So confused about the beginning of Christianity

[Powermoloch]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
haha ok powermoloch

lol :thumbsup:

I got David mixed up with "john" dude lol

 

[RCN]

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
(also, this doesn't have anything to do with the Jews but after Rome fell, the Chrisian world became physically split in two and each part was unable to communicate with the other. One part became the Roman Catholic Church and the other part became the Eastern Orthodox Church. Later, Martin Lurthor ignited dissent and the Catholic church splintered and became some of the various denominations that exists today.)

The Christian church never split, the catholic church is a seperate entitity entirely. They have entirely different beliefs, traditions, and gods that they pray to.

WTF are you talking about?

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
(also, this doesn't have anything to do with the Jews but after Rome fell, the Chrisian world became physically split in two and each part was unable to communicate with the other. One part became the Roman Catholic Church and the other part became the Eastern Orthodox Church. Later, Martin Lurthor ignited dissent and the Catholic church splintered and became some of the various denominations that exists today.)

The Christian church never split, the catholic church is a seperate entitity entirely. They have entirely different beliefs, traditions, and gods that they pray to.

horribly wrong. catholic = christian. christian means you believe in christ, simple as that. christians (protestants, lutherans, baptists, etc.) have varying practices of worship, but ultimately worship the same one god as catholics do

That is entirely untrue. I have studied cults for a long time, and there is one common strand between them all. Catholicism was the first, and is actually a lot easier to tell that it's a cult than any other. It blatantly goes against it's own supposed teachings. Many of the traditions and beliefs of the catholic church are not allowed according to the bible.

Even the catholic church believes they are seperate. You can't join them unless you get baptised in their church. Now if all things were equal, why would they require that? You must follow their rules, theirtraditions, that they made up. You have to say prayers that the bible has said not to say, call the leader of your church a title that is forbidden by Jesus Christ himself, and wear a silly robe while doing it. In every possible way, they are not Christian. If you would like to argue that any further, feel free to PM me. I will tell you right now that I have had much experience with cults, and cultists, many much crazier than an upset catholic. And I've dealt with some really upset catholics that have gone so far to say they hate christians. They are that seperate, believe it or not.

 

[RCN]

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
(also, this doesn't have anything to do with the Jews but after Rome fell, the Chrisian world became physically split in two and each part was unable to communicate with the other. One part became the Roman Catholic Church and the other part became the Eastern Orthodox Church. Later, Martin Lurthor ignited dissent and the Catholic church splintered and became some of the various denominations that exists today.)

The Christian church never split, the catholic church is a seperate entitity entirely. They have entirely different beliefs, traditions, and gods that they pray to.

horribly wrong. catholic = christian. christian means you believe in christ, simple as that. christians (protestants, lutherans, baptists, etc.) have varying practices of worship, but ultimately worship the same one god as catholics do

That is entirely untrue. I have studied cults for a long time, and there is one common strand between them all. Catholicism was the first, and is actually a lot easier to tell that it's a cult than any other. It blatantly goes against it's own supposed teachings. Many of the traditions and beliefs of the catholic church are not allowed according to the bible.

Even the catholic church believes they are seperate. You can't join them unless you get baptised in their church. Now if all things were equal, why would they require that? You must follow their rules, theirtraditions, that they made up. You have to say prayers that the bible has said not to say, call the leader of your church a title that is forbidden by Jesus Christ himself, and wear a silly robe while doing it. In every possible way, they are not Christian. If you would like to argue that any further, feel free to PM me. I will tell you right now that I have had much experience with cults, and cultists, many much crazier than an upset catholic. And I've dealt with some really upset catholics that have gone so far to say they hate christians. They are that seperate, believe it or not.

"I say to you, you are Peter and upon this rock I will build my church..."

<-- not catholic

They are christians. A cult? Sure. I guess all "religions" are.

 

[dawnbug]

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
(also, this doesn't have anything to do with the Jews but after Rome fell, the Chrisian world became physically split in two and each part was unable to communicate with the other. One part became the Roman Catholic Church and the other part became the Eastern Orthodox Church. Later, Martin Lurthor ignited dissent and the Catholic church splintered and became some of the various denominations that exists today.)

The Christian church never split, the catholic church is a seperate entitity entirely. They have entirely different beliefs, traditions, and gods that they pray to.

horribly wrong. catholic = christian. christian means you believe in christ, simple as that. christians (protestants, lutherans, baptists, etc.) have varying practices of worship, but ultimately worship the same one god as catholics do

That is entirely untrue. I have studied cults for a long time, and there is one common strand between them all. Catholicism was the first, and is actually a lot easier to tell that it's a cult than any other. It blatantly goes against it's own supposed teachings. Many of the traditions and beliefs of the catholic church are not allowed according to the bible.

Even the catholic church believes they are seperate. You can't join them unless you get baptised in their church. Now if all things were equal, why would they require that? You must follow their rules, theirtraditions, that they made up. You have to say prayers that the bible has said not to say, call the leader of your church a title that is forbidden by Jesus Christ himself, and wear a silly robe while doing it. In every possible way, they are not Christian. If you would like to argue that any further, feel free to PM me. I will tell you right now that I have had much experience with cults, and cultists, many much crazier than an upset catholic. And I've dealt with some really upset catholics that have gone so far to say they hate christians. They are that seperate, believe it or not.

Church of England (I believe the first Protestant sect of Christianity) created when Henry VIII wanted to divorce his wife, but couldn't because the Catholic church forbade it. So Protestantism is the result of Catholicism. Are you saying that Christianity (which you think doesn't include Catholicism) was created by a king who wanted to divorce his wife?

I'm not religious at all, and I could be wrong about some of this, but I was pretty sure that the Church of England and the Puritans were the first protestants.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: LadyBuggy
Church of England (I believe the first Protestant sect of Christianity) created when Henry VIII wanted to divorce his wife, but couldn't because the Catholic church forbade it. So Protestantism is the result of Catholicism. Are you saying that Christianity (which you think doesn't include Catholicism) was created by a king who wanted to divorce his wife?

I'm not religious at all, and I could be wrong about some of this, but I was pretty sure that the Church of England and the Puritans were the first protestants.

Protestants weren't the first church either. It would be downright silly to say they were. The church was designed, empowered and put into affect while Jesus still did his ministry. What came later was a complete mess of things.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
(also, this doesn't have anything to do with the Jews but after Rome fell, the Chrisian world became physically split in two and each part was unable to communicate with the other. One part became the Roman Catholic Church and the other part became the Eastern Orthodox Church. Later, Martin Lurthor ignited dissent and the Catholic church splintered and became some of the various denominations that exists today.)

The Christian church never split, the catholic church is a seperate entitity entirely. They have entirely different beliefs, traditions, and gods that they pray to.

horribly wrong. catholic = christian. christian means you believe in christ, simple as that. christians (protestants, lutherans, baptists, etc.) have varying practices of worship, but ultimately worship the same one god as catholics do

That is entirely untrue. I have studied cults for a long time, and there is one common strand between them all. Catholicism was the first, and is actually a lot easier to tell that it's a cult than any other. It blatantly goes against it's own supposed teachings. Many of the traditions and beliefs of the catholic church are not allowed according to the bible.

Even the catholic church believes they are seperate. You can't join them unless you get baptised in their church. Now if all things were equal, why would they require that? You must follow their rules, theirtraditions, that they made up. You have to say prayers that the bible has said not to say, call the leader of your church a title that is forbidden by Jesus Christ himself, and wear a silly robe while doing it. In every possible way, they are not Christian. If you would like to argue that any further, feel free to PM me. I will tell you right now that I have had much experience with cults, and cultists, many much crazier than an upset catholic. And I've dealt with some really upset catholics that have gone so far to say they hate christians. They are that seperate, believe it or not.

i never said that the catholic church and the christian churches weren't different. i said that they're all christians in the end, regardless of form of worship.

please point out where catholicism contradicts itself.

the way you define a cult, most religions would classify as cults.

 

[SophalotJack]

it's funny to see people base their lives around fictional accounts of people who would think electricity and airplanes are a form of witchcraft.

 

[RCN]

Originally posted by: LadyBuggy

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
(also, this doesn't have anything to do with the Jews but after Rome fell, the Chrisian world became physically split in two and each part was unable to communicate with the other. One part became the Roman Catholic Church and the other part became the Eastern Orthodox Church. Later, Martin Lurthor ignited dissent and the Catholic church splintered and became some of the various denominations that exists today.)

The Christian church never split, the catholic church is a seperate entitity entirely. They have entirely different beliefs, traditions, and gods that they pray to.

horribly wrong. catholic = christian. christian means you believe in christ, simple as that. christians (protestants, lutherans, baptists, etc.) have varying practices of worship, but ultimately worship the same one god as catholics do

That is entirely untrue. I have studied cults for a long time, and there is one common strand between them all. Catholicism was the first, and is actually a lot easier to tell that it's a cult than any other. It blatantly goes against it's own supposed teachings. Many of the traditions and beliefs of the catholic church are not allowed according to the bible.

Even the catholic church believes they are seperate. You can't join them unless you get baptised in their church. Now if all things were equal, why would they require that? You must follow their rules, theirtraditions, that they made up. You have to say prayers that the bible has said not to say, call the leader of your church a title that is forbidden by Jesus Christ himself, and wear a silly robe while doing it. In every possible way, they are not Christian. If you would like to argue that any further, feel free to PM me. I will tell you right now that I have had much experience with cults, and cultists, many much crazier than an upset catholic. And I've dealt with some really upset catholics that have gone so far to say they hate christians. They are that seperate, believe it or not.

Church of England (I believe the first Protestant sect of Christianity) created when Henry VIII wanted to divorce his wife, but couldn't because the Catholic church forbade it. So Protestantism is the result of Catholicism. Are you saying that Christianity (which you think doesn't include Catholicism) was created by a king who wanted to divorce his wife?

I'm not religious at all, and I could be wrong about some of this, but I was pretty sure that the Church of England and the Puritans were the first protestants.

Not true afaik and I think the term "protestant" could be applied as far back as the Ebionites but of course they were not the first be labled as such.


Edit: from wikipedia (I know, I know):

"Originally, "protestant" meant "to be a witness for something" rather than "to be against something", as the current popular interpretation of the word seems to imply. The prefix pro means "for" in Latin. The Latin adjective protestans refers to "a person who gives public testimony for something or who proves or demonstrates something". The term Protestant originally applied to the group of princes and imperial cities who "protested" the decision by the 1529 Diet of Speyer to reverse course, and enforce the 1521 Edict of Worms. The 1521 edict forbade Lutheran teachings within the Holy Roman Empire. The 1526 session of the Diet had agreed to toleration of Lutheran teachings (on the basis of Cuius regio, eius religio) until a General Council could be held to settle the question, but by 1529, the Catholic forces felt they had gathered enough power to end the toleration without waiting for a Council.

In a broader sense of the word, Protestant began to be used as the collective name for a sudden movement of separation from the Roman Catholic Church, the beginning of which is ordinarily connected with the public disputes raised by Martin Luther. Later, John Calvin, French theologian among the Swiss; Zwinglian, and Reformed churches figured prominently in a movement that embraced a wider, more international diversity of churches. A third major branch of the Reformation, which encountered conflict with the Catholics, as well as with the Lutherans and the Reformed, is sometimes called the Radical Reformation. Some Western, non-Catholic, groups are labeled as Protestant (such as the Religious Society of Friends, for example), even if the sect acknowledges no historical connection to Luther, Calvin or the Roman Catholic Church.

In German-speaking and Scandinavian lands, the word "Protestant" still refers to Lutheran churches in contrast to Reformed churches, while the common designation for all churches originating from the Reformation is "Evangelical".

As an intellectual movement, Protestantism grew out of the Renaissance and universities, attracting some learned intellectuals, as well as politicians, professionals, and skilled tradesmen and artisans. The new technology of the printing press allowed Protestant ideas to spread rapidly, as well as aiding in the dissemination of translations of the Bible in native tongues. Nascent Protestant social ideals of liberty of conscience, and individual freedom, were formed through continuous confrontation with the authority of the Bishop of Rome, and the hierarchy of the Catholic priesthood. The Protestant movement away from the constraints of tradition, toward greater emphasis on individual conscience, anticipated later developments of democratization, and the so-called "Enlightenment" of later centuries."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant

 

[Pepsi90919]

smart people invent cult to silence sheep about their questions about the beginning of the world. sheep multiply and cult spreads. end of story.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: LadyBuggy

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
(also, this doesn't have anything to do with the Jews but after Rome fell, the Chrisian world became physically split in two and each part was unable to communicate with the other. One part became the Roman Catholic Church and the other part became the Eastern Orthodox Church. Later, Martin Lurthor ignited dissent and the Catholic church splintered and became some of the various denominations that exists today.)

The Christian church never split, the catholic church is a seperate entitity entirely. They have entirely different beliefs, traditions, and gods that they pray to.

horribly wrong. catholic = christian. christian means you believe in christ, simple as that. christians (protestants, lutherans, baptists, etc.) have varying practices of worship, but ultimately worship the same one god as catholics do

That is entirely untrue. I have studied cults for a long time, and there is one common strand between them all. Catholicism was the first, and is actually a lot easier to tell that it's a cult than any other. It blatantly goes against it's own supposed teachings. Many of the traditions and beliefs of the catholic church are not allowed according to the bible.

Even the catholic church believes they are seperate. You can't join them unless you get baptised in their church. Now if all things were equal, why would they require that? You must follow their rules, theirtraditions, that they made up. You have to say prayers that the bible has said not to say, call the leader of your church a title that is forbidden by Jesus Christ himself, and wear a silly robe while doing it. In every possible way, they are not Christian. If you would like to argue that any further, feel free to PM me. I will tell you right now that I have had much experience with cults, and cultists, many much crazier than an upset catholic. And I've dealt with some really upset catholics that have gone so far to say they hate christians. They are that seperate, believe it or not.

Church of England (I believe the first Protestant sect of Christianity) created when Henry VIII wanted to divorce his wife, but couldn't because the Catholic church forbade it. So Protestantism is the result of Catholicism. Are you saying that Christianity (which you think doesn't include Catholicism) was created by a king who wanted to divorce his wife?

I'm not religious at all, and I could be wrong about some of this, but I was pretty sure that the Church of England and the Puritans were the first protestants.

Not true afaik and I think the term "protestant" could be applied as far back as the Ebionites but of course they were not the first be labled as such.


Edit: from wikipedia (I know, I know):

"Originally, "protestant" meant "to be a witness for something" rather than "to be against something", as the current popular interpretation of the word seems to imply. The prefix pro means "for" in Latin. The Latin adjective protestans refers to "a person who gives public testimony for something or who proves or demonstrates something". The term Protestant originally applied to the group of princes and imperial cities who "protested" the decision by the 1529 Diet of Speyer to reverse course, and enforce the 1521 Edict of Worms. The 1521 edict forbade Lutheran teachings within the Holy Roman Empire. The 1526 session of the Diet had agreed to toleration of Lutheran teachings (on the basis of Cuius regio, eius religio) until a General Council could be held to settle the question, but by 1529, the Catholic forces felt they had gathered enough power to end the toleration without waiting for a Council.

In a broader sense of the word, Protestant began to be used as the collective name for a sudden movement of separation from the Roman Catholic Church, the beginning of which is ordinarily connected with the public disputes raised by Martin Luther. Later, John Calvin, French theologian among the Swiss; Zwinglian, and Reformed churches figured prominently in a movement that embraced a wider, more international diversity of churches. A third major branch of the Reformation, which encountered conflict with the Catholics, as well as with the Lutherans and the Reformed, is sometimes called the Radical Reformation. Some Western, non-Catholic, groups are labeled as Protestant (such as the Religious Society of Friends, for example), even if the sect acknowledges no historical connection to Luther, Calvin or the Roman Catholic Church.

In German-speaking and Scandinavian lands, the word "Protestant" still refers to Lutheran churches in contrast to Reformed churches, while the common designation for all churches originating from the Reformation is "Evangelical".

As an intellectual movement, Protestantism grew out of the Renaissance and universities, attracting some learned intellectuals, as well as politicians, professionals, and skilled tradesmen and artisans. The new technology of the printing press allowed Protestant ideas to spread rapidly, as well as aiding in the dissemination of translations of the Bible in native tongues. Nascent Protestant social ideals of liberty of conscience, and individual freedom, were formed through continuous confrontation with the authority of the Bishop of Rome, and the hierarchy of the Catholic priesthood. The Protestant movement away from the constraints of tradition, toward greater emphasis on individual conscience, anticipated later developments of democratization, and the so-called "Enlightenment" of later centuries."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_england#History

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: JEDI
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=38&threadid=1812112&enterthread=y">If Moses found the 10 Commandments...</a>

so the old testament was about the jews, moses, and the 10 commandments. the new testament was about jesus and christianity? and the combination is the bible? why isnt just the new testament the christian bible, since the old testament were about the jews?

How did it go from old to new? what do jews follow after the old testament stopped?

<------- non religious

Esplain pls

Because we all like to pretend our religion is the "real" one. Its crap. Christianity AND Islam are just bastard children of the original monotheistic religion. We took their scripture, their characters, their holy city and temple, and their homeland, and then we blamed them for killing "our" Messiah and have spent centuries persecuting them for it, even though said Messiah was himself a JEW. Arabic Muslims are still trying to justify all of it, but anyone who can read a history book knows they're full of shyt, and that their Ishmael was actually the Bibilical son of Abraham, ie, the son of THE Jew himself.

If Christians and Muslims REALLY believed their scriptures, they'd be helping and protecting the Hebrews, not trying to slaughter them. Our "God", and their Allah, was the God of the Jews, and they his "chosen people" millenia before there was even such a thing as a Christian or Arab.

 

[RCN]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_england#History

I meant that this was not the start of Protestantism.............

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_england#History

I meant that this was not the start of Protestantism.............

i quoted just as you edited, unlucky timing on my part

 

[saahmed]

The Old Testament is God's original word. Jews followed it. I think early on Christians followed it too, but I'm not sure. But, the New Testament, was just a man-made alteration to the Old Testament. I guess, currently, most people consider the Bible to be the New Testament.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: Buck Armstrong

Originally posted by: JEDI
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=38&threadid=1812112&enterthread=y">If Moses found the 10 Commandments...</a>

so the old testament was about the jews, moses, and the 10 commandments. the new testament was about jesus and christianity? and the combination is the bible? why isnt just the new testament the christian bible, since the old testament were about the jews?

How did it go from old to new? what do jews follow after the old testament stopped?

<------- non religious

Esplain pls

Because we all like to pretend our religion is the "real" one. Its crap. Christianity AND Islam are just bastard children of the original monotheistic religion. We took their scripture, their characters, their holy city and temple, and their homeland, and then we blamed them for killing "our" Messiah and have spent centuries persecuting them for it, even though said Messiah was himself a JEW. Arabic Muslims are still trying to justify all of it, but anyone who can read a history book knows they're full of shyt, and that their Ishmael was actually the Bibilical son of Abraham, ie, the son of THE Jew himself.

If Christians and Muslims REALLY believed their scriptures, they'd be helping and protecting the Hebrews, not trying to slaughter them. Our "God", and their Allah, was the God of the Jews, and they his "chosen people" millenia before there was even such a thing as a Christian or Arab.

In a way, the United States, a Christian nation (you can definitely make a case that it's not anymore), has supported the Jews especially by giving aid and stuff like that... although I suppose it has less to do with the fact that they're Jews and more with the fact that we want influence in the Middle East. Now, I don't exactly know many Christians or Muslims, like myself, who are, as you say, trying to "slaughter" the Jews.


Judaism+Jesus= w00t, Christianity.

EDIT: And imo, the "church" that Peter and Jesus refer to is not a building or some sort of sect, but the body of all believers

 

[uhohs]

Originally posted by: Powermoloch
Jesus got most of his teachings from David.....he got baptized by David didn't he?

time travel rules.

 

[NiteWulf]

The Old Testament consists of the Torah and the writings of the prophets, which were to be followed by the Jews. It was the law for the Jews only. When Jesus came he was born a Jew, descended from David, and followed the Jewish law while delivering the message that God gave to him [John 7:16, 14:10, 24], which was the law for all people. This new law replaced the Jewish law [Col. 2:14, Rom. 7:4-6, 8:2 , Gal. 3:13, 19-25 Eph. 2:15, Heb. 7:18-19, 8:6-13, 10:9].

Christians study the Old Testament because it contains a great deal of history, helps to explain God, details the prophecy that confirms Jesus as the savior and Messiah, teaches discipline, and more[2 Timothy 3:15-16].

The Jews of today are those that follow the Old Testament but do not accept Jesus as the Messiah. There are Messianic Jews, which believe Jesus is the Messiah, but continue to follow Jewish law (Wikipedia).

 

[TBone48]

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: TBone48
Jews follow the old testament, mainly the first 5 books (Genesis-Deuteronomy) and the Torah. Christ was born raised lived and died a Jew. His original followers were called people or followers of "the way" based on his statement "I am the way, the truth and the life".

The original followers were called Christians, which is documented in the bible. Who told you they were called followers of "the way"? Was it the cult of the same name?

Acts 9: 1-2 "But Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest and asked him for letters to the synagogues at Damascus, so that if he found any belonging to the Way, men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem."

 

[Mermaidman]

"The first civilization to discover Theology will found Christianity."

 

[imported_Pablo]

Check it out for yourselves... This thread, while REALLY entertaining, isn't really gonna help anybody figure out anything, other than Jesus and David swam in the flood.

 

[QED]

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
(also, this doesn't have anything to do with the Jews but after Rome fell, the Chrisian world became physically split in two and each part was unable to communicate with the other. One part became the Roman Catholic Church and the other part became the Eastern Orthodox Church. Later, Martin Lurthor ignited dissent and the Catholic church splintered and became some of the various denominations that exists today.)

The Christian church never split, the catholic church is a seperate entitity entirely. They have entirely different beliefs, traditions, and gods that they pray to.

horribly wrong. catholic = christian. christian means you believe in christ, simple as that. christians (protestants, lutherans, baptists, etc.) have varying practices of worship, but ultimately worship the same one god as catholics do

That is entirely untrue. I have studied cults for a long time, and there is one common strand between them all. Catholicism was the first, and is actually a lot easier to tell that it's a cult than any other. It blatantly goes against it's own supposed teachings. Many of the traditions and beliefs of the catholic church are not allowed according to the bible.

Even the catholic church believes they are seperate. You can't join them unless you get baptised in their church. Now if all things were equal, why would they require that? You must follow their rules, theirtraditions, that they made up. You have to say prayers that the bible has said not to say, call the leader of your church a title that is forbidden by Jesus Christ himself, and wear a silly robe while doing it. In every possible way, they are not Christian. If you would like to argue that any further, feel free to PM me. I will tell you right now that I have had much experience with cults, and cultists, many much crazier than an upset catholic. And I've dealt with some really upset catholics that have gone so far to say they hate christians. They are that seperate, believe it or not.

"I say to you, you are Peter and upon this rock I will build my church..."

<-- not catholic

They are christians. A cult? Sure. I guess all "religions" are.

If you look at the original Hebrew, the name used for Peter is "Petros"-- meaning a stone. But the word used for "this rock" is "petra"-- meaning a large stone or a bedrock. The words, although similiar, are not interchangeable.

What exactly was the bedrock Jesus was referring to that His church would be built upon? Look up two verses to find Peter declaring to Jesus that "You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God".

That is the basis of Christianity-- acknowledging Jesus as Christ, the Son of the Living God.

Catholics have corrupted that idea...

 

[RCN]

Originally posted by: MathMan

Originally posted by: RCN

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
(also, this doesn't have anything to do with the Jews but after Rome fell, the Chrisian world became physically split in two and each part was unable to communicate with the other. One part became the Roman Catholic Church and the other part became the Eastern Orthodox Church. Later, Martin Lurthor ignited dissent and the Catholic church splintered and became some of the various denominations that exists today.)

The Christian church never split, the catholic church is a seperate entitity entirely. They have entirely different beliefs, traditions, and gods that they pray to.

horribly wrong. catholic = christian. christian means you believe in christ, simple as that. christians (protestants, lutherans, baptists, etc.) have varying practices of worship, but ultimately worship the same one god as catholics do

That is entirely untrue. I have studied cults for a long time, and there is one common strand between them all. Catholicism was the first, and is actually a lot easier to tell that it's a cult than any other. It blatantly goes against it's own supposed teachings. Many of the traditions and beliefs of the catholic church are not allowed according to the bible.

Even the catholic church believes they are seperate. You can't join them unless you get baptised in their church. Now if all things were equal, why would they require that? You must follow their rules, theirtraditions, that they made up. You have to say prayers that the bible has said not to say, call the leader of your church a title that is forbidden by Jesus Christ himself, and wear a silly robe while doing it. In every possible way, they are not Christian. If you would like to argue that any further, feel free to PM me. I will tell you right now that I have had much experience with cults, and cultists, many much crazier than an upset catholic. And I've dealt with some really upset catholics that have gone so far to say they hate christians. They are that seperate, believe it or not.

"I say to you, you are Peter and upon this rock I will build my church..."

<-- not catholic

They are christians. A cult? Sure. I guess all "religions" are.

If you look at the original Hebrew, the name used for Peter is "Petros"-- meaning a stone. But the word used for "this rock" is "petra"-- meaning a large stone or a bedrock. The words, although similiar, are not interchangeable.

What exactly was the bedrock Jesus was referring to that His church would be built upon? Look up two verses to find Peter declaring to Jesus that "You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God".

That is the basis of Christianity-- acknowledging Jesus as Christ, the Son of the Living God.

Catholics have corrupted that idea...

Do you mean Greek? Anyway:

"Origins of Peter as Pope


The New Testament contains five different metaphors for the foundation of the Church (Matt. 16:18, 1 Cor. 3:11, Eph. 2:20, 1 Pet. 2:5?6, Rev. 21:14). One metaphor that has been disputed is Jesus Christ?s calling the apostle Peter "rock": "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it" (Matt. 16:18).

Some have tried to argue that Jesus did not mean that his Church would be built on Peter but on something else.

Some argue that in this passage there is a minor difference between the Greek term for Peter (Petros) and the term for rock (petra), yet they ignore the obvious explanation: petra, a feminine noun, has simply been modifed to have a masculine ending, since one would not refer to a man (Peter) as feminine. The change in the gender is purely for stylistic reasons.

These critics also neglect the fact that Jesus spoke Aramaic, and, as John 1:42 tells us, in everyday life he actually referred to Peter as Kepha or Cephas (depending on how it is transliterated). It is that term which is then translated into Greek as petros. Thus, what Jesus actually said to Peter in Aramaic was: "You are Kepha and on this very kepha I will build my Church."

http://www.catholic.com/library/Origins_of_Peter_as_Pope.asp

 

[Nutdotnet]

This thread WAS going well too...

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: NiteWulf
The Old Testament consists of the Torah and the writings of the prophets, which were to be followed by the Jews. It was the law for the Jews only. When Jesus came he was born a Jew, descended from David, and followed the Jewish law while delivering the message that God gave to him [John 7:16, 14:10, 24], which was the law for all people. This new law replaced the Jewish law [Col. 2:14, Rom. 7:4-6, 8:2 , Gal. 3:13, 19-25 Eph. 2:15, Heb. 7:18-19, 8:6-13, 10:9].

Christians study the Old Testament because it contains a great deal of history, helps to explain God, details the prophecy that confirms Jesus as the savior and Messiah, teaches discipline, and more[2 Timothy 3:15-16].

The Jews of today are those that follow the Old Testament but do not accept Jesus as the Messiah. There are Messianic Jews, which believe Jesus is the Messiah, but continue to follow Jewish law (Wikipedia).

There are so many inaccuracies in this thread it isnt funny...all of which chave been proven historically, but anyway, to answer the OP's question, Nite Wulf is correct. The only difference between the Old and New Testament is how the law deals with sin. Thats it. Jesus's death didnt invalidate the law, but simply fulfilled it.