the point is that the US knew they had wmd's, the point was not for us to takever iraq and then start searching for something that might and might not be there
the point is that the US knew they had wmd's, the point was not for us to takever iraq and then start searching for something that might and might not be there
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Do you honestly believe Finland and it's glorious leader, (whatever his name is) would just accept it when they find WMD? Would (WHN) just say "yeah, they invaded and liberated a nation who's tyrant starved them and built WMD. We're sorry for not believing you in the first place Bush." Not in your lifetime
CkG
there is no legal basis for invading another country on the bases of human right violations, illegal wmd's was the legal basisOriginally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Do you honestly believe Finland and it's glorious leader, (whatever his name is) would just accept it when they find WMD? Would (WHN) just say "yeah, they invaded and liberated a nation who's tyrant starved them and built WMD. We're sorry for not believing you in the first place Bush." Not in your lifetime
CkG
Well assuming I knew that the WMD's existed (remember, US is 100% sure that they do), you gave me all the intelligence-resources US has at it's disposal and you would give me about 100.000 troops to do the actual searching, I would guess it wouldn't take that long.
One would think that US spy-satellites would find it REALLY curious as to why Iraqis are digging a huge hole in a middle of the desert and dumping some barrels and munitions there. So I don't think that Iraq could hide that stuff in the open desert, that alone cuts down the possible places by quite large amount. Of course, those satellites can also see what's going on in cities, although it's more difficult. But you would have your defectors, informants and dissidents providing you with info. And of course, you would have all those troops looking for WMD's.
apoppin
Lifer
NO ONE on this entire planet (six billion people) - except for a few million Bush supporters - is gonna believe that the US did not manufacture evidence when it "finds" WMD if the UN is not also there to witness the "discovery".
The longer it takes, the worse it looks for the US in the eyes of the rest of the world.
And the "burden of proof" is on the US (period) - now.
edit: look at the "larger" picture. The US is not alone on this planet (although we are acting that way and may soon get treated that way)
The longer it takes, the worse it looks for the US in the eyes of the rest of the world.
And the "burden of proof" is on the US (period) - now.
edit: look at the "larger" picture. The US is not alone on this planet (although we are acting that way and may soon get treated that way)
Actually, both President and prime minister of Finland are women
would just accept it when they find WMD? Would (WHN) just say "yeah, they invaded and liberated a nation who's tyrant starved them and built WMD. We're sorry for not believing you in the first place Bush." Not in your lifetime
Well, motive of the invasion was the WMD's. That's all they talked about in the UN, the evidence Powell presented in the UN were all about WMD's not human-rights violations. All that talk about Saddams wickedness is just a smoke-screen.
And for what it's worth, finnish government hasn't flamed USA because of the invasion. They hoped that it would have gone through the UN, but they haven't taken the line Germany and France (for example) have taken. So your "not believing in Bush"-thingie is not valid.
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Do you honestly believe Finland and it's glorious leader, (whatever his name is) would just accept it when they find WMD? Would (WHN) just say "yeah, they invaded and liberated a nation who's tyrant starved them and built WMD. We're sorry for not believing you in the first place Bush." Not in your lifetime
CkG
Well, Czar is right, unless you want to claim that the US is a nation without respect for international laws...
So your point is nonexistent actually... and if you are going to mention a leader in the future, you have the intarweb at your fingertips, do a search, find his name, be less arrogant...
Still no sign of the WMD outlined in the 12,000 page report Saddam submitted to the UN which listed everything, most still unaccounted for. You remember that report, the one that tells who helped him, 21 companies, 2 in the US, 19 in EU (14 in Germany), most of these EU ones are also responsible for the majority of WMD Egypt, Syria, and Iran have.
Finalnd supplies countires with WMD, they have supplied Syria, so has Switzerland ,France still sells the largest quantity of precursor chemicals though.
They found drums of nuclear waste hidden underground, you can make one hell of a dirty bomb with that, it may not be chem/bio, but it sure is a WMD on people.
Finalnd supplies countires with WMD, they have supplied Syria, so has Switzerland ,France still sells the largest quantity of precursor chemicals though.
They found drums of nuclear waste hidden underground, you can make one hell of a dirty bomb with that, it may not be chem/bio, but it sure is a WMD on people.
Finland supplies countries with WMD's
?!?!?!?! Well, that's news to me! We better watch out or USA will invade us next!Are you talking about the site that WAS ALREADY INSPECTED AND SEALED BY UN OFFICIALS?
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Do you honestly believe Finland and it's glorious leader, (whatever his name is) would just accept it when they find WMD? Would (WHN) just say "yeah, they invaded and liberated a nation who's tyrant starved them and built WMD. We're sorry for not believing you in the first place Bush." Not in your lifetime
CkG
Well, Czar is right, unless you want to claim that the US is a nation without respect for international laws...
So your point is nonexistent actually... and if you are going to mention a leader in the future, you have the intarweb at your fingertips, do a search, find his name, be less arrogant...
Czar may be right. I tossed in that "starving" thing because i needed some filler
And yes I know that I could have searched for the Leaders real name but I didn't because it wasn't relavant to my point. The whole point of my taking Nem's post and rewriting it was to show that the opposite could be said about other nations. Finland may be a fence sitter in this matter but Nem is from Finland(according to his/her profile
) so I used Finland - so sue me Was it arrogant for me to do so - Yup - just like it was arrogant of him to use "USA and it's glorious leader, GWB" and to attack Bush's integrity by saying he wouldn't own up to it. Bush has shown repeatedly that if he makes a mistake he will own up to them - not play games like other politicians.CkG
WHO CARES IF WE FIND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION? WE HAVE THEM - WHY CANT THEY? WE'VE USED THEM TO FIGHT OUR BATTLES - WHY CANT THEY?
HOW CAN YOU ALL HANG ON THIS AS ANY PROOF OR REASON FOR US DECLARE WAR ON THESE PEOPLE? DON'T BE SILLY, CHINA, INDIA AND OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE THESE WEAPONS AND TEST THEM - JUST LIKE WE DO. IF THIS IS ALL THAT IS NEEDED TO CONVINCE YOU ALL TO SUPPORT A CRIMINAL ACT - GOD HELP YOU ALL!
HOW CAN YOU ALL HANG ON THIS AS ANY PROOF OR REASON FOR US DECLARE WAR ON THESE PEOPLE? DON'T BE SILLY, CHINA, INDIA AND OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE THESE WEAPONS AND TEST THEM - JUST LIKE WE DO. IF THIS IS ALL THAT IS NEEDED TO CONVINCE YOU ALL TO SUPPORT A CRIMINAL ACT - GOD HELP YOU ALL!
I think the U.S. has a bit better judgement than some dictator named Saddam Hussein. While we might have the weapons of mass destruction, we're never going to use them in the same manner that Saddam might have intended to. What's the reason for the yelling!!
And you yaysayers have it easy as well. Blindly keep living with the delusion that your country and leader can do no wrong based solely on the fact that he is your leader and this is your country. Face it, governments are not above doing anything to "protect" themselves. Think of the national embarrasment if there really are no WMD, what would you to if you were GWB?
While it is true that other countries have WMD, Iraq was banned from having them after their invasion of Kuwait and subsequent loss in the Gulf War by the UN. Hence they are not supposed to have them and destroy any that they did. However, there was no conclusive prrof that they still had WMD when we decided to attack them which is wrong.
now THIS is real news, not only to me, but to the entire world, how come you are the ONLY ONE who knows about this?
Links? Nah, didn't think so... LOL...
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Do you honestly believe Finland and it's glorious leader, (whatever his name is) would just accept it when they find WMD? Would (WHN) just say "yeah, they invaded and liberated a nation who's tyrant starved them and built WMD. We're sorry for not believing you in the first place Bush." Not in your lifetime
CkG
Well, Czar is right, unless you want to claim that the US is a nation without respect for international laws...
So your point is nonexistent actually... and if you are going to mention a leader in the future, you have the intarweb at your fingertips, do a search, find his name, be less arrogant...
Czar may be right. I tossed in that "starving" thing because i needed some filler
And yes I know that I could have searched for the Leaders real name but I didn't because it wasn't relavant to my point. The whole point of my taking Nem's post and rewriting it was to show that the opposite could be said about other nations. Finland may be a fence sitter in this matter but Nem is from Finland(according to his/her profile
CkG
Nah, i won't sue you, but you really shouldn't throw arguments around as facts like that, it ruins your credibility...
Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
I think the U.S. has a bit better judgement than some dictator named Saddam Hussein. While we might have the weapons of mass destruction, we're never going to use them in the same manner that Saddam might have intended to. What's the reason for the yelling!!
Nah, the nukes (WMD's) of the US were needed during the cold war, i for one am happy that they were/are there, no doubt about that...
And i think that someone has to unstick his caps-lock...
Iraq never had any. And even if they did, who do they pose a threat to with them being half way around the world? The US? I'm just waiting for the US to rid Iraq of any sort of resistance whatsoever so they can plant thier own WMD of say "I told you so!". I think a more realistic possibility though for the Bush administration is to find some other distraction in order to divert attention away from finding WMD in Iraq, kinda like the way he did with Osama Bin Laden. [hyuck]"I can't find Bin Laden anymore, so I'm gonna start a war with a 3rd world country and hope everyone forgets about Bin Laden, even though he's directly responsible for 3000+ American deaths"[/hyuck]
Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
I think the U.S. has a bit better judgement than some dictator named Saddam Hussein. While we might have the weapons of mass destruction, we're never going to use them in the same manner that Saddam might have intended to. What's the reason for the yelling!!
this is the exact attitude the US has taken... in other words we are better than the middle east idiots and much more responsible than these animals? give me a break fool, americans are no better in any way than anyone else in the world. we pose the same threat as any other country by having them.
this is true however, gwb sr was advising and supplying Saddam with these weapons to use against the Kuwaiti's so again i tell you this was all part of a larger objective - project O I L.
another reason i can't go with you one this is b/c at this very moment we are threatening Syria, Iran and other countries who have bio and nuclear technology just as we do... just call it like it is bro.
Well considering the troops are still under fire...
2,000 sites are due to be checked, weapons will surface... Hey everyone pushed for more time for the inspectors, geez give some time to the troops once the fighting stops...
Can this claim be backed up? From where I stand the man tries to cover up every bit as much as Clinton ever did.
Originally posted by: apoppin
And you'll keep posting your own crap trying to defend the indefensible.
Of course the "coalition" will find WMD . . . guaranteed . . . but who of the billions on this planet - except for a few million blind "patriots" (who have NO CLUE about about 'Nam) - are NOT going to question it?
Are you alluding to suspected war crimes by Kissinger? Sounds like a repeat?
apoppin
Lifer
No . . . I'm referring to America's dirty war in Viet Nam in general and the BS propaganda we were subjected to by our own government.Originally posted by: Raiden8
Originally posted by: apoppin
Of course the "coalition" will find WMD . . . guaranteed . . . but who of the billions on this planet - except for a few million blind "patriots" (who have NO CLUE about about 'Nam) - are NOT going to question it?
Are you alluding to suspected war crimes by Kissinger? Sounds like a repeat?
And you are missing the point - the entire planet - 6 billion people - don't have ANY REASON to believe GWB. The burden of proof is on the invading nation - US.
So, have they found any WMD's yet? Well, ABC is reporting major deadly viruses have been stolen from Baghdad's research facililities during the looting . . . so "maybe". :Q
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: SnapIT
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Do you honestly believe Finland and it's glorious leader, (whatever his name is) would just accept it when they find WMD? Would (WHN) just say "yeah, they invaded and liberated a nation who's tyrant starved them and built WMD. We're sorry for not believing you in the first place Bush." Not in your lifetime
CkG
Well, Czar is right, unless you want to claim that the US is a nation without respect for international laws...
So your point is nonexistent actually... and if you are going to mention a leader in the future, you have the intarweb at your fingertips, do a search, find his name, be less arrogant...
Czar may be right. I tossed in that "starving" thing because i needed some filler
And yes I know that I could have searched for the Leaders real name but I didn't because it wasn't relavant to my point. The whole point of my taking Nem's post and rewriting it was to show that the opposite could be said about other nations. Finland may be a fence sitter in this matter but Nem is from Finland(according to his/her profile
CkG
Nah, i won't sue you, but you really shouldn't throw arguments around as facts like that, it ruins your credibility...
No - You need to READ!!! I wasn't claiming anyting as FACT, like the post of mine above said..."The whole point of my taking Nem's post and rewriting it was to show that the opposite could be said about other nations." Now tell me how me editing a post of someone elses, that makes wild assumption/accusations, is posting facts?
Now who's credibility is slipping?
CkG
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