So 40% of the US believes God created us as is within past 10,000 years?

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Throckmorton

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We need to make geology a part of the high school curriculum, including field trips so students can see stratigraphy and fossils. In a generation, creationism will disappear.
 
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BeauJangles

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We need to make geology a part of the high school curriculum, including field trips so students can see stratigraphy and fossils. In a generation, creationism will disappear.

Unfortunately, I think you underestimate how entrenched the idea is among certain groups. I have a feeling we'll be living with this "debate" for many, many generations.
 
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On the sex thing. Just because someone someware said nudity was dirty it became dirty. As for sexuall behavior not all men are animalistic. So with or without some made up morality . You come up with but morality saves the children. No it doesn't its what an individual acts upon that sets him/her apart from one another. Nudity is basic natural. To create dogma that it is unclean is to create immoral thoughts.
Oh, i am very aware of religious front men who claim to relay gods word while in reality trying to hide their own experiences with their own desires.
But morality is a good thing, keeps the heart open and the mind clean. It is all about slippery slopes. If enough people have moral, then it is an re-enforcing effect. If they do not, it is an re-enforcing effect too. It is about how much people believe in something.

You really need to talk to your grandparents about bathing . How many shared bathwater. Or how often bathing occurred. By creating sexual morality . You sow the seeds of immoral thoughts and actions . The sick will act upon those thoughts regardless of moral dogma. Witness the world as it is. Your reply here I assume holds to what you stated in the fore skin removal thread . If you replied to that topic.

I know about my grandparents not having showers and having to go to public showers where they would pay for a shower.

I have not replied to any foreskin thread. But it can be a clinical issue because the foreskin is to tight. In ancient times however, it was not always easy to clean yourself up with clean water. And you do not want sand in there either . Same reason i think many women covered themselves in the middle east. Not just because of rivaling tribes but a lot of sand.

An example :
The problem is that if there is not much water, you get organisms that start to develop when in contact with a moist environment while laying dormant in the dry sand for months or years. You do not want those kind of organisms in your hair or in your pubic region (sandstorms). Usually these organisms are parasite like organisms too.
From that angle, i can understand the covering up in the desert. And i am not even talking about the sun. And the foreskin cutting, and removal of pubic hair. But cutting womens genitals is nonsense and barbaric.

We just had the great Roman Sun worship day . What occurrs on the 25 day of dec. The SUN stops its southern flight on the 21 dec. 3 days later on the 25 dec . It begins its Southern flight back to spring. Life renewal. Its all so amusing. You need to find out what the three wise men are and the star they follow is. The Bible was created by Rome for Roman Sun worship.

I know this all to well. It was pretty standard for the romans to let people keep their customs while adding a roman twist to it. That way, everybody is happy. But the founders of the roman catholic church had seen the power Christianity has over people.

I like xmas asa holiday . But thats all. I enjoy giving to my grand children and my children many many things I like about xmas.

I don't like satan claws at all . My grandsons mom /Dad teach a very gifted child that this Satan claws is real . His dad teaches him there is NO god. Now think about that . Santa is real . God is not . One can be proven to be a lie . The other cann't . Can you explain how you get something from nothing . If so I all ears. The only thing that I have ever taught my grandson about God is that God resides in your heart and you can make him stronger in you as did the Living Word . Or you can make him disappear by closing your mind and heart to his will . Which is in fact a natural state. Sex money and drugs all created in a manner in mans mind to distract man from evolving to enlightenment.

Read about self assembly in nature. This is accompanied by forces on the atomic level. Here are some examples, i am sure i have not mentioned all forces :

Van der Waals forces.
Hydrophobic forces.
Hydrophilic forces.
Hydrogen bonding.
Electrical attraction and repulsion.
Sharing electrons to create bondings.
Creating artificial electron distributions in a folded protein.
Gravity.
Quantum noise.
external EM radiation.

The problem is to create a model to take all this into account.

But you are right that it comes from the heart, An open honest heart is all that is needed. That is your direct link towards other people and towards if you wish it to be to a devine entity.

I watched the Vikes on TV last night . The game is crooked as all hell. Even with the bad calls and missed calls which we all seen clearly the vikes Joe web pulled it off. I watched alot of late hits on eagles QT back by the vikes which is fine The holding calls that weren't called by the sebras was embarressing to watch right infront of zebras. These guys belong in prison . As ever since last years championship game the Warrior was hit late time and time again yet no flags . Last night I watched the vikes deliver late hits and no flags thrown . If those QB were payton or brady between the eagles and vikings there would have been 60 more late hit flags . Watch the dam games . We need for congress to look into the NFL . If this was the 50s or earlier that investigation would have taken place. I can't wait to see the NFL finding on favres E-mails . The Jets hire prostutes to work with nfl players than put out a story like this just befor the game LOL . Making up morals is not a good thing. If you want to believe were animals evolved thats fine. But knock off the BS that is morality if thats your belief. If were animals than let us act as such and stick morality were the sun doesn't shine. The game right now is we follow the immoral leaders. under differant rules than they have for themselves . Screw that . Lets kill the bastards and be done with it.

I think humans are not animals if we do not want to be so. The difference is the choice, the free will to act. The free will to improve yourself. It is not easy, i know that very well.

You might say i know a little about religion. But i am not a religious person as talked about here. The best formulation for someone like me is an agnost.
I accept i cannot prove or disprove. But i sure know that man made tales only lead the wrong way. I just like to see positive changes happen to people.
 
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JSt0rm

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I'm calling you out because you're acting like a bitch who thinks he's safe in his Internet cocoon. Take the time to come up with something useful to add, because as it stands, you have zero credibility and even less sway.

Why? Because I didnt take a debate about this topic seriously? Or the fact that more republicans believe this draconian bullshit and I callled them out on that? I mean really. I dont think I've ever directed a comment towards you in 10 years. You better get some thicker skin if you want to hang around here.

Damn, JSt0rm must have not been lying when he had to drop out of school at 15 to become a busboy to support his mom and his sibling.

Sadly, she must be as stupid as he is since she would have qualified for government aid.

My prediction is he's straight trollin'.

durr. Did I say anything about dropping out of school? No. Yeah she probably wasnt very smart about these things but there was a lot going on in her life at the time. I forgive her.
 

Howard

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Why? Because I didnt take a debate about this topic seriously? Or the fact that more republicans believe this draconian bullshit and I callled them out on that? I mean really. I dont think I've ever directed a comment towards you in 10 years. You better get some thicker skin if you want to hang around here.
Person A: Blah blah blah
Person B: I disagree blah blah blah
You: LOL Person A is retarded LOL!!1!
Person A: *ignores you*
Person B: *ignores you*
Me: You're retarded

That's a fairly accurate synopsis, I think, and applies to possibly 25% of the threads you post in.
 

JSt0rm

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Person A: Blah blah blah
Person B: I disagree blah blah blah
You: LOL Person A is retarded LOL!!1!
Person A: *ignores you*
Person B: *ignores you*
Me: You're retarded

That's a fairly accurate synopsis, I think, and applies to possibly 25% of the threads you post in.

REALLY?!?!?! ONLY 25% Thats pretty fuckin good if 75% of my posts have some value to even you. Imagine the other 25% could be of value to someone else.
 

Howard

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REALLY?!?!?! ONLY 25% Thats pretty fuckin good if 75% of my posts have some value to even you. Imagine the other 25% could be of value to someone else.
No, the other 75% is also stupid, just not that kind of stupid. Or maybe my figures are wrong and you really haven't contributed anything ever.
 

Moonbeam

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We should all be speechless. This woman is one of our society's 1% - although she is neither wise, not intelligent, nor gifted in any discernible way, she is and probably always will be in the top 1% of our society's earners, simply because she has become famous. Thus a society dies as it celebrates the inane and discards the profound.

More imbibed clap trap about self esteem.
 

Nemesis 1

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Oh, i am very aware of religious front men who claim to relay gods word while in reality trying to hide their own experiences with their own desires.
But morality is a good thing, keeps the heart open and the mind clean. It is all about slippery slopes. If enough people have moral, then it is an re-enforcing effect. If they do not, it is an re-enforcing effect too. It is about how much people believe in something.



I know about my grandparents not having showers and having to go to public showers where they would pay for a shower.

I have not replied to any foreskin thread. But it can be a clinical issue because the foreskin is to tight. In ancient times however, it was not always easy to clean yourself up with clean water. And you do not want sand in there either . Same reason i think many women covered themselves in the middle east. Not just because of rivaling tribes but a lot of sand.

An example :
The problem is that if there is not much water, you get organisms that start to develop when in contact with a moist environment while laying dormant in the dry sand for months or years. You do not want those kind of organisms in your hair or in your pubic region (sandstorms). Usually these organisms are parasite like organisms too.
From that angle, i can understand the covering up in the desert. And i am not even talking about the sun. And the foreskin cutting, and removal of pubic hair. But cutting womens genitals is nonsense and barbaric.



I know this all to well. It was pretty standard for the romans to let people keep their customs while adding a roman twist to it. That way, everybody is happy. But the founders of the roman catholic church had seen the power Christianity has over people.



Read about self assembly in nature. This is accompanied by forces on the atomic level. Here are some examples, i am sure i have not mentioned all forces :

Van der Waals forces.
Hydrophobic forces.
Hydrophilic forces.
Hydrogen bonding.
Electrical attraction and repulsion.
Sharing electrons to create bondings.
Creating artificial electron distributions in a folded protein.
Gravity.
Quantum noise.
external EM radiation.

The problem is to create a model to take all this into account.

But you are right that it comes from the heart, An open honest heart is all that is needed. That is your direct link towards other people and towards if you wish it to be to a devine entity.



I think humans are not animals if we do not want to be so. The difference is the choice, the free will to act. The free will to improve yourself. It is not easy, i know that very well.

You might say i know a little about religion. But i am not a religious person as talked about here. The best formulation for someone like me is an agnost.
I accept i cannot prove or disprove. But i sure know that man made tales only lead the wrong way. I just like to see positive changes happen to people.

Considering the tone of my rant . I must appluad your reply. Well thought out and kindly worded. Bless you.

You have to understand something tho. I do believe in God creator of the spark of all life. I do not consider life in anyform a virus as so many do. But I do not believe in the God of the old testament. As there seems to be 3 differant gods.
1. The God of moses . This God does his own killing. Moses only killed his own people after coming down and finding them worshipping The cow. Moses lost control of self. For Moses was the man who brought in the new age of the rams horn.

2 The god of Joshua who recieved a command from god to enter the promised land and kill and steal the land from its rightful peoples.

3. Egyptian false prophet Read mathew 24

Moses it was said was not allowed to enter the promised land because of using the I word when bringing water from the rock in the wilderness, Not true when moses killed his own people for worshipping the cow . Moses had recieved Gods commandment So he new the law. The people did not know this yet . So it was moses who sinned against God .

So many lies were told about Moses and the prophets and judges who followed.

Israel never enterred the true promised land for eden was in another land that had a powerful government. That Israel could only conquer with Gods help. But God was no more with israel and they been lieing ever since.

I have seen the Rock in the wilderness that did bring forth water . Its unmistakeable and its not a rock . 2 big to be called a rock . You can see it on Utube.

I promised you on new years eve a very eventful 2010 and you lived it and yet few believe . Now I promise you 2011 will be the year of the river of tears . But alass its to late to stop this . As 2010 wasn't enough for the world to change . Soon enough the world will believe. But its to late. Take care that you do not follow the false god. of broken promises for truth cann't be found in this pig.
 
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Nemesis 1

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Cow worshipping ? That sounds like Hinduism. And Hinduism is older i think then Christianity. But i am not sure. According to some, the old testament seems to copy old asian customs and history. That is interesting. No Cow but a Ram worshipping ?

Worshipping is wrong anyway...


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Yep, according to this wiki India dates back as to 7000 BCE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Valley_Tradition

Very interesting indeed.

http://www.ancientindia.co.uk/indus/home_set.html

Very well that you know this of Hinduism. India strongest faith. India cows are sacred animals . Before the age of the rams horn.Moses time. Was the age of the Cow. In moses cases it was a golden calf, I referred to as cow that made him sin. Thinking you might go to Hinduism.

I doubt that God ever picked a people out for himself. God did promise Adam after adam was removed from eden To restore him to eden in 5 1/2 days . God days/ That would be 5,500 years. Adam was 500 when he was removed from eden. So 6,000 years till that great a holy day that God does rest for 1,000 years. So its been almost 6,000 years . Because of rome we really don't know what year this is but Jews should know. Was God telling Adam that in 5000+ years that he would reincarnate. Seems to be the case.

Than After the Age of Moses the rams horn . Comes the Christ . The living Word whos age has symbol of the Fish . He also promised he would return. Is he teaching reincarnation He seems to be . There are many stories of the Christ studying in India and China. After all his life as we know it started at age 30. He only lived till 33. So 30 missing years . Its also said he was ceasers son by cleopatrea his name was Caesarian . Who also had to flee egypt. Christ was offered the thrown of the world in the wilderness. Only one man could claim that thrown . Ceasars legit son. It doesn't matter who Christ was As he did reject that thrown . Which was the whole point.

We have entered the new age The age of the water bearer. Enlightment !The old things passaway. The changes that bind us to selfishness and greed and all things immoral things will be destroyed.

You people should have Killed the Rothschilds of the world well you had the chance. But No we have to go threw the Year of the river tears. Because as a species we have fallen away from all things natural.
 
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Nemesis 1

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Read the First book of adam and eve said to be written by enoch father of the written word. You will see clearly that Adam was not the only man around . Adam was the first FREE Man and was given free choice . Read the book. See how many humans existed befor adam. The Jews created religion nothing more.
 

KIAman

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We need to make geology a part of the high school curriculum, including field trips so students can see stratigraphy and fossils. In a generation, creationism will disappear.

It won't work because the foundation of religion is faith. As long as there is a willingness to believe something that cannot be proven true or false, there will be creationism.
 

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First book of Adam and Eve??

Yes . I could link you to the true version but thats not my place . Seek and yea shall find. You will know the true version when you find it .

It like this peace of garbage writtings. That has No truth in it other than she was Adams first wife . All 3 major religions that pray to the same God demonizer. She was no demon . Find her true story .

Lilith, the first wife of Adam, and other legends. Connected to Akkadian (Sumerian) mythology tenuous from a translation of a verse in Isaiah, which in the King James translation was rendered screech owl (a species of owl). Other translation rendered the text night owl, might monster, night hag, and night creature. A Hebrew tradition exists in which an amulet is inscribed with the names of three angels and placed around the neck of newborn boys in order to protect them from the lilin until their circumcision. This practice lends weight to the argument that Lilith had existed in earlier Hebrew mythology and is not the creation of later medieval authors. There is also a Hebrew tradition to wait a while before a boy's hair is cut so as to attempt to trick Lilith into thinking the child is a girl so that the boy's life may be spared. Lilith's name also appears in a list of demonic creatures in the Dead Sea Scrolls (4Q510 frag. 11.4-6a; frag. 10.1f), in a passage referring to Isaiah 34:14. The word "lilith" appears several times in the Talmud. In Tractate Niddah 24b it refers to a winged human, while in Erubin 100b it refers to something with long hair.
 

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The reason for the little copy paste about lilith is to show you the semerians who were the decendents of cain. Enoch also was a decendent of cain. I bet if ya tried real hard you can tell me what language and written word that Enoch used was. Its really easy.
 
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JSt0rm

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I cant believe out of all the threads I've posted in THIS is the thread I get called out on for not taking it seriously. lmao.
 

Howard

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I cant believe out of all the threads I've posted in THIS is the thread I get called out on for not taking it seriously. lmao.
I just happened to see you being stupid in this one, that's all. It very well could've been any thread I saw you post in.
 
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According to some, it is all a copy of a copy. It seemed to have started with the oldest new civilization around 8000 to 10.000 BCE. Ninhursag seemed to have changed from the woman who teached people how to farm into isis and then into lilith( egyptian - jewish struggle) . While this woman had done nothing wrong. But it was opposing faiths. lilith also bears some resemblance with hindu gods. And religions have a tendency to clash with one and other. Probably just coincidence.^_^

For as far as we can tell, humanity has been around all over the planet for at least 1.000.000 years. But between 10.000 and 15000 years ago something happened. The ice age ended. And the cradle of civilization started in the middle east. Probably because it got there warmer first and turned into fields of plants and trees and accompanying life first, i do not know for sure. This cradle extended to parts of the earth we all agree to as very hot in current times. Can be easily 45 to 50 degrees celcius.

Another example :
There have been found artifacts from west european soil that dates to :
40.000 BCE. From the Aurignacian culture



Back then, women with huge tits where admired too by at least 1 sculpturer ^_^ :
The venus of Hohle Fels is dated to be between 35000 BCE and 40.000BCE.

330px-Venus-of-Schelklingen.jpg


The famous lion man or woman from around the same location (around 32000 BCE) :

200px-Lion_man_photo.jpg


A lot of reasons why i do not read religious texts as truth.

Science is the key.
And in this case it helps with Archeology.
 
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