So 40% of the US believes God created us as is within past 10,000 years?

[William Gaatjes]

Yes it did....and therein lies the rub.

Do not take it out of proportion or context please. A glacial period ended around 10.000 - 15000 years ago.

I looked it up and surprise :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glacial_period

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene

The Holocene is a geological epoch which began approximately 12,000 years ago[1] (10 000 14C years ago). According to traditional geological thinking, the Holocene continues to the present. The Holocene is part of the Quaternary period. Its name comes from the Greek words ὅλος (holos, whole or entire) and καινός (kainos, new), meaning "entirely recent". It has been identified with the current warm period, known as MIS 1, and can be considered an interglacial in the current ice age.

Human civilization, in its most widely used definition, dates entirely within the Holocene. The word anthropocene is sometimes used to describe the time period from when humans have had a significant impact on the Earth's climate and ecosystems to the present.

I do not blindly believe in wikipedia, but it is fun to read what i already suspected. ^_^
But they should have written :

Current human civilization, in its most widely used definition, dates entirely within the Holocene.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Do not take it out of proportion or context please. A glacial period ended around 10.000 - 15000 years ago.

I looked it up and surprise :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glacial_period

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene



I do not blindly believe in wikipedia, but it is fun to read what i already suspected. ^_^
But they should have written :

Current human civilization, in its most widely used definition, dates entirely within the Holocene.

Context? I'm agreeing with you....mankind fundamentally changed in the last 10k to 15k years.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Context? I'm agreeing with you....mankind fundamentally changed in the last 10k to 15k years.

Ah, in that case, i sincerely apologize. ^_^
I was afraid you where going to come up with a biblical creation story. Sorry.


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With lots of ice there is not much gardens of eden. But then the entire earth becomes one big garden because the ice is withdrawing. The end of the glacial period. Lot's of space means less irritation among people no ?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Ah, in that case, i sincerely apologize. ^_^
I was afraid you where going to come up with a biblical creation story. Sorry.


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With lots of ice there is not much gardens of eden. But then the entire earth becomes one big garden because the ice is withdrawing. The end of the glacial period. Lot's of space means less irritation among people no ?

The bible's creation story is clearly allegory...no?

 

[William Gaatjes]

The bible's creation story is clearly allegory...no?

Well, it was a joke. :biggrin:

For as far as i have read, there was no snowball earth during the last glacial period. Although the amount of living space probably did increase, it was not by that much i think. I do think that during ancient times , the deserts in the middle east and Africa where actually pretty green. I would not be surprised if Egypt was a whole lot greener 5000 years ago. There is a lot of archaeological evidence that there was a lot of water and rain present. The way the sphinx for example is eroded. And some historical evidence can always be found in religion as individual subjects. Also in the bible. It is how to find the true context in history and not the intention of the writer of religious texts.

 

[Nemesis 1]

According to some, it is all a copy of a copy. It seemed to have started with the oldest new civilization around 8000 to 10.000 BCE. Ninhursag seemed to have changed from the woman who teached people how to farm into isis and then into lilith( egyptian - jewish struggle) . While this woman had done nothing wrong. But it was opposing faiths. lilith also bears some resemblance with hindu gods. And religions have a tendency to clash with one and other. Probably just coincidence.^_^

For as far as we can tell, humanity has been around all over the planet for at least 1.000.000 years. But between 10.000 and 15000 years ago something happened. The ice age ended. And the cradle of civilization started in the middle east. Probably because it got there warmer first and turned into fields of plants and trees and accompanying life first, i do not know for sure. This cradle extended to parts of the earth we all agree to as very hot in current times. Can be easily 45 to 50 degrees celcius.

Another example :
There have been found artifacts from west european soil that dates to :
40.000 BCE. From the Aurignacian culture



Back then, women with huge tits where admired too by at least 1 sculpturer ^_^ :
The venus of Hohle Fels is dated to be between 35000 BCE and 40.000BCE.

The famous lion man or woman from around the same location (around 32000 BCE) :

A lot of reasons why i do not read religious texts as truth.

Science is the key.
And in this case it helps with Archeology.

LOL . The The venus of Hohle Fels is what you would call a fertility godess. Notice she is with child . also of note is the size of her head a common thing back then . Hence the demonization of lilith

The lion god looks like something from stargate lol. Semerian. Science is the key if and only if we correctly understand their writting or drawings in many cases. Than its also important to understand lying or story telling was not a practice of early man . Lieing it seems was learned later. A mans word bound him . Lies got you killed . Whats important to note is that these peoples were slaves not freemen. That why the Adam and eve stort is relavent . As adam was a freeman. If we move down the generations from adam to enoch . I go to enoch because he invented the written word inso far as mankind is concerned . But the book of enoch which is a written record of enochs life and dealing with what seems to be aliens . But he referrs to them as watchers. and there commander and chief as God . Read the book of enoch and its easy to see how the jews took a record of a mans life and his relationship with these beings and turned it into religious beliefs . Again Stargate seems to have been concieved because of the writtings of enoch. Unless you read enoch its impossiable to connect the dots.

In this game and it is a game there are rules in the end man must know the whole truth the deception is how were told this truth, The truth wrapped in lies and lies wrapped in truth . The odds go against the Good guys in this deception . As only the 2 witness are allowed to use this deception on the good guys team . In the end hubris will fall.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

But the book of enoch which is a written record of enochs life and dealing with what seems to be aliens . But he referrs to them as watchers. and there commander and chief as God . Read the book of enoch and its easy to see how the jews took a record of a mans life and his relationship with these beings and turned it into religious beliefs.

Which Book of Enoch are you referring to...1,2,3, or all?

 

[William Gaatjes]

LOL . The The venus of Hohle Fels is what you would call a fertility godess. Notice she is with child . also of note is the size of her head a common thing back then . Hence the demonization of lilith

The lion god looks like something from stargate lol. Semerian. Science is the key if and only if we correctly understand their writting or drawings in many cases. Than its also important to understand lying or story telling was not a practice of early man . Lieing it seems was learned later. A mans word bound him . Lies got you killed . Whats important to note is that these peoples were slaves not freemen. That why the Adam and eve stort is relavent . As adam was a freeman. If we move down the generations from adam to enoch . I go to enoch because he invented the written word inso far as mankind is concerned . But the book of enoch which is a written record of enochs life and dealing with what seems to be aliens . But he referrs to them as watchers. and there commander and chief as God . Read the book of enoch and its easy to see how the jews took a record of a mans life and his relationship with these beings and turned it into religious beliefs . Again Stargate seems to have been concieved because of the writtings of enoch. Unless you read enoch its impossiable to connect the dots.

In this game and it is a game there are rules in the end man must know the whole truth the deception is how were told this truth, The truth wrapped in lies and lies wrapped in truth . The odds go against the Good guys in this deception . As only the 2 witness are allowed to use this deception on the good guys team . In the end hubris will fall.

To make one funny remark, according to some there has been mentioned by now lost cultures spoke of cat people.
My opinion on this has always been :
Imagine you have never seen a person from Scandinavia. Everybody you know has curled short black hair or black hair and black or brown eyes and has a tan.
You have never seen people with light colored blue or green eyes and long blond or red straight hair and long blond or red facial hair and a white tan. And then comes along someone similar as a viking. It does not take much imagination to call a viking a cat man when you look from the right perspective.
IIRC in old statues in south america, carvings of men with Scandinavian features have been found.

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It was the Mayans or the Aztecs but i am not sure.

The caral pyramids in peru :
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d..._aKKpKB-AaxzeDWBg&q=caral&hl=en&view=3&emb=1#


Search for Tiahuanaco if you are interested.


EDIT:

Woops, should have clearly mentioned i was just talking about the bearded white men and not about vikings. Now it looks like i talk about vikings while is should just have mentioned west european to north european people.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Take a look at this picture. Many people believe that this was an alien device or a satellite. Not really. In my opinion this painting has something to do with the then new view of the earth no longer been seen as the center of everything or what is called a geocentric universe.
This painting was created by Bonaventura Salimbeni in the 16th century.
Painted after Nicolaus Copernicus pushed the idea of a heliocentric system. Not invented by Copernicus but advanced by the way. This view originated from astronomers with the Islamic faith if i am not wrong.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Which Book of Enoch are you referring to...1,2,3, or all?

Well I would stay with whats in the ethopian Bible only. It was in the jewish and cgristian scriptures as well but was removed, After you read its easy to see why the money grabbers wanted it out.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Well I would stay with whats in the ethopian Bible only. It was in the jewish and cgristian scriptures as well but was removed, After you read its easy to see why the money grabbers wanted it out.

Yes i read once there were a lot of interesting history facts to be found in Ethiopia but got destroyed during the long lasting wars.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Take a look at this picture. Many people believe that this was an alien device or a satellite. Not really. In my opinion this painting has something to do with the then new view of the earth no longer been seen as the center of everything or what is called a geocentric universe.
This painting was created by Bonaventura Salimbeni in the 16th century.
Painted after Nicolaus Copernicus pushed the idea of a heliocentric system. Not invented by Copernicus but advanced by the way. This view originated from astronomers with the Islamic faith if i am not wrong.

Almost forgot Galileo. During the same timeframe, Galileo was also a proponent of the heliocentric system of Copernicus. And Galileo had to answer to the roman church during the sixteenth century.

 

[disappoint]

Just as we believed in Santa Clause growing up, we found out he doesn't exist except in the minds of children and the hearts of parents.

My cardiologist is gonna be fuckin pissed when he hears about this.

 

[Onceler]

Quit trying to make everything fit the bible(it was written by human hands) on the other hand you athiests quit trying to bend everything as well. I think that both are equally wrong.
I can't stand idiots who say that the bible is the Word of God (some of it may have been dictated by God but human hands(flawed ones) wrote it down. It was altered to make it more "believeable" to the ignorant people of the time who could not possibly fathom the great numbers involved.
I also can't stand atheists who try to explain everything not to include intellegence as a mechanism behind everything. To me they are equal but opposite idiots. They are just as guilty as the Christians altering scientific results to fit there particular view.
To both sides- Quit trying to recruit.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Quit trying to make everything fit the bible(it was written by human hands) on the other hand you athiests quit trying to bend everything as well. I think that both are equally wrong.
I can't stand idiots who say that the bible is the Word of God (some of it may have been dictated by God but human hands(flawed ones) wrote it down. It was altered to make it more "believeable" to the ignorant people of the time who could not possibly fathom the great numbers involved.
I also can't stand atheists who try to explain everything not to include intellegence as a mechanism behind everything. To me they are equal but opposite idiots. They are just as guilty as the Christians altering scientific results to fit there particular view.
To both sides- Quit trying to recruit.

Your statement reveals your nature. And as expected, people like me are not allowed to give a more probable explanation for historical events.

Here this thread should interest you.
Especially about the probable explanation i give.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2131699#9

 

[JSt0rm]

 

[Harvey]

So 40% of the US believes God created us as is within past 10,000 years?

That about correlates with everyone below first standard deviation in the bell shaped IQ curve. Coincidence??? :whiste:

 

[L00PY]

That about correlates with everyone below first standard deviation in the bell shaped IQ curve. Coincidence??? :whiste:

Just to be nitpicky, that's not quite right. Everything with less than 1 SD from the mean on a normal distribution would be 15.73% of the population. A quarter of a SD away from the mean would be equivalent to 40% of the cumulative distribution function of a normal IQ curve.

That's to say, if the IQ curve has a mean of 100 and SD of 16, 15.73% of the population would have an IQ less than 84. Around 40% of the population would have an IQ of less than 96.

 

[Howard]

Around 40% of the population would have an IQ of less than 96.

I know that's fairly meaningless, but that still scares me.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Christine O'Donnell got 40% of the vote, nothing, not one thing will ever surprise me again. That is just sad and sickening, and you found the 40% in the OP.

 

[shiner]

Take a look at this picture. Many people believe that this was an alien device or a satellite. Not really. In my opinion this painting has something to do with the then new view of the earth no longer been seen as the center of everything or what is called a geocentric universe.
This painting was created by Bonaventura Salimbeni in the 16th century.
Painted after Nicolaus Copernicus pushed the idea of a heliocentric system. Not invented by Copernicus but advanced by the way. This view originated from astronomers with the Islamic faith if i am not wrong.

I can't help but think that somehow The Doctor was involved with the creation of that painting.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Christine O'Donnell got 40% of the vote, nothing, not one thing will ever surprise me again. That is just sad and sickening, and you found the 40% in the OP.

And you know what's even more "sad and sickening"...Alvin Greene getting 59% of the vote in the primary and 28% of the vote in the general election.

 

[William Gaatjes]

I can't help but think that somehow The Doctor was involved with the creation of that painting.

I pressed your link.
I was not expecting that... :biggrin:

Dr Who, was very fun to see long ago.