could you do that to my debt please?
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