So confused about the beginning of Christianity

[harobikes333]

Go ask your preacher

 

[DurocShark]

http://www.carm.org/catholic.htm

 

[QED]

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: MathMan


If you look at the original Hebrew, the name used for Peter is "Petros"-- meaning a stone. But the word used for "this rock" is "petra"-- meaning a large stone or a bedrock. The words, although similiar, are not interchangeable.

What exactly was the bedrock Jesus was referring to that His church would be built upon? Look up two verses to find Peter declaring to Jesus that "You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God".

That is the basis of Christianity-- acknowledging Jesus as Christ, the Son of the Living God.

Catholics have corrupted that idea...

Do you mean Greek? Anyway:

Oops... I did mean Greek...

"Origins of Peter as Pope


The New Testament contains five different metaphors for the foundation of the Church (Matt. 16:18, 1 Cor. 3:11, Eph. 2:20, 1 Pet. 2:5?6, Rev. 21:14). One metaphor that has been disputed is Jesus Christ?s calling the apostle Peter "rock": "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it" (Matt. 16:18).

Some have tried to argue that Jesus did not mean that his Church would be built on Peter but on something else.

Some argue that in this passage there is a minor difference between the Greek term for Peter (Petros) and the term for rock (petra), yet they ignore the obvious explanation: petra, a feminine noun, has simply been modifed to have a masculine ending, since one would not refer to a man (Peter) as feminine. The change in the gender is purely for stylistic reasons.

This makes little sense-- Peter's name was already feminized... so it makes no sense to say "one would not refer to a man as feminine".

These critics also neglect the fact that Jesus spoke Aramaic, and, as John 1:42 tells us, in everyday life he actually referred to Peter as Kepha or Cephas (depending on how it is transliterated). It is that term which is then translated into Greek as petros. Thus, what Jesus actually said to Peter in Aramaic was: "You are Kepha and on this very kepha I will build my Church."

They are supposing here what Jesus really said to obliterate the fact the in the original Greek two seperate, distinct words were used-- not one. If the original Aramaic was as described, wouldn't they have translated it more properly "You are Petra and on this very petra I will build my Church"?? The fact is they didn't. So apparently the distinction was of enough note to record...

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: SophalotJack
it's funny to see people base their lives around fictional accounts of people who would think electricity and airplanes are a form of witchcraft.

Many of the things that religions try to explain are as real as electricity or airplanes, but are just as unexplainable without some kind of faith as they always have been.

love, curiosity, time..

 

[NiteWulf]

Originally posted by: RCN
Do you mean Greek? Anyway:

"Origins of Peter as Pope


The New Testament contains five different metaphors for the foundation of the Church (Matt. 16:18, 1 Cor. 3:11, Eph. 2:20, 1 Pet. 2:5?6, Rev. 21:14). One metaphor that has been disputed is Jesus Christ?s calling the apostle Peter "rock": "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it" (Matt. 16:18).

Some have tried to argue that Jesus did not mean that his Church would be built on Peter but on something else.

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Thus, what Jesus actually said to Peter in Aramaic was: "You are Kepha and on this very kepha I will build my Church."

http://www.catholic.com/library/Origins_of_Peter_as_Pope.asp

The Church was built on Peter, but not solely on Peter. See Ephesians 2:20. There were many people who served as the foundation of the Church, with Jesus being the "chief cornerstone" (keystone of or largest part of the foundation). Peter was given the "keys to the kingdom of Heaven"*. He used them to open the door to the Church (also referred to as the Kingdom [Col. 1:13]) on Pentecost after Jesus had ascended back to heaven [Acts ch. 1&2]


*The wording here in Matt. 16:19 is not entirely clear to me whether the keys were given to Peter or the 12, but it seems much more likely he was talking to Peter. Again see Acts ch. 2

 

[NiteWulf]

Originally posted by: Mermaidman
"The first civilization to discover Theology will found Christianity."

Was that a quote from somebody or did you get that from Civilization 4?