So about that climate "Pause"......

[zinfamous]

ROFLMFAO. I am surprised that you can keep a straight face when making that argument. It requires a complete disconnect from measured reality.

That 3 mm/yr global rise rate is just so damn fast, no way to get out of the way. Hell in 400 years or so we will have a full meter higher sea levels.

I guess you don't Miami much, eh?

 

[dphantom]

We run lots of other power generation besides baseline, which wind and solar can (and do!) easily replace.

Ok, my mistake. You really are an idiot. You really do not understand baseline generation.

base load plants are designed to run continuously at very low cost providing the minimum amount of power (or more) the grid requires. renewables can certainly provide base load power but outside of hydro, wind and solar are too variable to be relied upon (yet) as is the case with nuclear, coal or NG base load plants.

if you want to switch your entire base load to renewables, have at it. But don't come to me in the middle of winter when your solar array is not generating any electricity or the middle of summer when those wind turbines are sitting idle in stagnant air. or build enough excess capacity at high capital and ongoing operating expenses to ensure you have enough and varied renewable sources to take the place of that base load station you so dislike.

 

[Jaskalas]

ROFLMFAO. I am surprised that you can keep a straight face when making that argument. It requires a complete disconnect from measured reality.

That 3 mm/yr global rise rate is just so damn fast, no way to get out of the way. Hell in 400 years or so we will have a full meter higher sea levels.

The rate will keep increasing as the temperature increases.
That's pretty basic.

That it'd take a long time to happen is, perhaps, why some believe the damage can be largely avoided and/or mitigated by taking action to reduce future warming.

 

[dphantom]

I guess you don't Miami much, eh?

You don't have much original thought do you? Miami is because of subsidence and ground water extraction. paratus tries hard but you really should do a little thinking on your own

 

[hal2kilo]

I guess you don't Miami much, eh?

Or Newport News, Norfolk, and Hampton VA.

http://www.virginiaplaces.org/climate/norfolkdrown.html

 

[Spungo]

Power needs to be generated 24/7. The sun is only up half the time, and the wind isn't always blowing.

The wind is always blowing somewhere. This is why something like wind power only works when a power grid is distributed over a very large area. The good news is that we already have a power grid distributed over a very large area. Just put up some wind turbines and you're good to go.

I'm not saying we should or should not support these things. I just want the discussion to remain as factual as possible. Saying wind power is too expensive is a perfectly valid argument. Saying it doesn't work is not a valid argument.

 

[fskimospy]

Ok, my mistake. You really are an idiot. You really do not understand baseline generation.

base load plants are designed to run continuously at very low cost providing the minimum amount of power (or more) the grid requires. renewables can certainly provide base load power but outside of hydro, wind and solar are too variable to be relied upon (yet) as is the case with nuclear, coal or NG base load plants.

if you want to switch your entire base load to renewables, have at it. But don't come to me in the middle of winter when your solar array is not generating any electricity or the middle of summer when those wind turbines are sitting idle in stagnant air. or build enough excess capacity at high capital and ongoing operating expenses to ensure you have enough and varied renewable sources to take the place of that base load station you so dislike.

You shouldn't call someone an idiot if you didn't bother to understand what they wrote. It makes you look like an idiot, haha.

 

[dank69]

LMAO!!!! If you get your electricity from sources that contribute to climate change you are partially responsible for said climate change.

I hope I don't ever see you complain about the national deficit because if you aren't sending all your savings and every spare cent you have left after survival costs you are partially responsible for said deficit.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Still waiting for the believers to go back to wood stoves, oil lamps, and horse/buggy. Once the believers set the example more people will be willing to listen/follow suit.

Why not go forward to geothermal heat pumps, voltaic powered LED systems and electric cars/efficient public transportation?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I hope I don't ever see you complain about the national deficit because if you aren't sending all your savings and every spare cent you have left after survival costs you are partially responsible for said deficit.

I start worrying about the deficit when those on left start caring about it.

 

[CZroe]

I thought we weren't supposed to draw conclusions from specific daily or yearly variances? 😉

 

[WHAMPOM]

You don't have much original thought do you? Miami is because of subsidence and ground water extraction. paratus tries hard but you really should do a little thinking on your own

Why would they extract ground water anywhere near Miami? Last I heard it's all salt water for miles inland.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Or Newport News, Norfolk, and Hampton VA.

http://www.virginiaplaces.org/climate/norfolkdrown.html

Just remember Willoughby Spit was created by a hurricane years ago. What the sea giveth, the sea can taketh away.

 

[Paratus]

You don't have much original thought do you? Miami is because of subsidence and ground water extraction. paratus tries hard but you really should do a little thinking on your own

I await a link with baited breath showing that subsidence is the primary cause of tidal flooding for the City of Miami Beach.

 

[zinfamous]

You don't have much original thought do you? Miami is because of subsidence and ground water extraction. paratus tries hard but you really should do a little thinking on your own

I don't see Paratus trying hard, at all. He doesn't have to. I see a lot of fumbling from those trying to cook numbers that refute his, and failing miserably.

As such, I am curious about your data regarding the Florida coastline.

 

[DrPizza]

ROFLMFAO. I am surprised that you can keep a straight face when making that argument. It requires a complete disconnect from measured reality.

That 3 mm/yr global rise rate is just so damn fast, no way to get out of the way. Hell in 400 years or so we will have a full meter higher sea levels.

The rate has increased significantly since the beginning of the century. If I recall, the rate has not increased for about the past decade, but that's not expected to last. Nonetheless, a HUGE if is the antarctic ice sheet. I think that in 2012 or 2013, the IPCC said that it's not certain if the antarctic ice sheet would lose or gain mass by 2100 - the warmer temperatures would not be enough to simply melt away the ice, but would contribute to more snow, resulting in more water mass being added to the ice sheets. But, there's a huge uncertainty: warmer water along the edge could cause the collapse of the ice shelf & result in several 10's of centimeters of sea level rise before 2100.

Further, worrying about 2100 is fairly near-sighted. Sea level rise will continue to accelerate. By 2100, the temperatures could be 2C warmer than they have been. The last time global temperatures were that warm, the sea level was ~10 meters higher - that's what those temperatures lead to. Do you have any clue how many cities are within 10 meters of sea level?? So, what will it look like by 2200? Think about that - many of these cities existed 200 years ago; 200 years is a long time compared to a single human life, but really, not that long on a geologic scale, or on the scale of our civilizations.

 

[chucky2]

Man, sounds like a real problem! Are you saying that literally every part of CO2 added to the atmosphere contributes to the issue?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

...and that's why you get called a denier. We have a pretty good idea of what's happening and what needs to be done about it. You just plug your ears and cover your eyes and start spewing nonsense.

Aye. That's it. Paint with that broad brush. Ignore what I actually said and imagine that I am the one covering my eyes.

I'll say it again:

Lets also face the simple facts. We honestly don't know what we are fucking with. So what changes can we make that we already aren't trying to tackle?

And no, we really don't have a decent grasp on what is going on. If we did it could be modeled decently and to this day the models, and predictions, continue to fail. Paratus has even made the claim that the IPCC was right all along. lol. Is that why they have had to revise their predictions downward each and every time they convene?

Some of you guys are way, way too full of yourselves on this subject. Get a grip and drop the arrogance.

 

[sandorski]

Aye. That's it. Paint with that broad brush. Ignore what I actually said and imagine that I am the one covering my eyes.

I'll say it again:

Lets also face the simple facts. We honestly don't know what we are fucking with. So what changes can we make that we already aren't trying to tackle?

And no, we really don't have a decent grasp on what is going on. If we did it could be modeled decently and to this day the models, and predictions, continue to fail. Paratus has even made the claim that the IPCC was right all along. lol. Is that why they have had to revise their predictions downward each and every time they convene?

Some of you guys are way, way too full of yourselves on this subject. Get a grip and drop the arrogance.

There you go again.

 

[bshole]

Or Newport News, Norfolk, and Hampton VA.

http://www.virginiaplaces.org/climate/norfolkdrown.html

For fucks sake, has nobody heard of the Netherlands? Their coastal provinces are 3 to 23 feet below sea level and have been for centuries now. They are coping quite well and did so even before the technological revolution. Why in the hell would it be any different for America in 21st century?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

There you go again.

Yep. And?

Or do you have nothing else? Feel free to show me the models that back up anthropogenic warming as the cause of climate change. Or do you not claim that anthropogenic warming is the only cause?

Inquiring minds.

You see, the deniers that people like you love to use their broad brush to tag aren't actually deniers. I don't deny that climate change is happening. I'm just not stupid enough, or arrogant enough, to assume that man is the sole cause of the change. But feel free to be the self-flagellating type if that is what you must do.

 

[Paratus]

Aye. That's it. Paint with that broad brush. Ignore what I actually said and imagine that I am the one covering my eyes.

I'll say it again:

Lets also face the simple facts. We honestly don't know what we are fucking with. So what changes can we make that we already aren't trying to tackle?

And no, we really don't have a decent grasp on what is going on. If we did it could be modeled decently and to this day the models, and predictions, continue to fail. Paratus has even made the claim that the IPCC was right all along. lol. Is that why they have had to revise their predictions downward each and every time they convene?

Some of you guys are way, way too full of yourselves on this subject. Get a grip and drop the arrogance.

Wow my name gets taken in vain in a lot of these threads 😀. Guess I should take that as a compliment.

I made the claim that the IPCC was right because that's what the data shows.

Here's the predicted ranges of warming / year from he first (1990), second (1995) and third (2001) IPCC reports.

And here's the predicted sea level rise:

You said we just don't have a decent grasp of what's going on. That comparison shows me we had a good enough grasp to accurately predict warming rates and sea level rise 22 years later.

What do those comparisons tell you?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Wow my name gets taken in vain in a lot of these threads 😀. Guess I should take that as a compliment.

I made the claim that the IPCC was right because that's what the data shows.

Here's the predicted ranges of warming / year from he first (1990), second (1995) and third (2001) IPCC reports.

And here's the predicted sea level rise:

You said we just don't have a decent grasp of what's going on. That comparison shows me we had a good enough grasp to accurately predict warming rates and sea level rise 22 years later.

What do those comparisons tell you?

They tell me that you've neglected to mention that the IPCC have revised their estimates each and every time they have convened.

Awesome predictions. :thumbsup:

 

[Paratus]

Yep. And?

Or do you have nothing else? Feel free to show me the models that back up anthropogenic warming as the cause of climate change. Or do you not claim that anthropogenic warming is the only cause?

Inquiring minds.

You see, the deniers that people like you love to use their broad brush to tag aren't actually deniers. I don't deny that climate change is happening. I'm just not stupid enough, or arrogant enough, to assume that man is the sole cause of the change. But feel free to be the self-flagellating type if that is what you must do.

As I've posted before natural forcings are currently mostly neutral.

Since the 1950's it's basically been all us.

 

[MongGrel]

I'm still waiting to be sitting on my little island on the west coast of FL here.

CO2 is causing any more problems with the atmosphere in general, like the ph balance of the ocean in general and plankton and mollusks and reefs to not even be able to form shells properly.

Even the massive amounts of plankton at the bottom of the food chain are struggling badly to even reproduce, and that is a lot of bio-mass.

I won't be around to worry about it I suppose.