so has anyone seen that video of the us guy getting his head chopped off?

[Triumph]

I'd assume there's only one video floating around, since it was originally released on the web, so why re-encode it? Anyway, the video I saw was pretty horrible quality 96 k/s encoded windows media... I couldn't really see any details. I couldn't even really see the knife or the blood. If its the same video everyone else has seen...well it really isn't that bad as far as gory videos go.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Eli
It's really not as bad as I thought it would be.. I mean it's surely very disturbing, but.... it could be worse.

:|

Yeah, go ahead and get all angry at me and take my words out of context.

I never said that I didn't feel remorse. The video gave me chills, and I had my jaw clenched tight the whole time. It's not like I enjoyed it for Christ's sake. It's disgusting.

I was talking about the video. I was just saying that it isn't really as bad as it could've been. Not the act itself, but the video. What if it was a 640x480 HDTV closeup or something?

Geez.

 

[BullsOnParade]

If we made the huge parts of that country a parking lot, it would not bother me one bit.

You have to understand that left to their own devices men in white hoods would still string
up blacks in trees here in the US, men in camouflage would routinely bomb federal buildings, and
others would lead mass kool-aid drinking parties. Is any of that much different than what these people have done and are their actions
significantly different somehow.

Dont make the mistake of confusing a single group of idealogues with the rest of the citizenry, of
either one of the world's oldest civilizations or of this young nation.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Ameesh

Originally posted by: Emveach

Originally posted by: Ameesh
i just saw it, pretty fvcked up.

Almost as bad as making a bunch of prisoners sodimize each other and making them get undressed and threatening them with a dog who intends to bite off their genitals, then taking pictures of the whole ordeal and spreading them around.

ALMOST as bad??? Wow...you're right. They only killed him...how dare we humilate someone or abuse them...and scaring them...such animals we are. We should have just killed them too. Then I suppose we'd be almost as good as them.:roll:

you do realize that to most of these hardcore muslim men, sodomy and sexual relations with another man is a mortal sin. many of them might have prefered death to that kind of abuse. just because your values dictate otherwise doesn't mean theirs do.

imagine the worse thing someone can do to you, your brothers, your children, and your family. Would that worse thing be death? IMO there are a lot worse things then death. and some of the disgusting atrocities that those red neck yokels in uniforms did might not bother you but it really pissed off those guys who murdered that man.

everyone can expect more retribution from the "terrorists" while people in the people in prisons are being treated like garbage.



and ask yourself this, if someone humliated your family like the US soliders did to those prisoners, would you want revenge? would you want retribution? would you want justice? would you want to kill someone? could you be soo angry that you would find the first one of theirs you could and cut his head off?

murdering an innocent man is never justifiable, all i am saying is that it is understandable.

:Q:disgust::|
What..the...fvck.

No...just..no.

 

[SaltBoy]

I'm gonna pass on watching the video, thank you very much.

Just curious, though -- what's the Russian video all about? I haven't heard about that one.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: BullsOnParade

If we made the huge parts of that country a parking lot, it would not bother me one bit.

You have to understand that left to their own devices men in white hoods would still string
up blacks in trees here in the US, men in camouflage would routinely bomb federal buildings, and
others would lead mass kool-aid drinking parties. Is any of that much different than what these people have done and are their actions
significantly different somehow.

Dont make the mistake of confusing a single group of idealogues with the rest of the citizenry, of
either one of the world's oldest civilizations or of this young nation.

Probably one of the wisest responses I've read in this thread.

 

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Ameesh

Originally posted by: Emveach

Originally posted by: Ameesh
i just saw it, pretty fvcked up.

Almost as bad as making a bunch of prisoners sodimize each other and making them get undressed and threatening them with a dog who intends to bite off their genitals, then taking pictures of the whole ordeal and spreading them around.

ALMOST as bad??? Wow...you're right. They only killed him...how dare we humilate someone or abuse them...and scaring them...such animals we are. We should have just killed them too. Then I suppose we'd be almost as good as them.:roll:

you do realize that to most of these hardcore muslim men, sodomy and sexual relations with another man is a mortal sin. many of them might have prefered death to that kind of abuse. just because your values dictate otherwise doesn't mean theirs do.

imagine the worse thing someone can do to you, your brothers, your children, and your family. Would that worse thing be death? IMO there are a lot worse things then death. and some of the disgusting atrocities that those red neck yokels in uniforms did might not bother you but it really pissed off those guys who murdered that man.

everyone can expect more retribution from the "terrorists" while people in the people in prisons are being treated like garbage.



and ask yourself this, if someone humliated your family like the US soliders did to those prisoners, would you want revenge? would you want retribution? would you want justice? would you want to kill someone? could you be soo angry that you would find the first one of theirs you could and cut his head off?

murdering an innocent man is never justifiable, all i am saying is that it is understandable.

:Q:disgust::|
What..the...fvck.

No...just..no.

What do you mean, "No...just..no?" Can you not understand Ameesh's explanation for the way he feels?

I think Ameesh brings up a very good point. Our soldiers inflamed the passions of hardcore extremist Muslims with sodomy and exposure of genitalia. And the Muslims shown in the video knew what would inflame us. Sure, U.S. soldiers didn't kill anyone, but they definitely knew the most dishonorable thing they could make those men do. And the murderers of Berg responded in kind.

Good point Ameesh. The decapitation (which I haven't seen and don't plan to watch) isn't excusable by any means, but neither is the behavior of U.S. troops, no matter where the buck stops. Inexcusable? Very. Forseeable? Possibly. Understandable? Definitely.

 

[0roo0roo]

video from salon.com http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2004/05/12/beheading_video2/index.html

and for those that keep saying its just a few people... even a tiny % of 1 billion muslims = a whole lotta blood thirsty people. the general apologist attitude towards terrorists in their culture really doesn't help.

 

[Ogg]

There are also screen captures at Drudge

 

[DotheDamnTHing]

Originally posted by: DWW

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
Had my chance.

I passed.

:thumbsup:

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Eli
It's really not as bad as I thought it would be.. I mean it's surely very disturbing, but.... it could be worse.

:|

Yeah, go ahead and get all angry at me and take my words out of context.

I never said that I didn't feel remorse. The video gave me chills, and I had my jaw clenched tight the whole time. It's not like I enjoyed it for Christ's sake. It's disgusting.

I was talking about the video. I was just saying that it isn't really as bad as it could've been. Not the act itself, but the video. What if it was a 640x480 HDTV closeup or something?

Geez.

Now your lying Elie. You werent at all talking about the video. You took my angry icon out of context. I was angry because you said it could be worse, which means your a dumbass.

 

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Eli
It's really not as bad as I thought it would be.. I mean it's surely very disturbing, but.... it could be worse.

:|

Yeah, go ahead and get all angry at me and take my words out of context.

I never said that I didn't feel remorse. The video gave me chills, and I had my jaw clenched tight the whole time. It's not like I enjoyed it for Christ's sake. It's disgusting.

I was talking about the video. I was just saying that it isn't really as bad as it could've been. Not the act itself, but the video. What if it was a 640x480 HDTV closeup or something?

Geez.

Now your lying Elie. You werent at all talking about the video. You took my angry icon out of context. I was angry because you said it could be worse, which means your a dumbass.

How did he take it out of context? That angry icon was your entire post...there WAS no context!

 

[shenaniganz]

Originally posted by: Ogg
There are also screen captures at Drudge

Is it just me or have they removed them already?

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: DWW
These people can't be reasoned with. What sort of crazy fvck hacks a mans head off while he screams (I heard he screams like nuts by this thread and according to CNN). Just shoot him and get it over with. You can't tell them that though. They say they did this for the humiliation of Iraqi prisoners :roll: as that senator said, the prisoners aren't in jail for violating traffic laws... kill everyone in the prisons now (line them up and shoot them humainly) and shove pieces of pork in their orifices and drop those pictures in pamphlets on the remaining hold out cities.

I don't know why the US tries. You can bet the kids they are liberating are going to come back when they grow up and make their own jihad because some marine shot their dad for blasting an AK at them. There is nothing worthwhile there to even liberate.

truer words have not been spoken on this forum.

and i dont wanna watch the video. when i used to live in india i saw an elderly lady fall on the train tracks and get decapitated by a slowly approaching train. it happened really quick...like within 30 seconds and the train could not stop in time...even though it was moving at like 5-7mph. the worst part is she saw the train coming and screamed like hell. that gave me nightmares for a week (was 10 yrs old at the time).

i dont want to watch this video even though im curious

 

[jrenna]

I have not seen the video, nor do I intend to view it, however, I would like to add my comments for what they are are worth:

Since when do two "wrongs" make a "right"? The recent actions of our military, no matter how high up the investigation takes it, was disturbing, to say the least; and those responsible should be punished accordingly. However, I cannot believe that Islam allows revenge against innocent people. This man was not in the military. (I am not implying that if he was, this act would be any more acceptable). If the action of these Islamic cowards is in anyway praised or accepted in the Arab world, then would it not be right for the families of those killed on 9/11 to murder innocent Arabs, for revenge? I think it's time for all people, Arabs, Muslims and all other God-fearing and God-loving people of the world to speak out in one strong, unified voice to condemn violence committed in the name of God/Allah or whomever.

 

[Reliant]

I don't understand how anyone, even in the name of God, can kill someone in that way. Looking at them as a piece of meat and just chopping away.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: Ameesh
you do realize that to most of these hardcore muslim men, sodomy and sexual relations with another man is a mortal sin. many of them might have prefered death to that kind of abuse. just because your values dictate otherwise doesn't mean theirs do.

imagine the worse thing someone can do to you, your brothers, your children, and your family. Would that worse thing be death? IMO there are a lot worse things then death. and some of the disgusting atrocities that those red neck yokels in uniforms did might not bother you but it really pissed off those guys who murdered that man.

everyone can expect more retribution from the "terrorists" while people in the people in prisons are being treated like garbage.

and ask yourself this, if someone humliated your family like the US soliders did to those prisoners, would you want revenge? would you want retribution? would you want justice? would you want to kill someone? could you be soo angry that you would find the first one of theirs you could and cut his head off?

murdering an innocent man is never justifiable, all i am saying is that it is understandable.

some very valid points Ameesh. i think both parties are to be blamed (the US govt AND the muslim terrorists). i personally dont think the violence will ever stop. by attacking iraq and killing so many civilians in the process we created more hatred towards americans and the Arab/muslim world. and that hatred will come back and bite us in the ass when the orphans grow up to be future terrorists (or jihadis, as they call themselves)

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: jrenna
I have not seen the video, nor do I intend to view it, however, I would like to add my comments for what they are are worth:

Since when do two "wrongs" make a "right"? The recent actions of our military, no matter how high up the investigation takes it, was disturbing, to say the least; and those responsible should be punished accordingly. However, I cannot believe that Islam allows revenge against innocent people. This man was not in the military. (I am not implying that if he was, this act would be any more acceptable). If the action of these Islamic cowards is in anyway praised or accepted in the Arab world, then would it not be right for the families of those killed on 9/11 to murder innocent Arabs, for revenge? I think it's time for all people, Arabs, Muslims and all other God-fearing and God-loving people of the world to speak out in one strong, unified voice to condemn violence committed in the name of God/Allah or whomever.

IIRC, islam doesnt condone this. just that these fundamentalists have interprted islam that way. its the same as the crusades back in the days. IIRC christianity doesnt condone killing others. but the way a handful of people interpret it led them to such actions

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: DWW
These people can't be reasoned with. What sort of crazy fvck hacks a mans head off while he screams (I heard he screams like nuts by this thread and according to CNN). Just shoot him and get it over with. You can't tell them that though. They say they did this for the humiliation of Iraqi prisoners :roll: as that senator said, the prisoners aren't in jail for violating traffic laws... kill everyone in the prisons now (line them up and shoot them humainly) and shove pieces of pork in their orifices and drop those pictures in pamphlets on the remaining hold out cities.

I don't know why the US tries. You can bet the kids they are liberating are going to come back when they grow up and make their own jihad because some marine shot their dad for blasting an AK at them. There is nothing worthwhile there to even liberate.

truer words have not been spoken on this forum.

and i dont wanna watch the video. when i used to live in india i saw an elderly lady fall on the train tracks and get decapitated by a slowly approaching train. it happened really quick...like within 30 seconds and the train could not stop in time...even though it was moving at like 5-7mph. the worst part is she saw the train coming and screamed like hell. that gave me nightmares for a week (was 10 yrs old at the time).

i dont want to watch this video even though im curious

i'm starting to agree with that statement. i'm willing to bet there are people gladly accepting our help getting saddam out who know who these guys are, might even be one of them. "yes yes thank you for getting rid of the madman, now we kill one of your people gruesomely for disgracing us." when a woman cheats on her husband it's pretty humiliating, would you understand if he made a video hacking her head off? some of you are justifying their actions by saying "hey we embarrased them!" this isn't something that's going to stop by turning the other cheek, and if you really believe that what's it going to take for you to wake up? your own brother or sister or friend or father on video next? these aren't even soldiers they are killing. at least a soldier knows what he's getting into. this guy shouldn't have even BEEN there and wouldn't have had he not been detained by iraqi police for so long.

absolutely sickening. you say that retaliation would be giving them what they want? fine. it's a good thing i'm not in power, because bush would look like a saint compared to my vengence and wrath.

anyway, off to hack my cell phone and try to forget how disgusting this world is.

 

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: jrenna
I have not seen the video, nor do I intend to view it, however, I would like to add my comments for what they are are worth:

Since when do two "wrongs" make a "right"? The recent actions of our military, no matter how high up the investigation takes it, was disturbing, to say the least; and those responsible should be punished accordingly. However, I cannot believe that Islam allows revenge against innocent people. This man was not in the military. (I am not implying that if he was, this act would be any more acceptable). If the action of these Islamic cowards is in anyway praised or accepted in the Arab world, then would it not be right for the families of those killed on 9/11 to murder innocent Arabs, for revenge? I think it's time for all people, Arabs, Muslims and all other God-fearing and God-loving people of the world to speak out in one strong, unified voice to condemn violence committed in the name of God/Allah or whomever.

IIRC, islam doesnt condone this. just that these fundamentalists have interprted islam that way. its the same as the crusades back in the days. IIRC christianity doesnt condone killing others. but the way a handful of people interpret it led them to such actions

Spot on, like the Christian fundamentalists who think it's okay to bomb abortion clinics and kill abortion doctors because they're so-called 'baby killers.'

No matter your feelings on abortion or Iraq, it's wrong of those groups to kill other humans.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: jrenna
I have not seen the video, nor do I intend to view it, however, I would like to add my comments for what they are are worth:

Since when do two "wrongs" make a "right"? The recent actions of our military, no matter how high up the investigation takes it, was disturbing, to say the least; and those responsible should be punished accordingly. However, I cannot believe that Islam allows revenge against innocent people. This man was not in the military. (I am not implying that if he was, this act would be any more acceptable). If the action of these Islamic cowards is in anyway praised or accepted in the Arab world, then would it not be right for the families of those killed on 9/11 to murder innocent Arabs, for revenge? I think it's time for all people, Arabs, Muslims and all other God-fearing and God-loving people of the world to speak out in one strong, unified voice to condemn violence committed in the name of God/Allah or whomever.

IIRC, islam doesnt condone this. just that these fundamentalists have interprted islam that way. its the same as the crusades back in the days. IIRC christianity doesnt condone killing others. but the way a handful of people interpret it led them to such actions

Spot on, like the Christian fundamentalists who think it's okay to bomb abortion clinics and kill abortion doctors because they're so-called 'baby killers.'

No matter your feelings on abortion or Iraq, it's wrong of those groups to kill other humans.

even though i agree with you, lets not hijack this thread

 

[bootymac]

:frown:

 

[GasX]

The people who committed this act are the lowest forms of human life on the planet. They use distorted reasoning to excuse the inexcusable while masking themselves to protect their identity. There is NOTHING that justifies their acts and if I ever ended up in a dark alley with them, they be having a long conversation with my combat boots.

note to anyone self-righteous F-tard who thinks my acts would be no better then theirs. The people I would be stomping into the ground have committed the most vile of sins. The person upon those sins were committed was not.

I am so fvcking pissed right now. Pissed at the acts and pissed at myself for watching that video...

:|

 

[JoPh]

ok i fianlly got the nerves to watch the video. it put a big twist in my stomach.
people are compairing it to horror movies and stuff. horror my be more gruesome but it is fake. this is real. thus it is 10x worse.

 

[DT4K]

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: jrenna
I have not seen the video, nor do I intend to view it, however, I would like to add my comments for what they are are worth:

Since when do two "wrongs" make a "right"? The recent actions of our military, no matter how high up the investigation takes it, was disturbing, to say the least; and those responsible should be punished accordingly. However, I cannot believe that Islam allows revenge against innocent people. This man was not in the military. (I am not implying that if he was, this act would be any more acceptable). If the action of these Islamic cowards is in anyway praised or accepted in the Arab world, then would it not be right for the families of those killed on 9/11 to murder innocent Arabs, for revenge? I think it's time for all people, Arabs, Muslims and all other God-fearing and God-loving people of the world to speak out in one strong, unified voice to condemn violence committed in the name of God/Allah or whomever.

IIRC, islam doesnt condone this. just that these fundamentalists have interprted islam that way. its the same as the crusades back in the days. IIRC christianity doesnt condone killing others. but the way a handful of people interpret it led them to such actions

Actually, you are not even close to being correct.
Read some of the passages from the Qu'ran
It's not a matter of interpretation. It's spelled out very clearly.
Now I admit that it may be a matter of being selective about which parts of the book you look at.
But if you look at the right parts, it would become very very clear that terror, pain, suffering, and death is deserved by all non-muslims and it is every muslim's duty to kill and punish all non-believers.

If Islam is a religion of peace, then where the fvck are the muslim leaders speaking out against 9/11?
We need to get over this bull$hit PC idea that islam as a whole is peaceful and terrorism is just the result of a few extremists. Tens or hundreds of thousands of muslims dancing in the streets and celebrating the day after 9/11 is NOT just a few extremists.

Don't get me wrong. I am NOT labeling all muslims as terrorists. But the fact is that there are millions of muslims who share the same beliefs as Bin Laden and these sick fvcks who killed this guy.

I do not condone the abuse of prisoners. But there is a big difference between being abusive towards a group of people who were recently hiding behind women and children and killing your friends versus publicly beheading a completely innocent man who had done NOTHING to you or your people.