So about that climate "Pause"......

[bshole]

Laughing my ass off. How was that land created in the first place?

For fucks sake, they built the land in the first place by dredging. That should provide a clue as to the path forward. Bunch of fucking rich pricks anyways. I hope they lose it all with NO compensation. They deserve every damn thing that comes to them. I just know these parasites will stick the taxpayer for their incomprehensible decadence... rich pricks always do.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...iami-beach/article41141856.html#storylink=cpy​

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/miami-beach/article41141856.html

Jesus this is really infuriating. Paratus is wringing his hands over the fate of the wealthiest, most decadent and selfish people in the world who deliberately and knowingly built up an entire carbon rape community on land that was previously regularly flooded. These people with their lear jets and multi-million yachts contribute more carbon to the atmosphere than 1000 ordinary humans. Why should we shell out money for these assholes when the inevitable happens?

In the immortal words of Tool:
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.

I hope and pray they are washed all away. I hope and pray our oligarchical government does not intervene on their behalves. I hope they lose every red cent they invested in that land without a penny of compensation or help.

Meanwhile a million die of starvation and nobody says a fucking thing. Priorities people, priorities.

 

[fskimospy]

Jesus this is really infuriating. Paratus is wringing his hands over the fate of the wealthiest people in the world who deliberately and knowingly built up an entire carbon rape community on land that was previously regularly flooded. These people with their lear jets and multi-million yachts contribute more carbon to the atmosphere than 1000 ordinary humans. Why should we shell out money for these assholes when the inevitable happens?

In the immortal words of Tool:
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.

I hope and pray they are washed all away. I hope and pray our oligarchical government does not intervene in their behalves. I hope they lose every red cent they invested in that land without a penny of compensation or help.

Wait I thought they wouldn't lose anything because climate change is a big lie?

 

[bshole]

Wait I thought they wouldn't lose anything because climate change is a big lie?

"Climate change is bad" is unproven IMHO. This is an instance of it being a good thing. Poetic justice for the worst humans on earth. You wanna build mansions in a flood plain, deal with the consequences.

That being said, did they build this land 100 mm above sea level? Given natural warming, this result was inevitable anyways. They just would have to dealt with it twenty years from now instead of now. Fuck 'em.

Imma sure you will be crying when the billionaires living on these manmade islands get flooded as well. Shows who you really give a fuck about. It would be nice if you could pretend to care about the poor. That was once a defining characteristic of progressives. Not so much anymore.

 

[Paratus]

Jesus this is really infuriating. Paratus is wringing his hands over the fate of the wealthiest, most decadent and selfish people in the world who deliberately and knowingly built up an entire carbon rape community on land that was previously regularly flooded. These people with their lear jets and multi-million yachts contribute more carbon to the atmosphere than 1000 ordinary humans. Why should we shell out money for these assholes when the inevitable happens?

In the immortal words of Tool:
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.

I hope and pray they are washed all away. I hope and pray our oligarchical government does not intervene on their behalves. I hope they lose every red cent they invested in that land without a penny of compensation or help.

Meanwhile a million die of starvation and nobody says a fucking thing. Priorities people, priorities.

And those "rich" people on the US Marshall Islands?

Fuck them too, right bshole?

Well maybe not them but those rich Alaskan Inuit assholes. They definitely deserve it.

Hypocrite much?

 

[Paratus]

Wait I thought they wouldn't lose anything because climate change is a big lie?

It's just some more dancing goal posts by bshole.

 

[dphantom]

more sea level rise....

Oh wait, that was a bad rainstorm last week. Wonder what it was in the Marshall Islands, maybe from a hurricane a year or two ago, maybe...??

 

[Paratus]

more sea level rise....

Oh wait, that was a bad rainstorm last week. Wonder what it was in the Marshall Islands, maybe from a hurricane a year or two ago, maybe...??

Why dphantom, what could you possibly mean by this post? Posting a picture of flooding in Louisiana?

I know you've said in the past that you are not a denier. You are simply open minded to what's happening. Yet this post seems to say one of a couple of things that are at odds with that position:

• It's not climate change because it floods due to storms
• Scientists are lying about tidal flooding because the islands flood due to storms
• It doesn't matter if the island flood a lot more often due to tidal flooding because they occasionally flood from storms.
• Or simply letting us know that sometimes it floods there due to storms.

The first two are at odds with what you've claimed in the past about your position

The third doesn't actually dispute the notion that tidal flooding of the Marshalls is confirmation of sea level rise predictions.

The fourth is, well I guess thanks for the information.
Care to help us tease out the point your were trying to make?

 

[nickqt]

And those "rich" people on the US Marshall Islands?

Fuck them too, right bshole?

Well maybe not them but those rich Alaskan Inuit assholes. They definitely deserve it.

Hypocrite much?

He's simply taking a myopic view of coastal flooding affecting the rich as "payback", while ignoring the millions of extremely poor people who live along the coastlines of the rest of the world.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Yes we have to adapt. Climate science tells us how to adapt.

If you were the Mayor of Miami Beach with 400 million to spend on sea level abatement, how high would you raise the streets and sea walls? How many GPM of pumps will you need for the next 30 years?

None. It's time to relocate to a more favorable place, not try to fight against nature. We call it Climate Change, yet act as if nothing should change in our own lives and that we shouldn't be inconvenienced.

Without climate science we will spend more on less effective adaption measures.

I've had a chance to look at about half the your links. Bob Tisdale, huh. He has a history of blowing some very basic physics. Ocean cycles like ENSO/ANSO cannot warm the planet while the ocean continues to warm without violating conservation of energy.

Already he's not showing any error bars in the IPCC models, reinterpreting them as he see fits and making misleading statements (Antartic sea ice increasing) etc. So I'm taking his blog posts with just a grain of salt.

He does have a point that models that don't model the cyclic ocean don't predict as well as ones that do:

http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/07/climate-models-that-accidentally-got-el-nino-right-also-show-warming-slowdown/



So maybe the issue here isn't our understanding of what is happening and why but exactly how good or bad our modeling can be.

So apparently you are fully aware that many of the CMIP don't provide a proper model? I don't doubt you were aware of that fact long prior to asking me 'What models?' So, why be coy? Why play dumb?

It's makes you look evasive and sneaky and I highly doubt that is the image you are trying to project in this discussion.

 

[bshole]

And those "rich" people on the US Marshall Islands?
Fuck them too, right bshole?

Well maybe not them but those rich Alaskan Inuit assholes. They definitely deserve it.

Hypocrite much?

Not sure where you are going with this. We are in a natural warming phase. Low altitude areas are doomed with or without manmade warming. You know this.

In any event, you posted natural disasters. There is NO statistically significant correlation between global warming and natural disasters. NONE WHATSOEVER.

 

[Paratus]

Not sure where you are going with this. We are in a natural warming phase. Low altitude areas are doomed with or without manmade warming. You know this.

In any event, you posted natural disasters. There is NO statistically significant correlation between global warming and natural disasters. NONE WHATSOEVER.

Climate change is causing fewer but stronger storms.
https://weather.com/science/environment/news/climate-change-study-changing-intensity-number-hurricanes

And I posted tidal flooding which is increasing all along the coasts

Finally the data doesn't support your hypothesis that this is natural warming. Not sure why you would think it is.

http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

If the data supported what you are saying then I would be right there with you. It does not.

 

[bshole]

Climate change is causing fewer but stronger storms.
https://weather.com/science/environment/news/climate-change-study-changing-intensity-number-hurricanes

And I posted tidal flooding which is increasing all along the coasts

Finally the data doesn't support your hypothesis that this is natural warming. Not sure why you would think it is.

http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

If the data supported what you are saying then I would be right there with you. It does not.

?? Serious. You were unaware of the warming trend of the 19th century?

 

[MongGrel]

NM.

Some people I'm not bothering to respond to these days.

 

[Paratus]

?? Serious. You were unaware of the warming trend of the 19th century?

Yup which is why it's easy to tell the current warming is not natural.

As the Earth moved out of ice ages over the past million years, the global temperature rose a total of 4 to 7 degrees Celsius over about 5,000 years. In the past century alone, the temperature has climbed 0.7 degrees Celsius, roughly ten times faster than the average rate of ice-age-recovery warming.


Models predict that Earth will warm between 2 and 6 degrees Celsius in the next century. When global warming has happened at various times in the past two million years, it has taken the planet about 5,000 years to warm 5 degrees. The predicted rate of warming for the next century is at least 20 times faster. This rate of change is extremely unusual.

Feel free to post some data showing which natural forcing is warming the climate 10-20 times faster than average. Don't forget to show how CO2's contribution is all natural too.

I'll help you get started:

Here's solar output.

 

[zinfamous]

"Climate change is bad" is unproven IMHO. This is an instance of it being a good thing. Poetic justice for the worst humans on earth. You wanna build mansions in a flood plain, deal with the consequences.

That being said, did they build this land 100 mm above sea level? Given natural warming, this result was inevitable anyways. They just would have to dealt with it twenty years from now instead of now. Fuck 'em.

Imma sure you will be crying when the billionaires living on these manmade islands get flooded as well. Shows who you really give a fuck about. It would be nice if you could pretend to care about the poor. That was once a defining characteristic of progressives. Not so much anymore.

Just remind yourself that you're the guy arguing for temperature and CO2 levels conducive to dinosaurs and gigantic spiders.

You're the poster boy for irrational and thoughtless arguments defending duplicitous, industry-produced reports designed to protect meaningless profit margins.

 

[Subyman]

bshole just needs to hold off until around June when the ICCC comes out with their latest climate denial talking points for the year. Should last him a few months.

 

[Paratus]

None. It's time to relocate to a more favorable place, not try to fight against nature. We call it Climate Change, yet act as if nothing should change in our own lives and that we shouldn't be inconvenienced.


So apparently you are fully aware that many of the CMIP don't provide a proper model? I don't doubt you were aware of that fact long prior to asking me 'What models?' So, why be coy? Why play dumb?

It's makes you look evasive and sneaky and I highly doubt that is the image you are trying to project in this discussion.

I've said the models are based on settled science and that they are accurate enough to base policy on. I've also provided you evidence that they can accurately predict the so called pause in the troposphere. I figure open minded folks can decide for themselves whether I'm prevaricating or not.

Models are tools to verify hypotheses and make predictions. You saying, "the model is wrong", is the same as you saying, "the hammer is wrong". Is it the wrong tool? Does it not function as a hammer? Is it a sledge hammer when you need a ball-peen hammer?

Until you specified why you thought it was wrong I didn't know what you were referring to.

So it seems you take issue with the short term predictions made by the CMIP.

I have a few comments

1) Why does it matter if the short term predictions are accurate? The models long term will tend to reach the same steady-state which is what the predictions are based on

2) The CMIP can accurately predict short term variation as I've already linked to.

3) The actual predictions (.pdf) made by the people who understand the models are all being confirmed by observations (increasing surface temperatures, increasing sea level, decreasing ice, as noted above)

4) Finally, there is no other scientific theory that matches the observations. Every single "climate skeptic" has failed to provide an alternative that passes the scientific method. So much like creationism their fundamental claim can be ignored.

 

[Victorian Gray]

more sea level rise....



Oh wait, that was a bad rainstorm last week. Wonder what it was in the Marshall Islands, maybe from a hurricane a year or two ago, maybe...??

The Marshall Islands Are Disappearing

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/12/02/world/The-Marshall-Islands-Are-Disappearing.html?_r=0

 

[OverVolt]

..

 

[OverVolt]

Whoop whoop

http://www.investors.com/politics/capital-hill/is-it-time-for-climate-scientists-to-eat-radishes/

In the long term I am freakishly good at picking the right horse so to speak

I actually really bought into climate change around 2001 I just think by 2016 with how inconsistent their predictions have been I don't see how anyone can actually still be so alarmed over the climate.

The environment is a different issue though.

 

[Paratus]

Whoop whoop

http://www.investors.com/politics/capital-hill/is-it-time-for-climate-scientists-to-eat-radishes/

In the long term I am freakishly good at picking the right horse so to speak

I actually really bought into climate change around 2001 I just think by 2016 with how inconsistent their predictions have been I don't see how anyone can actually still be so alarmed over the climate.

The environment is a different issue though.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Looks like a fun game.

 

[chucky2]

Have the Believers started chaining themselves to airplane tires yet, or are they still being hypocrites?

 

[Jaskalas]

Paratus, while all the other pieces are important and compelling for selling the narrative, just start with GISS. Surface temps stand without contest. If opponents raise the specter of Satellite you shoot them down with the fact that they measure different things and we live on the surface, not the upper atmosphere.

GISS is not being scientifically challenged is it? No. So it stands as is. That massive, continuing, surge of warmer temps is the record we live by. End of story. If they want to raise their concerns to a scientific level and attempt to take down GISS then be our guest... but until then all they're got is slinging mud.

Gentlemen, if you cannot depose GISS then you've got nothing.

 

[JSt0rm]

We need to be honest and realize people dont care about whats going to happen in 50-100 years. They wont be alive. They care about themselves and what they got now.