So, does the 7950GX2 count as a single card solution?

[nullpointerus]

EDIT: I misread thilan's post. What a stupid mistake!

 

[compgeek89]

It's 2 cards, 2 molex connectors, scales like SLI.

The only reason the power consumption is less than dual GTXs is because these things have to be clocked lower on the RAM and GPU to keep cool enough to be stuck right next to eachother.

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: nullpointerus
Oh, is that all? Then you have no point. The 7950GX2 uses one PCI-E slot on the system board, and that's the only slot that's relevant in the context of the original discussion.

That's because the first card is an expansion board, ie. it is two cards. :roll:

Originally posted by: compgeek89
The only reason the power consumption is less than dual GTXs is because these things have to be clocked lower on the RAM and GPU to keep cool enough to be stuck right next to eachother.

That, and each of the two cards in the 7950GX2 setup is a heavily modified Geforce 7900GO (mobile.) One just also functions as an expansion board, something the fanboys believe will go away if they pretend enough.

P.S. Could you tell me what scores you get in 3D Mark 05 and 06 with that Conroe @ 4.05GHz?

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: beggerking
OMG, do you even know what you are reading?
LPTSTR driverPath; //driver disk path
means

right after that, "//driver disk path" is a comment to let another programmer know "driverPath" variable holds the path to find a driver.

So it does exist then. All you've done here is clarify it. Thanks for proving yourself wrong. Once again it is then summerized further down:

no, my boy, he specifically commented its a disk path, which is a path to a disk location. How pathetic of you that you couldn't interpret that correctly.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: thilan29
This is more like a dual CPU system than a dualcore system. Just like the dual CPU has it's own socket per CPU and memory(usually) this card has it's own socket/card and memory per GPU.

dualcore doesn't have its own socket. 7950gx2 doesn't have its own socket per GPU. so do you still consider it dual CPU rather than dualcore?

Read what I said..."DUAL CPU HAS ITs OWN SOCKET PER CPU." Dualcore has only 1 socket but a dual CPU system has 2 sockets (or have you never seen a 2 CPU system before?). I NEVER said dualcore has it's own socket per CPU I said DUAL CPU has it's own socket per CPU. Please read properly and don't misquote me. It's tiresome to repeat what I've said over and over again just because you misread it.

Each 7950 GPU is on it's own card right?? So each GPU has it's own socket. So it is more like dual CPU than dualcore.

So again:
So having said that do you consider a dual CPU system the same as dualcore??

oh.. I see, you are counting sockets...

but I'd consider a socket as something you can plug in.. you can't plug in a mobile 7900 chip onto the card. do you always buy graphic PCB and GPU seperately?

I do consider dual CPU system operating the same as a dualcore CPU system.

 

[nullpointerus]

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: nullpointerus
Oh, is that all? Then you have no point. The 7950GX2 uses one PCI-E slot on the system board, and that's the only slot that's relevant in the context of the original discussion.

That's because the first card is an expansion board, ie. it is two cards. :roll:

(see above)

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: beggerking
oh.. I see, you are counting sockets...

but I'd consider a socket as something you can plug in.. you can't plug in a mobile 7900 chip onto the card. do you always buy graphic PCB and GPU seperately?

Originally posted by: thilan29
Just like the dual CPU has it's own socket per CPU and memory(usually) this card has it's own socket/card and memory per GPU.

"Socket", "card"...what ever you want to call it, it has 2 separate "places" for the GPU to go, just like a 2 CPU system. And it has separate memory banks for each GPU, like a 2 CPU system usually does.

Originally posted by: beggerking
I do consider dual CPU system operating the same as a dualcore CPU system.

So it "operates" the same...but how it operates depends on software doesn't it, which you vehemently deny?? But I thought all that matters is the hardware?? Even in purely hardware terms dualcore operates differently from a dualcore system, especially in regards to memory and sometimes cache, as well as sometimes any communication done between the 2 processors.

So, in terms of hardware is a dual CPU system the same to you as a dualcore system?? And if they are different, why do you compare the 7950 to a dualcore system when it is in fact closer to a dual CPU system??

 

[Modular]

I read all the way to page 8 and then had to stop...

*pats self on back*

This card is the fastest single slot card available.

ATi fanboi's had some entertaining responses here.

Thanks for the laughs. If any of you are CE's I think the builders of e-machines are hiring.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: beggerking
oh.. I see, you are counting sockets...

but I'd consider a socket as something you can plug in.. you can't plug in a mobile 7900 chip onto the card. do you always buy graphic PCB and GPU seperately?

Originally posted by: thilan29
Just like the dual CPU has it's own socket per CPU and memory(usually) this card has it's own socket/card and memory per GPU.

"Socket", "card"...what ever you want to call it, it has 2 separate "places" for the GPU to go, just like a 2 CPU system. And it has separate memory banks for each GPU, like a 2 CPU system usually does.

actually, in a dual CPU system, memory is shared (physically). My point is, do you buy graphic PCB and GPU seperately? no you don't. They sell them as "cards" with PCI-e connectors. 7950 has 1 pci-e connector, same as 1900xt, therefore, its a single card. ( IMO. your socket perspective is sounding as well).

Originally posted by: beggerking
I do consider dual CPU system operating the same as a dualcore CPU system.

So it "operates" the same...but how it operates depends on software doesn't it, which you vehemently deny?? But I thought all that matters is the hardware?? Even in purely hardware terms dualcore operates differently from a dualcore system, especially in regards to memory and sometimes cache, as well as sometimes any communication done between the 2 processors.

So, in terms of hardware is a dual CPU system the same to you as a dualcore system?? And if they are different, why do you compare the 7950 to a dualcore system when it is in fact closer to a dual CPU system??

[/quote]

No. hardware is seperate from software. hardware DOES NOT "depend" on software to operate ( unless you are talking about bios). Hardware operate with its own programming in its bios, which is completely unrelated to how operating system feeds in data. it doesn't matter how many data streams the OS feeds in (as in SLI or windows scheduler), all hardware does is receiving data , process them, then output.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: beggerking
actually, in a dual CPU system, memory is shared (physically).

Actually I had a dual Xeon system that had 2 separate memory banks per CPU (dual channel per CPU) and no it wasn't shared. Some systems I have seen yes they are shared but most of the time it's not.

Originally posted by: beggerking
I do consider dual CPU system operating the same as a dualcore CPU system.

Even in purely hardware terms dualcore operates differently from a dualcore system, especially in regards to memory and sometimes cache, as well as sometimes any communication done between the 2 processors.

So, in terms of hardware is a dual CPU system the same to you as a dualcore system?? And if they are different, why do you compare the 7950 to a dualcore system when it is in fact closer to a dual CPU system??[/quote][/quote]


Answer the above question please.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: beggerking
actually, in a dual CPU system, memory is shared (physically).

Actually I had a dual Xeon system that had 2 separate memory banks per CPU (dual channel per CPU) and no it wasn't shared. Some systems I have seen yes they are shared but most of the time it's not.

ok, so some are shared and some are not. so lets take out the memory part out of the equation. agreed?

Originally posted by: beggerking
I do consider dual CPU system operating the same as a dualcore CPU system.

Even in purely hardware terms dualcore operates differently from a dualcore system, especially in regards to memory and sometimes cache, as well as sometimes any communication done between the 2 processors.

So, in terms of hardware is a dual CPU system the same to you as a dualcore system?? And if they are different, why do you compare the 7950 to a dualcore system when it is in fact closer to a dual CPU system??

Answer the above question please.

First of all, do you agree or disagree with my previous reply? that hardware is seperate from software..

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: beggerking
actually, in a dual CPU system, memory is shared (physically).

Actually I had a dual Xeon system that had 2 separate memory banks per CPU (dual channel per CPU) and no it wasn't shared. Some systems I have seen yes they are shared but most of the time it's not.

ok, so some are shared and some are not. so lets take out the memory part out of the equation. agreed?

Originally posted by: beggerking
I do consider dual CPU system operating the same as a dualcore CPU system.

Even in purely hardware terms dualcore operates differently from a dualcore system, especially in regards to memory and sometimes cache, as well as sometimes any communication done between the 2 processors.

So, in terms of hardware is a dual CPU system the same to you as a dualcore system?? And if they are different, why do you compare the 7950 to a dualcore system when it is in fact closer to a dual CPU system??

Answer the above question please.

I have asked this question several times so please don't dodge it.

 

[beggerking]

beggerking

Thilan29:
So it "operates" the same...but how it operates depends on software doesn't it, ?? ??

No. hardware is seperate from software. hardware DOES NOT "depend" on software to operate ( unless you are talking about bios). Hardware operate with its own programming in its bios, which is completely unrelated to how operating system feeds in data. it doesn't matter how many data streams the OS feeds in (as in SLI or windows scheduler), all hardware does is receiving data , process them, then output.

I answered your first question.. so do you agree on that?
if we couldn't even reach an agreement on the basics, it'd be pointless to go further.

so , DO YOU AGREE or Disagree? if disagree, give reason.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: beggerking
I answered your first question.. so do you agree on that?
if we couldn't even reach an agreement on the basics, it'd be pointless to go further.

You answered a rhetorical question...which didn't need an answer. And you cut off the more important part of my quote to boot. Nice.

I'll take it you're NOT gonna answer the question I posed in several posts including the one right above yours and come to my own conclusions. Good luck with the arguing.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: thilan29

Originally posted by: beggerking
I answered your first question.. so do you agree on that?
if we couldn't even reach an agreement on the basics, it'd be pointless to go further.

You answered a rhetorical question...which didn't need an answer. And you cut off the more important part of my quote to boot. Nice.

I'll take it you're NOT gonna answer the question I posed in several posts including the one right above yours and come to my own conclusions.

if its not important then why did you ask it as the first question?

If you don't even have a firm grasp on the rhetorical/basics of hardware, how are you suppose to understand it when I go into more detail?

so, do you agree? if not, give reason

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: nullpointerus

Originally posted by: Ulfhednar

Originally posted by: nullpointerus
Oh, is that all? Then you have no point. The 7950GX2 uses one PCI-E slot on the system board, and that's the only slot that's relevant in the context of the original discussion.

That's because the first card is an expansion board, ie. it is two cards. :roll:

(see above)

I guess that in your world the motherboard, CPU, and RAM are one device then, as they share a connection to the PSU to draw their power. Or maybe, like I said in my earlier example, in your world saline is not made up of water and salt. :roll: Your lack of ability to look at something with logic (or even common-sense) is astonishing, it really is.

I see you're just going to take keysplayr2003's approach and use a red-herring fallacy every time there's a point you cannot address, so let me spell this out for you: The topic at hand is is wether the 7950GX2 is a single or multi-card solution. One of the most important things to analyse when asking that is how it transfers data, and unfortunately for Nvidia, it transfers data by means of using one card as an expansion board for the second via a specialised 8x PCI-E slot inbetween them, thus defining it as two cards and destroying the fanboy argument that it only uses one PCI-E slot.

If you plan to continue this illogical and fallicious style of debate, please tell me now so I can ignore you. I have already wasted enough time eating one rabid fanboy alive, and I am too full for seconds.

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: beggerking


No. hardware is seperate from software. hardware DOES NOT "depend" on software to operate ( unless you are talking about bios). Hardware operate with its own programming in its bios, which is completely unrelated to how operating system feeds in data. it doesn't matter how many data streams the OS feeds in (as in SLI or windows scheduler), all hardware does is receiving data , process them, then output.

Here we go again. Beggerking, when you build a new rig do you put any drivers on it?

hardware DOES NOT "depend" on software to operate ( unless you are talking about bios

that is our point. In my book bios is software and before you where claiming without a doubt that hardware could run completly without software. After you have altered what you where saying a bit I can agree that hardware when you first boot up is running with only bios software, but I and just about everyone else fixes that quickly and installs drivers. Why? Oh, I don't know it's just that some people like to use their $500 video cards and play games and do all of the other things that your hardware can't do UNLESS YOU INSTALL THE RIGHT DRIVER/SOFTWARE!!!!!!!!

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: beggerking
OMG, do you even know what you are reading?
LPTSTR driverPath; //driver disk path
means

right after that, "//driver disk path" is a comment to let another programmer know "driverPath" variable holds the path to find a driver.

So it does exist then. All you've done here is clarify it. Thanks for proving yourself wrong. Once again it is then summerized further down:

no, my boy, he specifically commented its a disk path, which is a path to a disk location. How pathetic of you that you couldn't interpret that correctly.

?????? Where in that link does he say that "disk path" is a path for a disk location? Or did you just make that up?

You've already admitted it exists because you were talking about the differences in the "names". You tried to define it in your own words:

right after that, "//driver disk path" is a comment to let another programmer know "driverPath" variable holds the path to find a driver.

I underlined the specific parts in which he discusses the "driver path". Look at the sentence that summarizes it you wack-job, the one I've showed you now numerous times:

Originally found in: the link
This function is used to initialize the parameters of the driver such as: driver name, driver path and driver dos name. If you only know the driver path, the funtion tries to get the rest of the parameters.

It does exist and now your rambling in hopes to cloud up everything.

Yet again, you haven't brought anything of relevance in any of your previous arguments to the table. You are the dumbest person I've encountered on any forum. I can't believe you couldn't grasp what I highlighted in my last post.....it really is dumbfounding that you can actually be that moronic. Your quoted post cuts off my reply right where it starts to indicate that you're wrong. But its okay, I know you have selective reading.

Are you going to explain your magic software? Are you going to tell us why anything is possible through software, regardless whether or not the hardware will allow it?

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
In terms of hardware it's a single card (one slot, works in non-SLI motherboards, etc).

In terms of software it's two cards because the drivers react to the card like they do with two cards in SLI.

That's what he first said, and this was your reply:

Originally posted by: beggerking
and BFG10K is wrong. software is required for a SLI setup so the OS can distribute data to each GPU evenly to allow parallelism, there is nothing physically related between software and hardware. NV might as well tweak the SLI to allow single GPU to be used, but then that would be a waste of time since there is no need for data distribution/balancing on a single GPU. Same apply to dual core CPU, an OS supporting multiCPU is required to make use of its 2nd core.

Since then you have been arguing how hardware and software are not dependent upon eachother when in fact they are. Even the average Joe knows that without the proper software, a computer is worthless.

Since you are the software god, can you show me how to "fool" my computer into thinking that it has two cards? Two CPU's? Can you show me how to do HT on an A64? Or better yet (and actually on the topic of the thread) can you explain how a 7950GX2 will be effecient at playing games without a driver? Even if it has a driver installed, if the SLI isn't activated, how will it do?

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: redbox
I don't know it's just that some people like to use their $500 video cards and play games and do all of the other things that your hardware can't do UNLESS YOU INSTALL THE RIGHT DRIVER/SOFTWARE!!!!!!!!

still doesn't change the fact that hardware IS seperate from software. its not like the hardware (7950) is going to break w/o SLI software. Hardware does the same (fetch, processing, output) with or without software.

 

[Ulfhednar]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: redbox
I don't know it's just that some people like to use their $500 video cards and play games and do all of the other things that your hardware can't do UNLESS YOU INSTALL THE RIGHT DRIVER/SOFTWARE!!!!!!!!

still doesn't change the fact that hardware IS seperate from software. its not like the hardware (7950) is going to break w/o SLI software. Hardware does the same (fetch, processing, output) with or without software.

Hardware is seperate from software, but they still depend on eachother and are limited by eachother, which I think is the point the guys here are making.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: redbox
I don't know it's just that some people like to use their $500 video cards and play games and do all of the other things that your hardware can't do UNLESS YOU INSTALL THE RIGHT DRIVER/SOFTWARE!!!!!!!!

still doesn't change the fact that hardware IS seperate from software. its not like the hardware (7950) is going to break w/o SLI software. Hardware does the same (fetch, processing, output) with or without software.

Not without a bios, which is also software.

Ulfhednar, QFT.

 

[Wreckage]

The 7950GX2 works in an ASUS A8R32-MVP Deluxe ATI CrossFire Xpress 3200 motherboard which does not support SLI. That would make it ONE CARD. It works in systems that don't have dual PCIe X16 slots. That would make it ONE CARD. You can't seperate it and run it in 2 computers. That would make it ONE CARD. You can't order it seprated. That would make it ONE CARD. It is just one video card as anyone who can install their own video card without adult supervision can clearly see.

/thread

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: josh6079

Originally posted by: beggerking
OMG, do you even know what you are reading?
LPTSTR driverPath; //driver disk path
means

right after that, "//driver disk path" is a comment to let another programmer know "driverPath" variable holds the path to find a driver.

So it does exist then. All you've done here is clarify it. Thanks for proving yourself wrong. Once again it is then summerized further down:

no, my boy, he specifically commented its a disk path, which is a path to a disk location. How pathetic of you that you couldn't interpret that correctly.

?????? Where in that link does he say that "disk path" is a path for a disk location? Or did you just make that up?

bolded. what do you think it means then?

btw, pmed mod

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: josh6079
Not without a bios, which is also software.

Actually it's firmware